Billy wrote:
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On May 9, 8:00 pm, RK77 wrote:
Hi

Thanks for responding to my previous post. I just need some more help
as I'm amateur gardener.

I've got plenty of weeds on bare soil, no lawn at the moment. Soil is
okay at the moment but pretty uneven and I've to put 15cm of topsoil to
make it level.

I've tried to remove them by digging up but sometimes their roots are
too deep and they just break up. Will it be a problem if I leave those
broken roots or I've to take them out whatever happens. I most case I
really have to dig deep to get to them.

Once all the weeds are removed and site is cleared I'll be putting 15cm
of topsoil on top of existing soil. Will that help OR the weeds will
still penetrate from there as well.

I'll put ready made turf on top of that once leveled and free from
weed.

Also I was thinking of getting the rotovator if it makes life easier as
there are plenty of weeds and digging is taking decent time.
Please let me know if that will be helpful so that I can rent one out
or should I just use hand tools.

Thanks in advance for all the help.

--
RK77
like the guy says, lay newspaper down then topsoil. that works very
well.

or, you can use roundup on the weeds; that seems to kill them off but
doesn't kill future grass. might take a few sprays though, from my
experience. at least, some weeds seem to die right away, some don't
and i decided to spray them again.

either way, like the other guy says, there's going to be weed seeds
waiting in the new turf, as well as blowing in. but..... once you get
a nice thick healthy lawn, that tends to prevent new weeds from
sprouting, or thriving once they sprout.
That's a great way to learn about biotoxins. Just ask guys what they
think. Too bad you couldn't have a couple of beers while your at it. But
before you let the kids, or the grandkids run out and play on your
chemical lawn you may want to read some of the following.

http://www.naturalnews.com/023254.html
Monsanto: History of Contamination and Cover-up

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/DMPGR.php
ISIS Press Release 11/02/09
Death by Multiple Poisoning, Glyphosate and Roundup

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/f...monsanto200805
Monsanto¹s Harvest of Fear

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup
Health, ecological concerns and controversy
Roundup commercial formulations were never submitted to test by the
United States Environmental Protection Agency? (EPA), its main active
ingredient, glyphosate, received EPA Toxicity Class of III for oral and
inhalation exposure.[3]
Beyond the glyphosate salts content, commercial formulations of Roundup
contain surfactants, which vary in nature and concentration. As a
result, human poisoning with this herbicide is not with the main active
ingredient alone but with complex and variable mixtures. [4]

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Human and mammalian toxicity
About Roundup formulations, a 2000 review of the available literature
published in a Monsanto sponsored journal,[5] conducted by Ian C. Munro
a member of the Cantox scientific and regulatory consulting firm, which
role is defined as "protect client interests while helping our clients
achieve milestones and bring products to market"[6] concluded that
"under present and expected conditions of new use, there is no potential
for Roundup herbicide to pose a health risk to humans".[7] This review
is extensively cited by Monsanto.
On the other hand, a same year review of the toxicological data on
Roundup shows that there are at least 58 studies of the effects of
Roundup itself on a range of organisms.[8] This review concluded that
"for terrestrial uses of Roundup minimal acute and chronic risk was
predicted for potentially exposed nontarget organisms". It also
concluded that there were some risks to aquatic organisms exposed to
Roundup in shallow water. In later mammalian research, Roundup has been
found to interfere with an enzyme involved testosterone production in
mouse cell culture[9] and to interfere with an estrogen biosynthesis
enzyme in cultures of Human Placental cells.[10]
A 2008 scientific study has shown that Roundup formulations and
metabolic products cause the death of human embryonic, placental, and
umbilical cells in vitro even at low concentrations. The effects were
not proportional to the main active ingredient concentrations
(glyphosate) but dependent on the nature of the adjuvants used in the
Roundup formulation.[11]
Opponents of Roundup claim that it has been found to cause genetic
damage, citing Peluso et al.[12] The authors concluded that the damage
was "not related to the active ingredient, but to another component of
the herbicide mixture".
There is a reasonable correlation between the amount of Roundup ingested
and the likelihood of serious systemic sequelae or death. Ingestion of
85 mL of the concentrated formulation is likely to cause significant
toxicity in adults. Gastrointestinal corrosive effects, with mouth,
throat and epigastric pain and dysphagia are common. Renal and hepatic
impairment are also frequent and usually reflect reduced organ
perfusion. Respiratory distress, impaired consciousness, pulmonary
oedema, infiltration on chest x-ray, shock, arrythmias, renal failure
requiring haemodialysis, metabolic acidosis and hyperkalaemia may
supervene in severe cases. Bradycardia and ventricular arrhythmias are
often present pre-terminally. Dermal exposure to ready-to-use glyphosate
formulations can cause irritation and photo-contact dermatitis has been
reported occasionally; these effects are probably due to the
preservative Proxel (benzisothiazolin-3-one). Severe skin burns are very
rare. Inhalation is a minor route of exposure but spray mist may cause
oral or nasal discomfort, an unpleasant taste in the mouth, tingling and
throat irritation. Eye exposure may lead to mild conjunctivitis, and
superficial corneal injury is possible if irrigation is delayed or
inadequate. [4]

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False advertising
In 1996 Monsanto was accused of false and misleading advertising of
glyphosate products, prompting a law suit by the New York State attorney
general.[13]
On Fri Jan 20, 2007, Monsanto was convicted of false advertising of
Roundup for presenting Roundup as biodegradable and claiming that it
left the soil clean after use. Environmental and consumer rights
campaigners brought the case in 2001 on the basis that glyphosate,
Roundup's main ingredient, is classed as "dangerous for the environment"
and "toxic for aquatic organisms" by the European Union. Monsanto France
planned to appeal the verdict at the time. [14]

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Scientific fraud
. . .

And it goes on and on. So if you want to pollute the environment and
make a rogue chemical company rich, even when there are organic methods
that are cheaper and just as effective, there's nothing I can do to stop
you. I just wish, though, that you would explain it to your kids.

Lets review...2000+ studies say there is no problem. 58 studies say
there may be a minimal effect on certain species.

Seems Billy is proving the case to use roundup.

EJ in NJ