----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Rutledge"
Subject: [IBC] A new translation????


Hi Dale,

"Garden" can be niwa or teien or en, but "en" is usually used as a
descriptor, attached to a name (Tokai-en, Mansei-en).

Yes, this is what we mostly see. Tei-en is written as above in Roth's JOJG
magazine signature and kanji on cover. Since he is a Japanese-trained
gardener and expert I thought the combo might translate to "Gardener",
since in the context used the word "garden" alone doesn't fit. I shall look
up "niwa" but I'll probably find that it refers more to a
food-type garden? I find that many forms also seem to point me in the
"botanical garden" type explanation. I remember a bonsai teacher telling
me once that the square around the "en" symbol denoted a fenced garden? I
dunno? When a Bridgestone tire company translator and sumi artist translated
my garden name years ago she ( without asking) wrote out the "en" symbol.

The general noun
"garden," is just niwa. I'm not sure where "teien" is used, but it is
probably either dialectic or colloquial.

"Go not to the kanji books for advice, for they will say both no and yes."
-- frustrated Nihongo student.

Yep, they are mighty confusing!!!

Dale


----- Original Message -----
From: "dalecochoy"
Since we are talking about translations...
My kanji book lists "En" for garden AND "Tei" for garden. " The Journal
of
Japanese Gardening" publication is written by Roth who signs himself as
"Roth Tei-En". I asked Peter A. about this and he really couldn't
answer.
What is the difference in the two words. Commonly we see "En" as a
garden,
especially in bonsai gardens, ads, business names,etc. Is it possible
that
"Tei-en" combined means "Gardener"? but, I don't really get that from
the
book translations. Eh?
I'm losing sleep over this! :)
Regards,
Dale Cochoy,


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