I'm in FL and NEW DAWN never got higher than 2 ft for me...and it was on
fortuniana root stock! BRIGADOON which was asked about elsewhere and
is NOT a climber- I just planted it this yr and so far Its leaves can't
be beat but at this point I prefer simular looking CARY GRANT for the
amount of blooms it has produced in a 6 month period. By The Way~ I've
been warned that CARY GRANT does very poorly in our FL summers so ...
we'll see!