In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In message , Nick Maclaren
writes

Anyway, in the vernacular, 'wild' includes 'naturalised'. Let's ignore
the detail that the difference between 'naturalised' and 'native' is
more a matter of religion than science, for reasons we have discussed
before.

Stace includes native, naturalised and casual species. I didn't go to
the trouble of separating out the native from the naturalised roses, so
the 20 wild species includes both native and naturalised.

Ah. That's good, and indicates that there hasn't been a spate of
respeciation recently - one can never tell!

A quick glance at a dictionary indicates that the terms wild rose,
dog rose, brier (or briar), sweetbrier (or ...), eglantine and
others all overlap. Field rose and downy rose are largely the
inventions of the NEDs I referred to, and I for one have never
heard the terms used except by people who picked them up from
such books, though burnet rose did exist before. I can witness
that dog rose is and was used for any wild rose not immediately
distinguishable from Rosa canina by a non-gardener.

Oh, and both bramble and (even more) brier have more generic
meanings, including such things as Smilax species. So a dog rose
is also a bramble :-)


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.