On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:19:10 +0100, Gluteus Maximus
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:07:13 +0100, John Edgar
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:52:17 +0100, Gluteus Maximus
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:31:32 +1000, "Helen" wrote:

Enjoy your posts

Why thank you. There are many who feel the same about wildlife, we
just get to see a very vocal minority of kooks who brag about killing.

- its good to see posts by people who care for animals - in
particular those creatures who are not the "warm and cuddly" kind- such as
fish, lobsters etc. They rarely get a mention; but have feelings just as
much as the cute animals.


Not to mention the incy wincy spiders and bugs. Why kill and destroy
anything when you don't need to?

Like eating meat, it's something we have all been condition to accept
without thinking, killing slugs, snails, spiders, foxes, deer. All
completely unnecessary as many of us with gardens can testify.

Better for us, the environment and wildlife.

All animals have feelings. Nothing wants to die and why should it.

We should all stand up and be counted.

I don't agree. To attribute human feeling to insensate creatures is
simplistic in the extreme.

Nothing to do with human feelings. Just feelings.

Animals do not have feelings - they react.
Simplistic is good
in this day and age.
Quite obviously
The best things in life are the simplest.

Your average spider, cockroach, fox, hen or
eland has no feeling whatsoever as to death, the environment, or
wildlife. They just are. These are human concepts.

Crap. Nothing wants to die and often tries very hard to avoid death
In the case of animals it is mere reaction to pain

Even if they were only human feelings, so what.
Animals do not have human feelings - how can they? They are not human.

If I want to eat meat, then I will.

Proud boast. No doubt pedophiles, bank robbers and other psychotic
arseholes make the same claim?
Probably. Are you comparing those who eat meat with child molestors
etc? Are you serious?


It is not a question of
conditioning. I just need a bacon butty every so often. Who
conditioned the lions to eat meat anyway?

They eat to survive

So do I, and you as well.

and their diet is based on that. You stuff your
face with meat because you're a spoilt brat, because of this animals
suffer needlessly.

You do not sound like a real vegetarian at all. You sound like a
political vegetarian. I have friends who are real vegetarians, for
generations back. They have no objection to others eating meat. They
just don't want to do it and have never done so. No-one in their
family touches meat either. But they are tolerant people. Political
vegetarians are not and hence really cannot be taken seriously I am
afraid. For them it is just a fad, with no real understanding of what
it means to be a vegetarian proper. One thing it does not mean is
forcing ignorant and miss-guided views on others.

Live and let live, and I am talking about humans here. Animals would
not understand.
John
In limine sapientiae