"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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Gordon Couger wrote in message
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Our budget is prepared by civil servants the generaly added on to by
politicians adding their pork barrel issues or special deals. Most of
the
core budget gets left alone. Unless some particular Item is shaved off
of
it.

I suspect in UK, party discipline is a lot stronger than in US so
individual pork barrel issues are less important. To a large extent the
MP has degenerated into being the parties man in the constituency rather
than the citizens representitive in parliament.
===================
The three house system and the fact that it take 61% and the blessing of the
majority leader of the senate to get things throug the senate has a big
effect on the way things work. There is a littll know deal that any member
of a commitiee can veto any issue befor teh commette. There are good side
and bad sides to the way things work over here.

You much more a democrocy than we do. Our govement is a Republic run by a
democratic olagacie. That is more democratic than the founder inteneded. It
was intended to be a voting population of white proper oning males. I see
nothing wrong with that if they woule make a few change to propery owning
females or enuchs. Testostorone is not a good prequsite for office. I fact
it is the poorist one I know. The idea of no tax with out repusentaton is as
vald to day as it evey has been and if liberal get their way they would vote
them selves the tresury. A law requiring every elgible voter to vote is not
a bad ideal. Political parties suck green donkey donkey d*&)(S Our finnce
methods sould put all the govermet in jail for 1 term and put a new bunc in
and see if the learnedany thing. If we want a good goverment in the USA we
have the means to fix it. Kill the SOBs and put in a better one. Historicaly
that is not usualy sucsuffual but Teito, Franko and China have done well to
date Most tripped in their owe plans.
--
Gordon

Gordon Couger
Stillwater, OK
www.couger.com/gcouger


Our budget is wild assed guess with suplemtnenal bills passed, and
money
tacked on other bills when needed. Money is freely stolen from the
social
security fund or borrowed via treasury bills if there is a problem.
There
very few agencies that can account for where the money went and those
are
small.

In times of real crisis the fed just increases the money supply. When
the
stock market tanked they lowered interest rates and turned on the
faucet

http://www.thecapitalmarkets.com/Mac...y_supplym2.htm
I wonder what inflation really is?

The ones that can account for it will at the end of the year either
have an
austerity program or a money burning spree to come in on budget. It
is far
better to go over budget than to be under budget. If you are under
budget
you didn't need the money and they take it away.

I think that this is a general rule of civil services, the extremes
might differ but not the theory, never be under budget or they will just
cut the budget next time.


Your very effective civil service would be the death of our political
way of
life. Some one might ask where the money went.

tracking the money is one thing that they are keen on and god help a UK
politician who even looks to have his hands on some that shouldn't be
his. We will destroy a politician who gets caught with a couple of
thousand pounds in brown envelopes.
Me, I would prefer it if we destroyed them for incompetance but you
cannot have everything.


The bureau of Indian affairs has been in contempt of court for some
time for
not being able to give an accounting of the monies they are supposed
to be
holding for the Indian tribes. It is a story of continued misconduct
for
centuries right up to today. One of the all to true jokes about Indian
claims is we stole this country from the fair and square. It is quite
possible that one of the presidents cabinet may go to jail for
contempt to
get this off high center. It may take that to get the government to
admit
that they don't have any records.

Our political system is supported by civil service just as yours. Some
of
ours are excellent. the USGS United States Geographical Survey the
oldest
science civil service organization over half the scientist never
retire even
though they stop paying them at 70. The still come to work every day.
A
scientist that works for government pay is really dedicated. The USDA
is a
lot the same I know people well into their 70's still working. They
know
their work is important and there are not new people to take their
place.


I don't think we have the two extremes that you mention.

The we have the damn social services that run the spectrum of
dedicated
saving lives to ruining peoples lives on a whim. People end up on a
web page
as child molester for sparking a kid harder than some social worker
thinks
they should and the offender wisely takes a misdemeanor plea rather
than
loose his life saving in a court battle.

Our agriculture civil service that interacts with the farmer has a
local
board of farmers that has a great deal to say in how things are run.
In
practice they have veto power over the employees in the offices
including
the director. The same with punishments for infractions of the rules
unless
it get to the point that really amounts to something. They would ride
the
inspector that hassled OZ over a cracked window and a piece lumber on
the
ground out of town on a rail were I live and have been. The area I
farm it
was one of the freer running places but they all were more interested
in
being sure the sprit of the law was being followed and that it is
working
than looking for cracked widows.

Our acreages are farmer reported and spot 10% spot checked.



we used to have something but the politicians and civil service
destroyed it because it didn't fit in.
You can see why they can now run tours to check out farming in South
Dakota!


--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'


Gordon