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Phal. lueddemanniana
I bought this plant in Miami yesterday, for the princely sum of $7.50. It is
in spike, and has a keiki on one spike, which seems to be common for this species. For you Phal growers, a query. I've googled this, and looked at pictures taken by Al, but since Phal. species have had an annoying tendency to become depressed and suicidal in my care, I thought I'd ask for some advice. It appears to me that the spikes on this plant need to be left unsupported to roam on their own. Is that correct? The plant has a very healthy root system (I checked way down in the pot) and is potted up in straight spaghnum. One or two sites that I found mentioned growing lueddemanniana in a basket or mounted. Another mentions plenty of water year round, which is contrary to growing it mounted. What's the real deal? And is it a heavy feeder? Diana |
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Phal. lueddemanniana
I grow my lueddemanniana in a 8" wooden basket filled with sphagnum. I turn
the basket on it side and staple plastic gutter-guard mesh to the wood hold the sphagnum in the bottom half. I place the plant in the upper half, add sphagnum and staple another strip of gutterguard to hold the top half of the sphagnum in. A regular hanger can be used in the top 2 rings and 1 through the back top wood slat. This way the plant gets plenty of moisture and gets to hang naturally and look pretty decent. I fertilize it every week during the time it's growing. When it decides it's going to rest (usually winter) it gets sprayed with fertilizer lightly and I let the sphagnum get a little dryer. I find this method easy and sure-fire (at least for my conditions) for most Phal species. Good luck. Gary "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message . .. I bought this plant in Miami yesterday, for the princely sum of $7.50. It is in spike, and has a keiki on one spike, which seems to be common for this species. For you Phal growers, a query. I've googled this, and looked at pictures taken by Al, but since Phal. species have had an annoying tendency to become depressed and suicidal in my care, I thought I'd ask for some advice. It appears to me that the spikes on this plant need to be left unsupported to roam on their own. Is that correct? The plant has a very healthy root system (I checked way down in the pot) and is potted up in straight spaghnum. One or two sites that I found mentioned growing lueddemanniana in a basket or mounted. Another mentions plenty of water year round, which is contrary to growing it mounted. What's the real deal? And is it a heavy feeder? Diana |
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Phal. lueddemanniana
In article , gwills13
@bellsouth.net says... ~I grow my lueddemanniana in a 8" wooden basket filled with sphagnum. I turn ~the basket on it side and staple plastic gutter-guard mesh to the wood hold ~the sphagnum in the bottom half. I place the plant in the upper half, add ~sphagnum and staple another strip of gutterguard to hold the top half of the ~sphagnum in. A regular hanger can be used in the top 2 rings and 1 through ~the back top wood slat. This way the plant gets plenty of moisture and gets ~to hang naturally and look pretty decent. I fertilize it every week during ~the time it's growing. When it decides it's going to rest (usually winter) ~it gets sprayed with fertilizer lightly and I let the sphagnum get a little ~dryer. I find this method easy and sure-fire (at least for my conditions) ~for most Phal species. Good luck. Gary, this sounds good. I'd love to see a picture. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html |
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Phal. lueddemanniana
Thanks, Gary. Pretty much standard Phal care then, aside from hanging it
sideways. I do that with some Phals now, and also have some mounted. No crown rot, ever..... Diana |
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Phal. lueddemanniana
You know, I don't a a picture of this. I'll have to get one tomorrow.
Gary "Reka" wrote in message .. . In article , gwills13 @bellsouth.net says... ~I grow my lueddemanniana in a 8" wooden basket filled with sphagnum. I turn ~the basket on it side and staple plastic gutter-guard mesh to the wood hold ~the sphagnum in the bottom half. I place the plant in the upper half, add ~sphagnum and staple another strip of gutterguard to hold the top half of the ~sphagnum in. A regular hanger can be used in the top 2 rings and 1 through ~the back top wood slat. This way the plant gets plenty of moisture and gets ~to hang naturally and look pretty decent. I fertilize it every week during ~the time it's growing. When it decides it's going to rest (usually winter) ~it gets sprayed with fertilizer lightly and I let the sphagnum get a little ~dryer. I find this method easy and sure-fire (at least for my conditions) ~for most Phal species. Good luck. Gary, this sounds good. I'd love to see a picture. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html |
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Phal. lueddemanniana
Pretty much standard but I don't let the temp drop on them like the hybrids.
I haven't had the nerve to try any mounted since I killed a nice Phal minus on cork. Couldn't keep it moist enough. Gary "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Thanks, Gary. Pretty much standard Phal care then, aside from hanging it sideways. I do that with some Phals now, and also have some mounted. No crown rot, ever..... Diana |
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Phal. lueddemanniana
Yes, it seems that species Phals don't like that temp change so much. As far
as mounting, I do water them more often, but they seem to acclimatize themselves to less water after a while. Maybe they think they are living in the wild, LOL! Of course, in my collection, *the wild* often applies..... Diana "V_coerulea" wrote in message ... Pretty much standard but I don't let the temp drop on them like the hybrids. I haven't had the nerve to try any mounted since I killed a nice Phal minus on cork. Couldn't keep it moist enough. Gary "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Thanks, Gary. Pretty much standard Phal care then, aside from hanging it sideways. I do that with some Phals now, and also have some mounted. No crown rot, ever..... Diana |
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Phal minus would probably like to be on cork better than in a pot However,
cork kept moist to the point of fostering a little moss colony around the roots. I have seen this plant drop al leaves and then restart a crown months later. I have also seen this plant make root kiekies inches away from the central crown. I have seen Phal lobbii do this too. For this reason I am afraid to declare a plant dead just because there is nothing left but a tag and a bit of fleshy root tissue clinging to an old tree branch It is possible for a plant to like both being mounted and lots of moisture. I think the luedde likes being mounted better than being in a pot, but I would not grow it as damp as a minus. Phal Luedde... They tend to make long ever-growing spikes that form kiekies very easily. They make shorter branching spikes from the nodes and bloom on these in the early spring around here and then make some more kiekies. I have one that is a great grand mother and still has all her daughters and grand daughters, etc. attached. It is grown in an open 8 inch wire basket...lots of air around the roots. It gets treated to the same temps all my Phals (about 63 to 65 degree winter nights and 80 to 90 during the day in the summer. It gets watered when the bark and visible roots start to look dry, which is 3 to 7 times a week depending on the season. V_coerulea, I think it would be hard to grow and bloom cymbidiums in the same greenhouse as you grow Phals. All the cymbidiums I ever met dropped their buds when night temps got into the lower to mid 60 and the Phals I know drop their buds when the night temps get lower than the mid 60s. But I have not tried cymbidiums in many many years. Maybe their attitude has improved in the ensuing decades since I first tried them. I know there must be some warmth tolerant hybrids out there now. "V_coerulea" wrote in message ... Pretty much standard but I don't let the temp drop on them like the hybrids. I haven't had the nerve to try any mounted since I killed a nice Phal minus on cork. Couldn't keep it moist enough. Gary "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Thanks, Gary. Pretty much standard Phal care then, aside from hanging it sideways. I do that with some Phals now, and also have some mounted. No crown rot, ever..... Diana |
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Phal. lueddemanniana
(This means that TMK cyms drop buds when night temps are high, like in the
60 and Phals drop buds when night temps are low, like in the mid 60s. One group considers the mid 60s too high and the other considers it too low. I confuse even myself.) "Al" wrote in message ... All the cymbidiums I ever met dropped their buds when night temps got into the lower to mid 60 and the Phals I know drop their buds when the night temps get lower than the mid 60s. But I have not tried cymbidiums in many many years. Maybe their attitude has improved in the ensuing decades since I first tried them. I know there must be some warmth tolerant hybrids out there now. |
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Phal. lueddemanniana
Thanks for the info Al. Maybe I'll try another minus soon. They are great
looking plants. I don't keep the phals and cyms in the same GH. One's kept at 60 deg minimum and the other at 45-50 minimum. The cyms grow very well with epis, some dendrobs, roses, mums, winter bulbs and overwintering tubs of things like hibiscus and bougainvillea. Of course, there are microclimates that accomodate more temps even with the HAF fans going full blast. Thanks again Gary "Al" wrote in message ... Phal minus would probably like to be on cork better than in a pot However, cork kept moist to the point of fostering a little moss colony around the roots. I have seen this plant drop al leaves and then restart a crown months later. I have also seen this plant make root kiekies inches away from the central crown. I have seen Phal lobbii do this too. For this reason I am afraid to declare a plant dead just because there is nothing left but a tag and a bit of fleshy root tissue clinging to an old tree branch It is possible for a plant to like both being mounted and lots of moisture. I think the luedde likes being mounted better than being in a pot, but I would not grow it as damp as a minus. Phal Luedde... They tend to make long ever-growing spikes that form kiekies very easily. They make shorter branching spikes from the nodes and bloom on these in the early spring around here and then make some more kiekies. I have one that is a great grand mother and still has all her daughters and grand daughters, etc. attached. It is grown in an open 8 inch wire basket...lots of air around the roots. It gets treated to the same temps all my Phals (about 63 to 65 degree winter nights and 80 to 90 during the day in the summer. It gets watered when the bark and visible roots start to look dry, which is 3 to 7 times a week depending on the season. V_coerulea, I think it would be hard to grow and bloom cymbidiums in the same greenhouse as you grow Phals. All the cymbidiums I ever met dropped their buds when night temps got into the lower to mid 60 and the Phals I know drop their buds when the night temps get lower than the mid 60s. But I have not tried cymbidiums in many many years. Maybe their attitude has improved in the ensuing decades since I first tried them. I know there must be some warmth tolerant hybrids out there now. "V_coerulea" wrote in message ... Pretty much standard but I don't let the temp drop on them like the hybrids. I haven't had the nerve to try any mounted since I killed a nice Phal minus on cork. Couldn't keep it moist enough. Gary "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Thanks, Gary. Pretty much standard Phal care then, aside from hanging it sideways. I do that with some Phals now, and also have some mounted. No crown rot, ever..... Diana |
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Phal. lueddemanniana
multiple greenhouses. now that's a serious illness.
Phal minus is rumored to be a cool growing species. But like you say, that is relative. Good plant for cool spot in warm house. "V_coerulea" wrote in message ... Thanks for the info Al. Maybe I'll try another minus soon. They are great looking plants. I don't keep the phals and cyms in the same GH. One's kept at 60 deg minimum and the other at 45-50 minimum. The cyms grow very well with epis, some dendrobs, roses, mums, winter bulbs and overwintering tubs of things like hibiscus and bougainvillea. Of course, there are microclimates that accomodate more temps even with the HAF fans going full blast. Thanks again Gary "Al" wrote in message ... Phal minus would probably like to be on cork better than in a pot However, cork kept moist to the point of fostering a little moss colony around the roots. I have seen this plant drop al leaves and then restart a crown months later. I have also seen this plant make root kiekies inches away from the central crown. I have seen Phal lobbii do this too. For this reason I am afraid to declare a plant dead just because there is nothing left but a tag and a bit of fleshy root tissue clinging to an old tree branch It is possible for a plant to like both being mounted and lots of moisture. I think the luedde likes being mounted better than being in a pot, but I would not grow it as damp as a minus. Phal Luedde... They tend to make long ever-growing spikes that form kiekies very easily. They make shorter branching spikes from the nodes and bloom on these in the early spring around here and then make some more kiekies. I have one that is a great grand mother and still has all her daughters and grand daughters, etc. attached. It is grown in an open 8 inch wire basket...lots of air around the roots. It gets treated to the same temps all my Phals (about 63 to 65 degree winter nights and 80 to 90 during the day in the summer. It gets watered when the bark and visible roots start to look dry, which is 3 to 7 times a week depending on the season. V_coerulea, I think it would be hard to grow and bloom cymbidiums in the same greenhouse as you grow Phals. All the cymbidiums I ever met dropped their buds when night temps got into the lower to mid 60 and the Phals I know drop their buds when the night temps get lower than the mid 60s. But I have not tried cymbidiums in many many years. Maybe their attitude has improved in the ensuing decades since I first tried them. I know there must be some warmth tolerant hybrids out there now. "V_coerulea" wrote in message ... Pretty much standard but I don't let the temp drop on them like the hybrids. I haven't had the nerve to try any mounted since I killed a nice Phal minus on cork. Couldn't keep it moist enough. Gary "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Thanks, Gary. Pretty much standard Phal care then, aside from hanging it sideways. I do that with some Phals now, and also have some mounted. No crown rot, ever..... Diana |
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Phal. lueddemanniana
Yes, I think it's close to terminal. Thanks for the tip. Cool growing phals
aren't very common are they? Gary "Al" wrote in message ... multiple greenhouses. now that's a serious illness. Phal minus is rumored to be a cool growing species. But like you say, that is relative. Good plant for cool spot in warm house. "V_coerulea" wrote in message ... Thanks for the info Al. Maybe I'll try another minus soon. They are great looking plants. I don't keep the phals and cyms in the same GH. One's kept at 60 deg minimum and the other at 45-50 minimum. The cyms grow very well with epis, some dendrobs, roses, mums, winter bulbs and overwintering tubs of things like hibiscus and bougainvillea. Of course, there are microclimates that accomodate more temps even with the HAF fans going full blast. Thanks again Gary "Al" wrote in message ... Phal minus would probably like to be on cork better than in a pot However, cork kept moist to the point of fostering a little moss colony around the roots. I have seen this plant drop al leaves and then restart a crown months later. I have also seen this plant make root kiekies inches away from the central crown. I have seen Phal lobbii do this too. For this reason I am afraid to declare a plant dead just because there is nothing left but a tag and a bit of fleshy root tissue clinging to an old tree branch It is possible for a plant to like both being mounted and lots of moisture. I think the luedde likes being mounted better than being in a pot, but I would not grow it as damp as a minus. Phal Luedde... They tend to make long ever-growing spikes that form kiekies very easily. They make shorter branching spikes from the nodes and bloom on these in the early spring around here and then make some more kiekies. I have one that is a great grand mother and still has all her daughters and grand daughters, etc. attached. It is grown in an open 8 inch wire basket...lots of air around the roots. It gets treated to the same temps all my Phals (about 63 to 65 degree winter nights and 80 to 90 during the day in the summer. It gets watered when the bark and visible roots start to look dry, which is 3 to 7 times a week depending on the season. V_coerulea, I think it would be hard to grow and bloom cymbidiums in the same greenhouse as you grow Phals. All the cymbidiums I ever met dropped their buds when night temps got into the lower to mid 60 and the Phals I know drop their buds when the night temps get lower than the mid 60s. But I have not tried cymbidiums in many many years. Maybe their attitude has improved in the ensuing decades since I first tried them. I know there must be some warmth tolerant hybrids out there now. "V_coerulea" wrote in message ... Pretty much standard but I don't let the temp drop on them like the hybrids. I haven't had the nerve to try any mounted since I killed a nice Phal minus on cork. Couldn't keep it moist enough. Gary "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message .. . Thanks, Gary. Pretty much standard Phal care then, aside from hanging it sideways. I do that with some Phals now, and also have some mounted. No crown rot, ever..... Diana |
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Phal. lueddemanniana
Thanks, everyone!
Diana |
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