Yes thats true, although I dont expect to argue with people on a garden forum! I guess I will have to ask someone who has a tree locally (there arnt that many near me, I have looked!) It also needs to be in a suitable place to harvest suckers. Some peoples trees dont sucker atall and some sucker through lawn or gravel, Im not going to even try asking them to dig up there lawn or gravel! I thought if I messaged on here at least the person would know plants and be more inclined to help me! Dean