Discussion on news.groups.proposals takes place after the RFD is submitted
to and accepted by the moderators at news.announce.newsgroups. There is no
reason to involve news.groups in the process unless one wishes to (which
one might if one were a masochist). Jayne

Thanks for the explanation Jayne. ~ jan
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Also ponding troll free at:
http://groups.google.com/group/The-Freshwater-Aquarium