Yes, I think it's close to terminal. Thanks for the tip. Cool growing phals
aren't very common are they?
Gary

"Al" wrote in message
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multiple greenhouses. now that's a serious illness.

Phal minus is rumored to be a cool growing species. But like you say,
that is relative. Good plant for cool spot in warm house.

"V_coerulea" wrote in message
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Thanks for the info Al. Maybe I'll try another minus soon. They are great
looking plants. I don't keep the phals and cyms in the same GH. One's
kept at 60 deg minimum and the other at 45-50 minimum. The cyms grow very
well with epis, some dendrobs, roses, mums, winter bulbs and
overwintering tubs of things like hibiscus and bougainvillea. Of course,
there are microclimates that accomodate more temps even with the HAF fans
going full blast.
Thanks again
Gary

"Al" wrote in message
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Phal minus would probably like to be on cork better than in a pot
However, cork kept moist to the point of fostering a little moss colony
around the roots. I have seen this plant drop al leaves and then
restart a crown months later. I have also seen this plant make root
kiekies inches away from the central crown. I have seen Phal lobbii do
this too. For this reason I am afraid to declare a plant dead just
because there is nothing left but a tag and a bit of fleshy root tissue
clinging to an old tree branch

It is possible for a plant to like both being mounted and lots of
moisture. I think the luedde likes being mounted better than being in a
pot, but I would not grow it as damp as a minus.

Phal Luedde... They tend to make long ever-growing spikes that form
kiekies very easily. They make shorter branching spikes from the nodes
and bloom on these in the early spring around here and then make some
more kiekies. I have one that is a great grand mother and still has all
her daughters and grand daughters, etc. attached. It is grown in an
open 8 inch wire basket...lots of air around the roots. It gets treated
to the same temps all my Phals (about 63 to 65 degree winter nights and
80 to 90 during the day in the summer. It gets watered when the bark
and visible roots start to look dry, which is 3 to 7 times a week
depending on the season.

V_coerulea, I think it would be hard to grow and bloom cymbidiums in the
same greenhouse as you grow Phals. All the cymbidiums I ever met
dropped their buds when night temps got into the lower to mid 60 and the
Phals I know drop their buds when the night temps get lower than the mid
60s. But I have not tried cymbidiums in many many years. Maybe their
attitude has improved in the ensuing decades since I first tried them.
I know there must be some warmth tolerant hybrids out there now.

"V_coerulea" wrote in message
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Pretty much standard but I don't let the temp drop on them like the
hybrids. I haven't had the nerve to try any mounted since I killed a
nice Phal minus on cork. Couldn't keep it moist enough.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
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Thanks, Gary. Pretty much standard Phal care then, aside from hanging
it sideways. I do that with some Phals now, and also have some
mounted. No crown rot, ever.....

Diana