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Large scale permaculture
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"David Hare-Scott" wrote: "len gardener" wrote in message ... On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:41:57 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: snipped How do you make this system work for Los Angeles or Mexico City or Bombay? If the largest city you've seen is Sydney you don't really understand the problem. -- maybe john just maybe it is you who have no understanding of "the problem"?? Len I agree with your sentiments that we need to change our way of thinking but it will take more than that. once you take the liberty to pidgeon hole what is current then you take away any thinking outside the square. all tall buildings have rooves? there are balconies? Very harsh environments for growing, with much effort you could get some boutique crops but not enough to really matter. It would be very inefficient. Are you not listening? This is how Cubans get fed. If you don't want to eat, continue on with your ignorance. most cities have large parklands? Yes but the people need them. Sure strolling through a nice vege garden is relaxing but what of those who want to play sport etc? They won't feel like playing sports if they are hungry. Let's think priorities. No one said no sports fields. We're just saying first things first. Unlike: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006..._shut_down.php After weeks of tension, waiting, and nightly vigils, supporters of downtown South Central Farm in Los Angeles were awakened before dawn yesterday by sheriff¹s deputies forcing entry into the property. (See our prevous coverage here and here). Advocates of the farm, working with The Annenberg Foundation and the Trust for Public Land, were able to meet the $16 million asking price, albeit after the set deadline. Although the asking price was eventually met, landowner Ralph Horowitz rejected the offer and initiated the eviction. Supporters, both those camping inside and those in the surrounding streets, staged civil disobedience protests resulting in almost 50 arrests. Deputies in a 100 ft. fire department ladder truck cut away branches to remove and arrest Daryl Hannah and veteran tree-sitter John Quigley from the walnut tree they had been sitting in. More than 250 LAPD and Sheriff¹s Dept. officers flooded the surrounding area outfitted in riot gear and crowd-control weapons. Most arrestees spent less than six hours in jail and received minimal punishment. After supporters were removed from the farm by the sheriff¹s dept., Bobcat bulldozers, hired by Horowitz, proceeded to thrash and uproot plants and trees while flattening fences and the minimal infrastructure of the farm, a symbolic gesture of victory by the vilified Brentwood developer. LA Mayor Antonia Villaraigosa said he regretted the outcome and that he had made multiple appeals to the developer to accept the farmers¹ offer to buy. Advocates of the farm criticize the mayor and local Councilwoman Jan Perry for not doing more to sway the outcome. Daryl Hannah has become a recognized figurehead for the struggle to save the farm from development, and helped propel this most recent showdown into international view. By the time she was arrested yesterday she had spent more than three uninterrupted weeks encamped at the farm without returning to her Malibu home‹taking cold showers in the cornfields, and being the subject of daily media attention, as well as posting on her own vlog. ³I'm very confident this is the morally right thing to do, to take a principled stand in solidarity with the farmers,² she told the AP by cell phone before being removed from the tree yesterday. Hannah regrouped with supporters in the evening after her release for a press conference and an evening vigil near the now locked gates of the farm. Hannah will appear on Larry King Live tonight to discuss the issue. and New York Community Gardens http://www.earthcelebrations.com/gardens/10bc_1.html It almost makes you think that some people are born with "stupid genes". melbourne is noted for it's culturaly diversified gardens shared by occupants who live in medium to high rise tennaments. Melbourne is quite low density compared to the mega cities. The Aussie 1/4 acre block is very uncommon in many places. We have no experience of what really high density housing is like. and back in the 40's and 50's over here what produce the market farmers had left they took into the general market situated in the city proper where all could access it by various public transport, now the markets are so situated it is a hectic drive to even attempt to get there. And those market gardens have been swallowed up by housing developments that can hardly be torn down now. The population is 3 times what it was then. The institutions and organisation of 60 years ago will not serve for the next 60. Same in California, good agricultural land used for housing tracts. Just totally mindless. and people lived in suburbs and business was in the city. and in your scenerio or the current scenerio food is going to become very very expensive to buy i the cities, and much can happen to stop the harvest or the harvest being distributed, you may be affluent enough right now? but very many aren't and everyone could be in their shoes at any time. in the US of A some of the so called fresh food can be in transit for up to 2 weeks from what i have read at various times? i never said it was going to be easy, but when do we start? when it is way too late maybe? outside the square and the comfort zone. With peace and brightest of blessings, I support your philosophy that major change in how we deal with the world is essential. And backyard and inner city growing plots would certainly be a step in the right direction. But this will never be more than a minor part of the calories required to feed a big city. You are just blowing this out you burro. Read about the Cuban solution before you make such stupid comments. Look at the people who are doing this on a small scale (ie one or a few families). They need acres to do it. Evan if yields could be increased many times (doubtful, especially in Oz) Oz has the oldest and most depleted soils on the planet but it still seems with crop rotation and green manure, the situation could be turned around. those acres just aren't available in or near big cities, nor are the numbers of skilled people prepared to lovingly tend them. Some American you are. The American answer is supposed to be, why not? Local can be 100 miles, an hour and a half to two hour drive. If you can eat a plant within hours of its' harvest, you're not doing too bad. It is this very problem of the efficiency of scale that made me ask the question in the first place. I guess the question is what do you consider EFFICIENT? You won't mind if the rest of us eat while you explain. David -- Billy Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/ |
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