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"David Hare-Scott" wrote:
"len gardener" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:41:57 -0400, "J. Clarke"
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How do you make this system work for Los Angeles or Mexico City or
Bombay? If the largest city you've seen is Sydney you don't really
understand the problem.
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maybe john just maybe it is you who have no understanding of "the
problem"??
Len I agree with your sentiments that we need to change our way of thinking
but it will take more than that.
once you take the liberty to pidgeon hole what is current then you
take away any thinking outside the square.
all tall buildings have rooves?
there are balconies?
Very harsh environments for growing, with much effort you could get some
boutique crops but not enough to really matter. It would be very inefficient.
Are you not listening? This is how Cubans get fed. If you don't want to
eat, continue on with your ignorance.
most cities have large parklands?
Yes but the people need them. Sure strolling through a nice vege garden is
relaxing but what of those who want to play sport etc?
They won't feel like playing sports if they are hungry. Let's think
priorities. No one said no sports fields. We're just saying first things
first. Unlike:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006..._shut_down.php
After weeks of tension, waiting, and nightly vigils, supporters of
downtown South Central Farm in Los Angeles were awakened before dawn
yesterday by sheriff¹s deputies forcing entry into the property. (See
our prevous coverage here and here). Advocates of the farm, working with
The Annenberg Foundation and the Trust for Public Land, were able to
meet the $16 million asking price, albeit after the set deadline.
Although the asking price was eventually met, landowner Ralph Horowitz
rejected the offer and initiated the eviction. Supporters, both those
camping inside and those in the surrounding streets, staged civil
disobedience protests resulting in almost 50 arrests. Deputies in a 100
ft. fire department ladder truck cut away branches to remove and arrest
Daryl Hannah and veteran tree-sitter John Quigley from the walnut tree
they had been sitting in.
More than 250 LAPD and Sheriff¹s Dept. officers flooded the surrounding
area outfitted in riot gear and crowd-control weapons. Most arrestees
spent less than six hours in jail and received minimal punishment. After
supporters were removed from the farm by the sheriff¹s dept., Bobcat
bulldozers, hired by Horowitz, proceeded to thrash and uproot plants and
trees while flattening fences and the minimal infrastructure of the
farm, a symbolic gesture of victory by the vilified Brentwood developer.
LA Mayor Antonia Villaraigosa said he regretted the outcome and that he
had made multiple appeals to the developer to accept the farmers¹ offer
to buy. Advocates of the farm criticize the mayor and local Councilwoman
Jan Perry for not doing more to sway the outcome.
Daryl Hannah has become a recognized figurehead for the struggle to save
the farm from development, and helped propel this most recent showdown
into international view. By the time she was arrested yesterday she had
spent more than three uninterrupted weeks encamped at the farm without
returning to her Malibu home‹taking cold showers in the cornfields, and
being the subject of daily media attention, as well as posting on her
own vlog. ³I'm very confident this is the morally right thing to do, to
take a principled stand in solidarity with the farmers,² she told the AP
by cell phone before being removed from the tree yesterday. Hannah
regrouped with supporters in the evening after her release for a press
conference and an evening vigil near the now locked gates of the farm.
Hannah will appear on Larry King Live tonight to discuss the issue.
and New York Community Gardens
http://www.earthcelebrations.com/gardens/10bc_1.html
It almost makes you think that some people are born with "stupid genes".
melbourne is noted for it's culturaly diversified gardens shared by
occupants who live in medium to high rise tennaments.
Melbourne is quite low density compared to the mega cities. The Aussie 1/4
acre block is very uncommon in many places. We have no experience of what
really high density housing is like.
and back in the 40's and 50's over here what produce the market
farmers had left they took into the general market situated in the
city proper where all could access it by various public transport, now
the markets are so situated it is a hectic drive to even attempt to
get there.
And those market gardens have been swallowed up by housing developments that
can hardly be torn down now. The population is 3 times what it was then. The
institutions and organisation of 60 years ago will not serve for the next 60.
Same in California, good agricultural land used for housing tracts. Just
totally mindless.
and people lived in suburbs and business was in the city.
and in your scenerio or the current scenerio food is going to become
very very expensive to buy i the cities, and much can happen to stop
the harvest or the harvest being distributed, you may be affluent
enough right now? but very many aren't and everyone could be in their
shoes at any time.
in the US of A some of the so called fresh food can be in transit for
up to 2 weeks from what i have read at various times?
i never said it was going to be easy, but when do we start? when it is
way too late maybe?
outside the square and the comfort zone.
With peace and brightest of blessings,
I support your philosophy that major change in how we deal with the world is
essential. And backyard and inner city growing plots would certainly be a
step in the right direction. But this will never be more than a minor part of
the calories required to feed a big city.
You are just blowing this out you burro. Read about the Cuban solution
before you make such stupid comments.
Look at the people who are doing this on a small scale (ie one or a few
families). They need acres to do it. Evan if yields could be increased many
times (doubtful, especially in Oz)
Oz has the oldest and most depleted soils on the planet but it still
seems with crop rotation and green manure, the situation could be turned
around.
those acres just aren't available in or
near big cities, nor are the numbers of skilled people prepared to lovingly
tend them.
Some American you are. The American answer is supposed to be, why not?
Local can be 100 miles, an hour and a half to two hour drive. If you can
eat a plant within hours of its' harvest, you're not doing too bad.
It is this very problem of the efficiency of scale that made me ask the
question in the first place.
I guess the question is what do you consider EFFICIENT? You won't mind
if the rest of us eat while you explain.
David
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Billy
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