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"Stuart Naylor" wrote in message
... Wow is probably the best comment I could make about that too. Most of the literature to do with feeding worms in worm farms advises us to cut up vegetable cuttings finely and crush eggs shells etc. but I've been finding particulary with the worms in the compost bin, that I can just chuck almost anything in and the worms usually attack it immediately. Even now after only this very short time, comparing the increase in size of the worms in the compost bin to those in the worm farms has been amazing. I sometimes need to dispose of a dead cat should i ask? :-) and I would have no hesitation in adding a dead cat to my compost bin containing compost worms. It would be interesting to see how long it took to get rid of it compared to the 18 days it took to get rid of rid of the heads, feet & feathers beaks & all those chickens. thinking about it, i suspect that if a worm farm or bed is running very well, there must be a symbiotic relationship between the worms & other bacteria within; and once this is happening, decomposition happens really fast. i mean, a worm couldn't eat a chicken beak unless it was dissolving steadily already :-) your worm bin must have reached that marvellous point where it's all go. when i had a worm farm (tragedy ensued) i just never got to that point - it was always slow. then it all went bung & that was that. yours sounds excellent!! I only got into worm farms a couple of months ago as a means of getting rid of dog poo, but have since read that it wasn't such a good idea to compost dog poo anyway. The better alternative appears to be to let the local council remove dog poo each week along with the garbage. why do you say? i know there's two schools of thought on poo: one is that all poo is good (that would be me) & the other that carnivorous or omnivorous poo is bad, only vegetarian poo is good. to me, the latter idea makes no sense - but anyway, why do you say that? kylie |
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"Stuart Naylor" wrote in message
... i know there's two schools of thought on poo: one is that all poo is good (that would be me) & the other that carnivorous or omnivorous poo is bad, only vegetarian poo is good. to me, the latter idea makes no sense - but anyway, why do you say that? In just a few words :-) Cow manure is considered safe and excellent for compost or direct in the garden but most dogs receive medications periodically to rid them of parasites and the medications can also kill compost worms. So first off there is a withholding period when dog poo can't be added to the worm farm. but you can add the poo later after it's sat for a while, if you are concerned :-) also, medications have changed - this may no longer be true in all cases. (well, i know horse medications have changed - one would need to find out concerning dog medication specifically). If a worm farm is used to compost dog poo then the worm farm needs to be fed dog poo exclusively otherwise if given a choice they tend to avoid or ignore the dog poo. Using a worm farm just to compost dog poo could be considered as a waste of a worm farm. afaik, the poo-farms are very small, not full-size. my dad had one. (he let it dry out even after i said it was too dry!! gah!!!) it was probably 50cm wide by 20cm high by (i don't know) something-similar deep. When dogs are taken for a walk in the street or down the local park who knows what bugs they could pick up. Fortunately most things would be most likely to pass through with their droppings. If their droppings are dug into the ground as a means of getting rid of them then the situation could be established where dogs could in future pick up those same bugs in your own backyard. The same could apply if the dog poo was added to a compost bin or worm farm, there is no guarantee that the composting would destroy those bugs so they could possibly survive composting and eventually still finish up in your garden. i tend not to think in those terms, but rather one of creating a balance, but anyway. (one reason of many i completely gave up on teh Mad Dog Newsgroup was there were too many people there that were just insane - i doubt most of them actually wanted their dogs to just be DOGS - they considered them to be some sort of higher species who needed to be actively protected from everything on earth and it was just nuts... but sorry, i'm getting off-track.) So the local council picks up dog poo here along with my garbage. thanks for your thoughts :-). where i am at is that i would like it if people thought once, twice, three times about everything that ends up in landfill, how it came to be that way, & whether we would need to have landfill at all if we could just get ourselves together & stop treating the earth like a rubbish dump. "garbage" is a resource, in the same way that weeds are merely plants we don't like to see become so successful in our micro-managed world. if our leavings aren't a genuine resource, i ask myself what we can do about that, because we need to think about these things. :-) kylie |
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You dont have to worry. Nature has ways of disposing of the Human race
if it becomes too successful. Like in the move "war games, it starts again with a major disaster. 0tterbot wrote: "Stuart Naylor" wrote in message ... i know there's two schools of thought on poo: one is that all poo is good (that would be me) & the other that carnivorous or omnivorous poo is bad, only vegetarian poo is good. to me, the latter idea makes no sense - but anyway, why do you say that? In just a few words :-) Cow manure is considered safe and excellent for compost or direct in the garden but most dogs receive medications periodically to rid them of parasites and the medications can also kill compost worms. So first off there is a withholding period when dog poo can't be added to the worm farm. but you can add the poo later after it's sat for a while, if you are concerned :-) also, medications have changed - this may no longer be true in all cases. (well, i know horse medications have changed - one would need to find out concerning dog medication specifically). If a worm farm is used to compost dog poo then the worm farm needs to be fed dog poo exclusively otherwise if given a choice they tend to avoid or ignore the dog poo. Using a worm farm just to compost dog poo could be considered as a waste of a worm farm. afaik, the poo-farms are very small, not full-size. my dad had one. (he let it dry out even after i said it was too dry!! gah!!!) it was probably 50cm wide by 20cm high by (i don't know) something-similar deep. When dogs are taken for a walk in the street or down the local park who knows what bugs they could pick up. Fortunately most things would be most likely to pass through with their droppings. If their droppings are dug into the ground as a means of getting rid of them then the situation could be established where dogs could in future pick up those same bugs in your own backyard. The same could apply if the dog poo was added to a compost bin or worm farm, there is no guarantee that the composting would destroy those bugs so they could possibly survive composting and eventually still finish up in your garden. i tend not to think in those terms, but rather one of creating a balance, but anyway. (one reason of many i completely gave up on teh Mad Dog Newsgroup was there were too many people there that were just insane - i doubt most of them actually wanted their dogs to just be DOGS - they considered them to be some sort of higher species who needed to be actively protected from everything on earth and it was just nuts... but sorry, i'm getting off-track.) So the local council picks up dog poo here along with my garbage. thanks for your thoughts :-). where i am at is that i would like it if people thought once, twice, three times about everything that ends up in landfill, how it came to be that way, & whether we would need to have landfill at all if we could just get ourselves together & stop treating the earth like a rubbish dump. "garbage" is a resource, in the same way that weeds are merely plants we don't like to see become so successful in our micro-managed world. if our leavings aren't a genuine resource, i ask myself what we can do about that, because we need to think about these things. :-) kylie |
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"0tterbot" wrote: thanks for your thoughts :-). where i am at is that i would like it if people thought once, twice, three times about everything that ends up in landfill, how it came to be that way, & whether we would need to have landfill at all if we could just get ourselves together & stop treating the earth like a rubbish dump. "garbage" is a resource, in the same way that weeds are merely plants we don't like to see become so successful in our micro-managed world. if our leavings aren't a genuine resource, i ask myself what we can do about that, because we need to think about these things. Big article in the SMH today about the vast amounts of money being made out of recycling/using waste. -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) "Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled." Kerry Cue |
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"0tterbot" wrote in message
"Stuart Naylor" wrote in message i know there's two schools of thought on poo: one is that all poo is good (that would be me) In just a few words :-) Cow manure is considered safe and excellent for compost or direct in the garden but most dogs receive medications periodically to rid them of parasites and the medications can also kill compost worms. So first off there is a withholding period when dog poo can't be added to the worm farm. but you can add the poo later after it's sat for a while, if you are concerned :-) also, medications have changed - this may no longer be true in all cases. (well, i know horse medications have changed - one would need to find out concerning dog medication specifically). Dog dewormer has the active ingredient called fenbendazole. Compost worms are called Eisenia fetida. If you do a google or vivisimo search on these two search criteria, I'd be most interested if you can manage to find anything to worry about. I couldn't. I had no luck finding anything of a scientific nature that suggested there was any chance of the worm farm worms being killed by any of the common vermicides applied at the recommended dosage rates. The only really negative info I found related to Ivomectin and in that case, it seems that you'd need to overdose the animal (not a dog) to the point of death with Ivomectin (which isn't a dog dewormer) to have any affect on soil earthworms at all. This may interest you http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=15216554 |
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"Stuart Naylor" wrote in message
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:32:06 +1000, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "0tterbot" wrote in message "Stuart Naylor" wrote in message i know there's two schools of thought on poo: one is that all poo is good (that would be me) In just a few words :-) Cow manure is considered safe and excellent for compost or direct in the garden but most dogs receive medications periodically to rid them of parasites and the medications can also kill compost worms. So first off there is a withholding period when dog poo can't be added to the worm farm. but you can add the poo later after it's sat for a while, if you are concerned :-) also, medications have changed - this may no longer be true in all cases. (well, i know horse medications have changed - one would need to find out concerning dog medication specifically). Dog dewormer has the active ingredient called fenbendazole. Compost worms are called Eisenia fetida. If you do a google or vivisimo search on these two search criteria, I'd be most interested if you can manage to find anything to worry about. I couldn't. The medications I'm currently giving to my dogs on a monthly basis contain praziquartel Are you sure it isn't praziquantel????? That is the most common treatment for dogs in farming areas to prevent tapeworm, specifically the hydatid tapeworm. It works on most worms but not heartworm AFAIK. Are you in a farming area? and milbemycin as the active constituents to prevent heartworm and control all the other worms that usually infest dogs. Previously they had diethylcarbamazine citrate daily to prevent heartworm. The milbemycin is the heartworm treatment for dogs which return a negative test. I had no luck finding anything of a scientific nature that suggested there was any chance of the worm farm worms being killed by any of the common vermicides applied at the recommended dosage rates. The only really negative info I found related to Ivomectin and in that case, it seems that you'd need to overdose the animal (not a dog) to the point of death with Ivomectin (which isn't a dog dewormer) to have any affect on soil earthworms at all. The suppliers of worm farms and compost worms suggest a withholding period of feeding dog poo after dogs have been treated for worms. I would too if I was selling them. I did notice when I did a search that this was the recommendation but I couldn't find any scientific info to back up their advice. They might be just a bit overcautious but best to be safe than sorry especially if there is a chance of wormfarmers using it too fresh on leaf veg. I was told by a very old professional gardener, that dog shit was brilliant for fertilising citrus trees. I've never tried it as my dogs poop in the bushes (except for one of them who was town bred and prefers to do his tiny poops at the bottom of the steps. All his stuff goes straight into a bucket and then to the tip when there is a bucket full). Putting it under a citrus tree would get it out of the way and not contaminate anything else I should imagine. |
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"Stuart Naylor" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:38:00 +1000, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Stuart Naylor" wrote in message On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:32:06 +1000, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "0tterbot" wrote in message "Stuart Naylor" wrote in message So first off there is a withholding period when dog poo can't be added to the worm farm. but you can add the poo later after it's sat for a while, if you are concerned :-) also, medications have changed - this may no longer be true in all cases. (well, i know horse medications have changed - one would need to find out concerning dog medication specifically). Dog dewormer has the active ingredient called fenbendazole. Compost worms are called Eisenia fetida. If you do a google or vivisimo search on these two search criteria, I'd be most interested if you can manage to find anything to worry about. I couldn't. The medications I'm currently giving to my dogs on a monthly basis contain praziquartel Are you sure it isn't praziquantel????? That is the most common treatment for dogs in farming areas to prevent tapeworm, specifically the hydatid tapeworm. It works on most worms but not heartworm AFAIK. Are you in a farming area? The labeling on the packet is praziquantel and not praziquartel like I said previously. I'm in Melbourne's suburbia. and milbemycin as the active constituents to prevent heartworm and control all the other worms that usually infest dogs. The milbemycin is the heartworm treatment for dogs which return a negative test. The suppliers of worm farms and compost worms suggest a withholding period of feeding dog poo after dogs have been treated for worms. I would too if I was selling them. I did notice when I did a search that this was the recommendation but I couldn't find any scientific info to back up their advice. They might be just a bit overcautious but best to be safe than sorry especially if there is a chance of wormfarmers using it too fresh on leaf veg. I was told by a very old professional gardener, that dog shit was brilliant for fertilising citrus trees. I've never tried it as my dogs poop in the bushes (except for one of them who was town bred and prefers to do his tiny poops at the bottom of the steps. All his stuff goes straight into a bucket and then to the tip when there is a bucket full). My dogs poop on the back lawn but I planted a lemon tree last spring which is doing very well and the dog pees on it every time he has a leak. Putting it under a citrus tree would get it out of the way and not contaminate anything else I should imagine. I'm a great believer in recycling and composting to the extent that I seldom have anything for our council to remove in their weekly collections. I put the garbage bin out for collection every second or third week and it usually contains dog poo and little else, so I won't bother recycling dog poo. I put dog poop under my hedge, free fertiliser and I need nothing else. rob |
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