My SIL in Worcester considers them weeds. Things that self seed like
they do and will add to the cottage feel of the borders here are
welcome.

So why can't I get the flipping things to grow? I can't even germinate
the seeds. Do I need to give them a 'winter' and freeze them? I'm not
*overly* enamoured of them as plants, but our 2 year old should find
them interesting. She already knows which of the sunflowers she planted.
(yes, some replanting happened earlier in the year after her bedtime).

Warwick