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Old 25-01-2008, 07:37 AM posted to rec.gardens
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Interesting pod cast about renewable energy forms, especially algae
grown
on
sewerage waste converted to bio-diesel.

http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn..._fuels-048.mp3

Now, here's a real challenge. How does Cargill and ADM get Congress to
subsidize sewage scum? Will it be as successful at making people sick
as
high fructose con syrup (type 2 diabetes), hydrogenated vegetable oil
(cardiovascular disease), or, perhaps, Monsanto's organophosphates
which slow metabolism?

What's that? Do I hear some innocent saying that oil from sewage scum
won't be used for food? Uh-huh.


Why would oil from sewerage be used as food? The algae grown on sewer
ponds
could be used for bio-fuels which strikes me as a perfect win-win. We
farm
already intensive land (sewerage ponds) to produce a crop (algae) that
can
be used to create fuel AND we clean up the water. No sure of the costs
involved but it makes some sense to me. Existing bio-fuel production
involves using food to produce fuel, or food growing land to produce fuel
crops, or rainforest to grow fuel crops. This in itself creates problems,
never mind looking at the energy wasted to turn the likes of corn into
fuel,
the impacts on famers in developing countries on the harvesting of fuel
crops, the potential loss of habitat, bio-diversity, potential damage to
soils & water ways etc etc. I like the idea that every time I have a dump
I
could drive a kilometre on the by-product.

Billy

Bush & Cheney, Behind Bar


agreed. Why the hell give away $100 billion in tax credits to try and
prop
up your economy? To my mind that money would be better spent on
infrastructure investment. Spend it on fixing your roads, bridges, power
grid etc. From what I understand the US infrastructure needs a fair bit
of
attention. Not only do you get a tangible result at the end but the extra
spending will stimulate economic activity. The money going through
companies
and wage packets can be taxed and the flow on effects will help hold up
aggregate demand.

rob


Whoa Rob. You are letting facts and reason get in the way of a tidy
profit. We (the editorial "we") here in the States think "Casino
Capitalism" is only for entrepreneurs (suckers). The real game is to
fund re-election campaigns like the "Energy Summit" sponsored by the big
Dick Cheney. Participants saw a four thousand fold return on their
investments. Thinking the way you do, the US would never have gone into
Iraq or Afghanistan, and the where would our military-industrial complex
be then?


Yes, some people got very rich with the invasion. Thick as the barn door
dubya just wanted to get even on old Saddam for trying to kill his old man.
Unfortunately for the working man and women it seems like dubyas ineptitude
& thirst for revenge is coming back to hit them big time. I guess at least
amny economic melt down will be laid where it belongs, at the feet of Bush
rather than the poor sucker who has to inherit his mess. The true 'genius'
of Bush will be captured for all of history.

Just the prelude to the invasion of Iraq "required" more
ordinance than we used in both theaters during WWII. But we aren't here
to talk of the scandalous gang of miscreants who are running the US at
present or will be running it after next January.


I read in a post tonight some usary ******* who was raking in something like
$35 million US per year and drove Merrill Lynch to a multi billion dollar
loss. The prick did a runner with $250 million golden parachute whilst the
working person was left to pick up the real costs. Usary exploitative pricks
like that sum up well one of the fundamentals that is wrong with society of
late capitalism. The dollar is the end goal, rampant consumerism celebrated,
marketing flash and glitz is everything, values like community &
collectivism trampelled in the rush for get rich quick.

I'm here to say that if an edible oil can be produced from crud eating
algae that is competitive in price with standard agricultural oils, you
KNOW that it is going to end up in highly refined prepared connivence
foods in combination with the GMO corn and soybeans.


well, if my dump ends up in convenience foods that just becomes another
great reason not to buy microwave 'meals' eh. You get to have the same crap
twice eh.

rob