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On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 20:53:43 GMT, (Shiva) wrote:

On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:42:55 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:43:45 GMT, in rec.gardens.roses you wrote:

On 6 Apr 2003 14:51:55 GMT, (lms) wrote:

I've seen some talk about this rose. Lest you ever put any other red gd
rose on a pedestal...
you'd best think again about that pedestal.
I've also heard talk of eating roses, you know, around here? Eat this
one.
heheh

http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/8x6mrl03.jpg

That is not remotely pretty. You need to learn that bigger is not
always better.

shock and awe. an army of one. be all you can be.



P. S. Bite me, chicken man.


m

http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/ros99.htm

Speaking of Mr. Lincoln, I was at Lowe's today, picking out a new
hanging pendant for my kitchen to replace the old "granny fixture"
and, what should be by the door but some nice gallon $8.97 roses. And,
lo and behold, one of them was a very nice Mr. Lincoln with two good
sized half-opened buds on it. Because I'm jonesing for some blooms,
I'm going to forgo my own advice and not disbud this plant and just
hope for the best.


For strongly-scented (citrusy)

you will definitely not flash on 7-Up or Mountain Dew. It's rose fragrance
with an fff descriptor and few people try to pigeonhole it beyond that.
White Lightnin' is citrus, Soleil d'Or--the leaf-- is citrus.
White Lightnin''s also major wimp material, one of my first 'study' roses, but
that's beyond the point. Its name matches the speed of disappearance of its
canes in winter.


blooms with long straight stems and
the most perfect long buds ever, this is a great rose. Otherwise it is
fatally flawed. The bush shape sucks, for one thing. Look at CM's
Biggus Diccus New Mexico example again, and you can see it. It is a
giant version of what EVERYBODY'S Mr. L. looks like.

so you are right and every single catalog and ten million people are wrong,
are fools. scoff. If you don't like the look of powerful and majestic rose
canes which produce crops worthy of these canes, get a floribunda.
What you see there is actually only about half the breadth of what it was
two years ago when I painfully hacked off the 12-foot sideways extensions in
all possible directions, with 10-foot laterals going straight up, their entire
lengths. I just couldn't get around it any more, the circle just got too
large, took drastic action. Felt better in some ways, not in others. I can
now walk around it with a reasonable expectation of not losing an eye.
however.

and you're very selective about your bigger is not better nonsense, why just
today I saw your reply to one of your admirers who boasts 7 inchers. believe
me, every rose suited for this area and given a good location grows just like
that one. If they're supposed to make big balls, they make big balls.
If they're supposed to make impenetrable thickets, they make impenetrable
thickets. etc. It's that simple. This is rose heaven. No predatory fungi.


Shooting canes
straight to the stars, totally naked knees. This one just has 20-foot
legs. Ugly, ugly ubly. Then there is the fact that the bloom form is
loose and icky, with a sunken center, and it blues so terribly it is
only really true red for about 15 minutes. And, NO, cutting early does
not help. They blue in the house to a sicky purply-magenta. Then there
is the fact that you get enough of these roses together and they get
that faint garbagy smell that all grocery stores used to have. Grow it
if you must--but there are better reds.

there are certainly plenty of cookie-cutter flash in the pan red hybrid teas to
be found but as you go down the comparative checklist, you'll be leaving open
boxes next to pertinent categories for real-world places, and you had better
get them while they're hot cause they'll disappear from the catalogs tomorrow
unless they're called something like Veterans Honor, that is their only hope.
That said, Royal William is just a notch down from Mr. Lincoln and has *all the
qualities a red rose should have, number one being toughness and the
willingness to actually grow.
Oklahoma, btw, has all the growing qualities of Mr. Lincoln, only what it
lacks in height it does sideways. Still have two of these too, and though
their days of True Majesty may be gone, due to my other interests, I just call
them venerable.


It was just an impulse buy and it should fill a little void pretty
nicely...

Your comments are interesting though...I'll keep them in mind as it
gets into the season...

of course you will. let young willy grow or be damned.

m