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The powers that be, who put the infrastructure in place, sold our water
utilities, stopped making dams, made water scarce and imported many more people than we could sustain, created this problem. They even stopped farmers from putting in dams by taxing them on water in dams, with the lie "it would have run into our water scheme" and therefore you must pay. We have never has this major problem before. Now according to these so called experts, we need an expensive desalination plant costing more than we would have had to pay, if they hadn't screwed up in the first place. The same is happening with our power schemes. They haven't planned or built anything to expand, which was what usually happened when the Government used to run the show. instead any profits are swallowed up by so called investors who brought the infrastructure for a song. Why do we keep selling out to organisations like this? |
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It's all about money/greed :-(
Katherine Why do we keep selling out to organisations like this? |
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We are voting the wrong people in it seems.
While I am not extremist, I would like to see the greens get their way with the Tassie pulp mill. Another corporation pretending to be Tasmanian while really an overseas business.. I know i used to deal with Gunns, an ordinary hardware and timber store in Tassie. jones wrote: It's all about money/greed :-( Katherine Why do we keep selling out to organisations like this? |
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"Jonno" wrote in message
The powers that be, who put the infrastructure in place, sold our water utilities, stopped making dams, made water scarce and imported many more people than we could sustain, created this problem. They even stopped farmers from putting in dams by taxing them on water in dams, with the lie "it would have run into our water scheme" and therefore you must pay. What State are you in Jonno, because paying for dams in not fully applicable in NSW. |
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Thats the Victorian state
They even have the hide to charge for run off these days. Tax them and they wont even know what hit them...Seems to be their policy...Besides pinching the water from the Goulbourn River, they do things like that. We have people being fined huge amounts for minor speed excesses, and call it speeding... Now I hear the Casino is cheating at cards by leaving aces out of the packs due to "human error" FarmI wrote: "Jonno" wrote in message The powers that be, who put the infrastructure in place, sold our water utilities, stopped making dams, made water scarce and imported many more people than we could sustain, created this problem. They even stopped farmers from putting in dams by taxing them on water in dams, with the lie "it would have run into our water scheme" and therefore you must pay. What State are you in Jonno, because paying for dams in not fully applicable in NSW. |
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:14:29 +1000, Jonno
wrote: The powers that be, who put the infrastructure in place, sold our water utilities, stopped making dams, made water scarce and imported many more people than we could sustain, created this problem. They even stopped farmers from putting in dams by taxing them on water in dams, with the lie "it would have run into our water scheme" and therefore you must pay. From what I have observed is that WA is the ONLY state in Australia that has planned ahead uears ago. We have desalination plants and our dams are now at 43% after the winter rains. The latest desal plant is bringing in more water than expected with excess going back into the dams. Perth is building a second desal plant and other parts of the state they have desal plants and are building others in other parts of the state. If I was the PM I'd forget about the murrey darling basin and build each state a couple of desal plants whioch are about $350 million each. Each plant in Perth caters for about 300,000 people. Perth needs 3 or 4 desal plants and then people can use as much water as they like:) We have never has this major problem before. Now according to these so called experts, we need an expensive desalination plant costing more than we would have had to pay, if they hadn't screwed up in the first place. All the other states have not planned ahead. Vic to busy upgrading the MCG to get an extra 10,000 into the ground costing over a $1billion dollars. They could have built 3 desal plants to cater for over a million people but they rather have a monument to stupidity than doing what was required in the first place. NSW is only just seen the light and their desal plant due to be finished around 2012 or so. Where they get the water from now is anyones guess. All these states stuffing up the hospital and the water system and building monuments instead of planning ahead. The same is happening with our power schemes. They haven't planned or built anything to expand, which was what usually happened when the Government used to run the show. instead any profits are swallowed up by so called investors who brought the infrastructure for a song. Why do we keep selling out to organisations like this? To pay off ALP debt:( The only other way is to raise taxes which no one likes. Its about time that there was a degree to become a politition. Too many of them have no idea at all on how to run anything. The waste that goes on really is incredable. And these corporations that have directors on multi million dollar bonuses even in the company is going down the dunny really ought to be stopped. About time it was capped at $250,000 and no more. Only give bonus shares oout if these directors turn over a bigger profit, if they turn over poor profits then they can take a pay cut like everyone else has to in the real world. |
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The thing you say that stick out is ALP debt. They spend more than they
can earn? Surely it is what all the politicians do, they have their palms greased with money? That would apply to both parties. As far as degrees is concerned, these people appear to come from legal circles, which means they know how to make thing legal, without getting caught with their fingers in the till, that means dealing with kickbacks. Somewhere there is a clause in our English background where legal people were not supposed to be part of the government for that very thing. Knowing how to subvert the laws. We see examples of it like Brian Burke, Honest John Bjelke Peterson Various Ex Victorian premiers etc... Honest politicians (there are such people!) a conflict in terms, get put on the backbench when they are found out to be honest. Look at John Anderson ex deputy prime minister. His comments on speed cameras (ABC) were not well received and he was removed shortly afterwards. Desalination plants use too much in the way of green house dependent power. The only way we can stop the temporary greenhouse gases is to use nuclear, and No one except the nuclear power station builders are too keen on the China syndrome type of scene. Chernoble and Japans latest problem spring to mind. What is powering WA's desalination plants? jh wrote: On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:14:29 +1000, Jonno wrote: The powers that be, who put the infrastructure in place, sold our water utilities, stopped making dams, made water scarce and imported many more people than we could sustain, created this problem. They even stopped farmers from putting in dams by taxing them on water in dams, with the lie "it would have run into our water scheme" and therefore you must pay. From what I have observed is that WA is the ONLY state in Australia that has planned ahead uears ago. We have desalination plants and our dams are now at 43% after the winter rains. The latest desal plant is bringing in more water than expected with excess going back into the dams. Perth is building a second desal plant and other parts of the state they have desal plants and are building others in other parts of the state. If I was the PM I'd forget about the murrey darling basin and build each state a couple of desal plants whioch are about $350 million each. Each plant in Perth caters for about 300,000 people. Perth needs 3 or 4 desal plants and then people can use as much water as they like:) We have never has this major problem before. Now according to these so called experts, we need an expensive desalination plant costing more than we would have had to pay, if they hadn't screwed up in the first place. All the other states have not planned ahead. Vic to busy upgrading the MCG to get an extra 10,000 into the ground costing over a $1billion dollars. They could have built 3 desal plants to cater for over a million people but they rather have a monument to stupidity than doing what was required in the first place. NSW is only just seen the light and their desal plant due to be finished around 2012 or so. Where they get the water from now is anyones guess. All these states stuffing up the hospital and the water system and building monuments instead of planning ahead. The same is happening with our power schemes. They haven't planned or built anything to expand, which was what usually happened when the Government used to run the show. instead any profits are swallowed up by so called investors who brought the infrastructure for a song. Why do we keep selling out to organisations like this? To pay off ALP debt:( The only other way is to raise taxes which no one likes. Its about time that there was a degree to become a politition. Too many of them have no idea at all on how to run anything. The waste that goes on really is incredable. And these corporations that have directors on multi million dollar bonuses even in the company is going down the dunny really ought to be stopped. About time it was capped at $250,000 and no more. Only give bonus shares oout if these directors turn over a bigger profit, if they turn over poor profits then they can take a pay cut like everyone else has to in the real world. |
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"Jonno" wrote in message
Somewhere there is a clause in our English background where legal people were not supposed to be part of the government for that very thing. I think you might be thinking of the Doctrine of the Separation of Powers. This has nothing to do with whether people with a legal background can be part of government. It just means that the Judicary, the Executive and the Parliament must all act independently. Knowing how to subvert the laws. We see examples of it like Brian Burke, Honest John Bjelke Peterson Various Ex Victorian premiers etc... Yeah, well, all to do with Separation of Powers. Joh never even knew the term and John Howard would know it but has been chopping away at it for years: http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=4630 |
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jh wrote:
If I was the PM I'd forget about the murrey darling basin and build each state a couple of desal plants whioch are about $350 million each. Each plant in Perth caters for about 300,000 people. 1) Little John would rather funds parties than build any infrastruture for Australia. his legacy is going to be the squandering of the good economic times that PK lined up. 2) Climate change. To power desal, you are going to need a new coal fired power station. Nukes are not going to happen in my lifetime. 3) Little Johnny's fiddle in the Murray Darling is to shaft the Murray Darling voters and win votes in marginal city areas. This is why Malcolm Turnbull is getting shafted atm; he hasn't woken up to it. Little Johnny doesn't want control of the Murray Darling,because then he would have to do something. He just wanted to say "well I tried and those nasty nasty states wouldn't let me" 4) Is this a core promise, non-core core promise, or something else? In case you've forgotten your bed mate Janet has let the cat out of the bag with her "promise them anything to get their support and then dump the idiots" quote. Now, can we get back to gardening. Please. |
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The thing you say that stick out is ALP debt. Well, a country is like a major corporation, it has to borrow to build major assets. Just like most people borrow to build a home. Some major companies also have seasonal income and they will borrow in periods of low income and repay in periods of high income. For countries,this period can be decades. As far as I'm concerned labour whilst in power lined up everything for the next decade of "liberal" prosperity. Kinda ****ed off that that surpkus income wasn't used to get started on creating major assets like ports, railways, highways, schools or even hospitals and hospices to look after the people who went through hards time earlier to give us good times now. |
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"jh" wrote in message news:470675a2.392796@news-server...
From what I have observed is that WA is the ONLY state in Australia that has planned ahead uears ago. We have desalination plants and our dams are now at 43% after the winter rains. Is that an across the State figure or just the figure for Perth? If you want to know some of the figures for the Eastern States then you can check them out here. You might find that Perths water storage is not brilliant by comparison. http://www.sca.nsw.gov.au/ Sydney is at 58% http://waterinfo.nsw.gov.au/sr/StorageSummary.html Country NSW - some storage is non existent or dire but some is OK http://www.melbournewater.com.au/con...s.asp?bhcp=1#1 Melbourne is 40% http://www.seqwater.com.au/content/s...AndMaintenance SEQ is 21% The same is happening with our power schemes. They haven't planned or built anything to expand, which was what usually happened when the Government used to run the show. instead any profits are swallowed up by so called investors who brought the infrastructure for a song. Why do we keep selling out to organisations like this? To pay off ALP debt:( The only other way is to raise taxes which no one likes. No it's not. One of the ways that we could have improved services right across the board is if the current Goverment actually decided to DO something with the huge surplus it is sitting on. And the really disturbing thing about this surplus is that most Australians are too tied to one political party to use their heads and actually think. The surplus the Government is currently sitting on came about as a direct result of all the economic reforms put in place under the governments of Hawke and Keating. There is actually no evidence that the Howard government are "good economic managers". They just keep repeating that line and Australian voters are stupid enough to believe it. Hawke and Keating and the current minerals boom should be thanked by Australians for our current economic "good fortune". I too could be a "good economic manager" if I didn't buy food or fuel or anything else. My bank account would be huge but I'd look like a concentration camp survivor, freeze in winter, go nowhere, see no-one and I'd want to slash my wrists. |
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I would prefer to stick to gardening, but they are interfering with
honest folks by their actions, even to the point of not being able to water the garden unless you have a water tank. Its sad that we are doing so well. I would like to see some of this "doing so well" as I find at 60 I am on a pension and not doing so well. Terryc wrote: Jonno wrote: The thing you say that stick out is ALP debt. Well, a country is like a major corporation, it has to borrow to build major assets. Just like most people borrow to build a home. Some major companies also have seasonal income and they will borrow in periods of low income and repay in periods of high income. For countries,this period can be decades. As far as I'm concerned labour whilst in power lined up everything for the next decade of "liberal" prosperity. If this is the period of prosperity, and we have borrowed up to the hilt, how in earth are we going to pay it back? When we have no money? Kinda ****ed off that that surpkus income wasn't used to get started on creating major assets like ports, railways, highways, schools or even hospitals and hospices to look after the people who went through hards time earlier to give us good times now. I agree old peoples homes here we come.... Er there nothing set up! What now babyboomers? Build our own? |
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I agree!
But the problem with political parties is youre either hot one term or cold the other. I wish there were some swinging polititicans...with the peoples interset in mind, not mindless selling of government assets to 'merican ans o'seas "investors" FarmI wrote: "jh" wrote in message news:470675a2.392796@news-server... From what I have observed is that WA is the ONLY state in Australia that has planned ahead uears ago. We have desalination plants and our dams are now at 43% after the winter rains. Is that an across the State figure or just the figure for Perth? If you want to know some of the figures for the Eastern States then you can check them out here. You might find that Perths water storage is not brilliant by comparison. http://www.sca.nsw.gov.au/ Sydney is at 58% http://waterinfo.nsw.gov.au/sr/StorageSummary.html Country NSW - some storage is non existent or dire but some is OK http://www.melbournewater.com.au/con...s.asp?bhcp=1#1 Melbourne is 40% http://www.seqwater.com.au/content/s...AndMaintenance SEQ is 21% The same is happening with our power schemes. They haven't planned or built anything to expand, which was what usually happened when the Government used to run the show. instead any profits are swallowed up by so called investors who brought the infrastructure for a song. Why do we keep selling out to organisations like this? To pay off ALP debt:( The only other way is to raise taxes which no one likes. No it's not. One of the ways that we could have improved services right across the board is if the current Goverment actually decided to DO something with the huge surplus it is sitting on. And the really disturbing thing about this surplus is that most Australians are too tied to one political party to use their heads and actually think. The surplus the Government is currently sitting on came about as a direct result of all the economic reforms put in place under the governments of Hawke and Keating. There is actually no evidence that the Howard government are "good economic managers". They just keep repeating that line and Australian voters are stupid enough to believe it. Hawke and Keating and the current minerals boom should be thanked by Australians for our current economic "good fortune". I too could be a "good economic manager" if I didn't buy food or fuel or anything else. My bank account would be huge but I'd look like a concentration camp survivor, freeze in winter, go nowhere, see no-one and I'd want to slash my wrists. |
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... I agree! But the problem with political parties is youre either hot one term or cold the other. I wish there were some swinging polititicans...with the peoples interset in mind, not mindless selling of government assets to 'merican ans o'seas "investors" vote green. which isn't a complete solution of course, but it helps :-) imo the greens are only a few elections away from becoming a viably large third party (which, let's face it, is precisely what we need, regardless of who the third party actually _is_). the way people currently vote is that many seem to think they "have" to vote either liberal (sic) or labor, but frankly such behaviour will only encourage them ;-) kylie |
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:43:18 +1000, Terryc
wrote: Jonno wrote: The thing you say that stick out is ALP debt. Well, a country is like a major corporation, it has to borrow to build major assets. Just like most people borrow to build a home. Some major companies also have seasonal income and they will borrow in periods of low income and repay in periods of high income. For countries,this period can be decades. As far as I'm concerned labour whilst in power lined up everything for the next decade of "liberal" prosperity. Kinda ****ed off that that surpkus income wasn't used to get started on creating major assets like ports, railways, highways, schools or even hospitals and hospices to look after the people who went through hards time earlier to give us good times now. Water, power, hospitals are the responceability of the states not the federal government. The ALP here in WA are hopeless like every other state government across Australia. The reason the libs are not in power in those states is they keep on picking opposition leaders that are even worse than what are in power in those states. Its been that way federally as well for some years. You say they ought to borrow money to pay for new things, the problem is they borrow many hundreds of times what they ought to which is why they run into recessions which are horrible things that do more damage than anything else. Keating left this country in an awful mess. Its been restored and debt paid off. With debt paid off they are not paying oput billions to the banks in interest aloan. This money can now be spent on other things. When you build your house you borrow and over 20 years you pay ot off. Only the tools in this world borrow again and again and again. Once you pay off your debts you really ought to save for your final years not continue to spend like there is no tomorrow. The states are racking in the money from the GST. They are getting more money now than they've ever had before. Some s illy governments are spending it on sports stadiums instead of spending it on infrastructure. Here in WA they are looking to build a new stadium so that an extra 15,000 people can watch the footy. I rather they build another two water desalination plants than a stadium to keep 15,000 extra people happy. Fix the water, hospitals, police, education up first before squandering it on stadiums and the like. |
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:36:08 +1000, Terryc
wrote: jh wrote: If I was the PM I'd forget about the murrey darling basin and build each state a couple of desal plants whioch are about $350 million each. Each plant in Perth caters for about 300,000 people. 1) Little John would rather funds parties than build any infrastruture for Australia. his legacy is going to be the squandering of the good economic times that PK lined up. Water is the responceability of the states as is the hospital system which is in a god awful mess. 2) Climate change. To power desal, you are going to need a new coal fired power station. Nukes are not going to happen in my lifetime. Power stations are owned by the state governemets, blame them for coal power station building. 3) Little Johnny's fiddle in the Murray Darling is to shaft the Murray Darling voters and win votes in marginal city areas. This is why Malcolm Turnbull is getting shafted atm; he hasn't woken up to it. Little Johnny doesn't want control of the Murray Darling,because then he would have to do something. He just wanted to say "well I tried and those nasty nasty states wouldn't let me" 4) Is this a core promise, non-core core promise, or something else? In case you've forgotten your bed mate Janet has let the cat out of the bag with her "promise them anything to get their support and then dump the idiots" quote. Now, can we get back to gardening. Please. You need water to have a garden. Without it you are stuffed. |
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:55:44 +1000, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given
wrote: "jh" wrote in message news:470675a2.392796@news-server... From what I have observed is that WA is the ONLY state in Australia that has planned ahead uears ago. We have desalination plants and our dams are now at 43% after the winter rains. Is that an across the State figure or just the figure for Perth? Its on the nightly 6pm news where they show the figure of Perth water. One of the dams overflowed which was criminal. They can pump that excess water to other dams but it looks good for them to show a dam over flowing:( If you want to know some of the figures for the Eastern States then you can check them out here. You might find that Perths water storage is not brilliant by comparison. http://www.sca.nsw.gov.au/ Sydney is at 58% http://waterinfo.nsw.gov.au/sr/StorageSummary.html Country NSW - some storage is non existent or dire but some is OK http://www.melbournewater.com.au/con...s.asp?bhcp=1#1 Melbourne is 40% http://www.seqwater.com.au/content/s...AndMaintenance SEQ is 21% The same is happening with our power schemes. They haven't planned or built anything to expand, which was what usually happened when the Government used to run the show. instead any profits are swallowed up by so called investors who brought the infrastructure for a song. Why do we keep selling out to organisations like this? To pay off ALP debt:( The only other way is to raise taxes which no one likes. No it's not. One of the ways that we could have improved services right across the board is if the current Goverment actually decided to DO something with the huge surplus it is sitting on. States run the power grid, water, etc... And the really disturbing thing about this surplus is that most Australians are too tied to one political party to use their heads and actually think. Pot kettle black. When are you going to understand that the federal government has nothing to do with the power, water and hospitals in each state of Australia. These are all run or sold by state governments. Both Lib and ALP when in power have had to sell off assets to pay for infrastructure. You can only save so much. Rudd is going to have more waste with too many departments which isn't going to be cheap. He's not said how he's going to pay for it all. Meanwhile the Lib state leader here is a fool and carpenter our state premier has ministers that have been caught up in the corruption scandles. The surplus the Government is currently sitting on came about as a direct result of all the economic reforms put in place under the governments of Hawke and Keating. There is actually no evidence that the Howard government You are kidding right. They left the country in a real mess. Debt levels were so high that its only now they've been paid off. are "good economic managers". They just keep repeating that line and Australian voters are stupid enough to believe it. Hawke and Keating and the current minerals boom should be thanked by Australians for our current economic "good fortune". I too could be a "good economic manager" if I didn't buy food or fuel or anything else. My bank account would be huge but I'd look like a concentration camp survivor, freeze in winter, go nowhere, see no-one and I'd want to slash my wrists. You've just lost the plot here and the debate with your rantings. Kill filed! |
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:52:52 GMT, "0tterbot" wrote:
"Jonno" wrote in message u... I agree! But the problem with political parties is youre either hot one term or cold the other. I wish there were some swinging polititicans...with the peoples interset in mind, not mindless selling of government assets to 'merican ans o'seas "investors" vote green. Vote green and you'll see druggies with injection rooms in your neighbourhood. Quite unacceptable. That party is worse than the one nation twits of Pauline Hanson. which isn't a complete solution of course, but it helps :-) imo the greens are only a few elections away from becoming a viably large third party (which, let's face it, is precisely what we need, regardless of who the third party actually _is_). Dreaming. the way people currently vote is that many seem to think they "have" to vote either liberal (sic) or labor, but frankly such behaviour will only encourage them ;-) kylie I put the greens last, makes my day. |
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cp wrote:
Water, power, hospitals are the responceability of the states not the federal government. 1) at least try to keep up with what is happening politically. Responsibilities change. You say they ought to borrow money to pay for new things, 2) I don't. It is just what they all do. Only the tools in this world borrow again and again and again. 3) So you don't believe those late night wealth creation programs then? Once you pay off your debts you really ought to save for your final years not continue to spend like there is no tomorrow. 4) Yawn, I take it you're a naive kid . The states are racking in the money from the GST. 5) Lol, you really haven't tried to educate yourself have you. If you had, you might know what the states gave up in return for getting the GST income. |
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Water is the responceability of the states as is the hospital system which is in a god awful mess. I take it that you have been out of the country. You need water to have a garden. Without it you are stuffed. I've got two water tanks. How many do you have? You can also choose plants that require little water. |
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And the really disturbing thing about this surplus is that most Australians are too tied to one political party to use their heads and actually think. Pot kettle black. I take it that reading comprehension isn't a strong point with you. When are you going to understand that the federal government has nothing to do with the power, water and hospitals in each state of Australia. Lol, you really should make an effort to stop reading your party's propaganda and connect withthe real world. You can only save so much. But you said that was what you should do for your old age. You are kidding right. They left the country in a real mess. Debt levels were so high that its only now they've been paid off. lol, you really need to learn to read and analyse for yourself. Haven't you worked it out yet. Every time the libs get into power, they have a party and cause long term economic mayhem. Then the voters put labor into power who do the hard years and turn the ship around. Hang onto your hats, we are about to go there again. My house repayments under the 17% of PK were far less that what I have to pay now. explain that one. |
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Damn the lack of water is not my fault. We shouldn't need tanks, except
to cause a revolution. They sell our utilities, and then because its a scarce resource rip us of, in the meantime looking for other ways of taxing the people. Terryc wrote: cp wrote: Water is the responceability of the states as is the hospital system which is in a god awful mess. I take it that you have been out of the country. You need water to have a garden. Without it you are stuffed. I've got two water tanks. How many do you have? You can also choose plants that require little water. |
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"Jonno" wrote in message
Its sad that we are doing so well. I would like to see some of this "doing so well" as I find at 60 I am on a pension and not doing so well. I heard Paul Clitheroe talking (rather rare for him as it fitted in as being a 'political' comment) about the Liberal's mantra of "we've never been better off". Basically he said that the rich are doing very well thank you but the people who are on fixed income/pension etc are doing it tough as they have no possibility of doing any discrestionary moves with their money. Every cent is committed to something. That certainly is the situation in the rual community I live in. I know lots of people who are doing well but also lots of people who really need a hand. |
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I agree! But the problem with political parties is youre either hot one term or cold the other. I wish there were some swinging polititicans...with the peoples interset in mind, not mindless selling of government assets to 'merican ans o'seas "investors" Yes. But neither of the major parties at the Federal Government or State Government level are now 'into' owning and running assets. I strongly believe that services were better when owned by government in the two areas which I use most, namely electricity and phone. I'm going to vote for the Greens for the Senate in this forthcoming election, but I'm not going that way for my Vote for the House of Representatives. |
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"cp" wrote in message
... vote green. Vote green and you'll see druggies with injection rooms in your neighbourhood. i rather doubt it (seeing as how i know what their policies actually are). Quite unacceptable. That party is worse than the one nation twits of Pauline Hanson. I put the greens last, makes my day. if you can only make your day once every three years, that probably explains why you're being such a crosspatch. kylie |
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I wish someone would for once tell me how to vote, so Aussies Real
aussies. even the imported aussies who love living here, could get rid of the nasty smell which comes form canberra once theyre voted in... FarmI wrote: "Jonno" wrote in message I agree! But the problem with political parties is youre either hot one term or cold the other. I wish there were some swinging polititicans...with the peoples interset in mind, not mindless selling of government assets to 'merican ans o'seas "investors" Yes. But neither of the major parties at the Federal Government or State Government level are now 'into' owning and running assets. I strongly believe that services were better when owned by government in the two areas which I use most, namely electricity and phone. I'm going to vote for the Greens for the Senate in this forthcoming election, but I'm not going that way for my Vote for the House of Representatives. |
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I wish someone would for once tell me how to vote, so Aussies Real
aussies, (even the imported aussies who love living here) could get rid of the nasty smell which comes from Canberra once they're voted in... Even Pauline gets it right occasionally...(grin!) 0tterbot wrote: "cp" wrote in message ... vote green. Vote green and you'll see druggies with injection rooms in your neighbourhood. i rather doubt it (seeing as how i know what their policies actually are). Quite unacceptable. That party is worse than the one nation twits of Pauline Hanson. I put the greens last, makes my day. if you can only make your day once every three years, that probably explains why you're being such a crosspatch. kylie |
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"Jonno" wrote in message
... I wish someone would for once tell me how to vote, ah! easy. 1: make sure you're enrolled. 2: wait for polling day. 3: go to nearest polling booth. 4: vote! there you are, no more problems!! so Aussies Real aussies, (even the imported aussies who love living here) i'm an imported aussie too. aren't you? could get rid of the nasty smell which comes from Canberra once they're voted in... Even Pauline gets it right occasionally...(grin!) for heaven's sake, of course she doesn't. she hasn't sufficient functioning braincells. (i know someone who calls people like that "crocodiles with wris****ches". happy voting!! kylie |
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:52:52 GMT, "0tterbot" wrote: "Jonno" wrote in message . au... I agree! But the problem with political parties is youre either hot one term or cold the other. I wish there were some swinging polititicans...with the peoples interset in mind, not mindless selling of government assets to 'merican ans o'seas "investors" vote green. Vote green and you'll see druggies with injection rooms in your neighbourhood. Quite unacceptable. So you'd rather they get AIDS from sharing dirty needles or die if they overdose. So caring. I'd rather be operated on by a surgeon with a Heroin addiction than one who was an Alchoholic. One is legal and does enormous physical damage whereas the other is not legal and does little physical damage if a pure supply is available. Don't bother with the facts, just the prejudices. which isn't a complete solution of course, but it helps :-) imo the greens are only a few elections away from becoming a viably large third party (which, let's face it, is precisely what we need, regardless of who the third party actually _is_). Dreaming. She's not. The Green vote is climbing at each election. It may soon be a real power in the Senate as more voters seem to be finally realising that the Senate is important. the way people currently vote is that many seem to think they "have" to vote either liberal (sic) or labor, but frankly such behaviour will only encourage them ;-) kylie I put the greens last, makes my day. From what you've written here, that doesn't surprise me. You don't seem to know anything about politics at all. |
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:55:44 +1000, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: To pay off ALP debt:( The only other way is to raise taxes which no one likes. No it's not. One of the ways that we could have improved services right across the board is if the current Goverment actually decided to DO something with the huge surplus it is sitting on. States run the power grid, water, etc... Sigh! And the really disturbing thing about this surplus is that most Australians are too tied to one political party to use their heads and actually think. Pot kettle black. When are you going to understand that the federal government has nothing to do with the power, water and hospitals in each state of Australia. These are all run or sold by state governments. Both Lib and ALP when in power have had to sell off assets to pay for infrastructure. You can only save so much. Rudd is going to have more waste with too many departments which isn't going to be cheap. He's not said how he's going to pay for it all. Meanwhile the Lib state leader here is a fool and carpenter our state premier has ministers that have been caught up in the corruption scandles. The surplus the Government is currently sitting on came about as a direct result of all the economic reforms put in place under the governments of Hawke and Keating. There is actually no evidence that the Howard government You are kidding right. No, I'm not kidding, I know what economic reforms they instituted. If you don't believe me, you might believe Gerard Henderson. He is the darling of all Right Wingers and is a stalwart of that wonderful right wing think tank, "The Syndey Institute". Even though he is right wing, even he can't bring himself to denigrate the legacy of the Hawke/Keating years. http://www.thesydneyinstitute.com.au....php?ghwcID=77 They left the country in a real mess. Nope. They activated a huge number of economic reforms that left Australia in a postion where we could have a boom (or what is supposed to be a boom. I have my doubts about that given that we can't any longer get accurate unemployment figures now that anyone who works for an hour a week is counted as being "employed". I just can't believe that anyone who works one hour a week is in any way actively or gainfully "employed" Debt levels were so high that its only now they've been paid off. "Only now"? Where have you been for the past decade? The Government has had at least 10 surpluses as far as I can recall. And the current government continued the Hawke Keating trick of selling assets to pay off the deficit. are "good economic managers". They just keep repeating that line and Australian voters are stupid enough to believe it. Hawke and Keating and the current minerals boom should be thanked by Australians for our current economic "good fortune". I too could be a "good economic manager" if I didn't buy food or fuel or anything else. My bank account would be huge but I'd look like a concentration camp survivor, freeze in winter, go nowhere, see no-one and I'd want to slash my wrists. You've just lost the plot here and the debate with your rantings. Kill filed! Obviously someone who hates to be told some facts rather than enjoy spreading myths. |
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:36:08 +1000, Terryc wrote: jh wrote: If I was the PM I'd forget about the murrey darling basin and build each state a couple of desal plants whioch are about $350 million each. Each plant in Perth caters for about 300,000 people. 1) Little John would rather funds parties than build any infrastruture for Australia. his legacy is going to be the squandering of the good economic times that PK lined up. Water is the responceability of the states as is the hospital system which is in a god awful mess. So why is John Howard trying to take over control of the Murray-Darling Basin? 2) Climate change. To power desal, you are going to need a new coal fired power station. Nukes are not going to happen in my lifetime. Power stations are owned by the state governemets, blame them for coal power station building. So why did John Howard come home form his last trip to the US and announce within a week that Australia would have 20+ Nuclear Power Staions? |
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cp wrote: Once you pay off your debts you really ought to save for your final years not continue to spend like there is no tomorrow. 4) Yawn, I take it you're a naive kid . I suspect this person is an old codger who has never voted anything but Liberal in its life and doesn't want to think about anything political. I think politics is the best spectator sport on the planet. The states are racking in the money from the GST. 5) Lol, you really haven't tried to educate yourself have you. If you had, you might know what the states gave up in return for getting the GST income. But unfortunaltey they haven't given up many of the taxes that they were supposed to in order to get the GST money. |
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Damn the lack of water is not my fault. We shouldn't need tanks, except to cause a revolution. They sell our utilities, and then because its a scarce resource rip us of, in the meantime looking for other ways of taxing the people. But I doubt whether selling utilities would make any real difference. Unless we get more rain then utilities sold or still State owned won't have more water. It's no use building dams if there is less rainfall with which to fill them. Terryc wrote: cp wrote: Water is the responceability of the states as is the hospital system which is in a god awful mess. I take it that you have been out of the country. You need water to have a garden. Without it you are stuffed. I've got two water tanks. How many do you have? You can also choose plants that require little water. |
Love the lack of water dont you?
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:09:48 +1000, Terryc
wrote: cp wrote: And the really disturbing thing about this surplus is that most Australians are too tied to one political party to use their heads and actually think. Pot kettle black. I take it that reading comprehension isn't a strong point with you. When are you going to understand that the federal government has nothing to do with the power, water and hospitals in each state of Australia. Lol, you really should make an effort to stop reading your party's propaganda and connect withthe real world. You can only save so much. But you said that was what you should do for your old age. You are kidding right. They left the country in a real mess. Debt levels were so high that its only now they've been paid off. lol, you really need to learn to read and analyse for yourself. Haven't you worked it out yet. Every time the libs get into power, they have a party and cause long term economic mayhem. Then the voters put labor into power who do the hard years and turn the ship around. Hang onto your hats, we are about to go there again. My house repayments under the 17% of PK were far less that what I have to pay now. explain that one. Easy, you are a fool and probably have huge credit card debt. You really need to get off your high horse and get out of the garden news groups. Your crap belongs in aus.politics where all the loonies live. |
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On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:07:30 +1000, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given
wrote: "cp" wrote in message On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:55:44 +1000, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: To pay off ALP debt:( The only other way is to raise taxes which no one likes. No it's not. One of the ways that we could have improved services right across the board is if the current Goverment actually decided to DO something with the huge surplus it is sitting on. States run the power grid, water, etc... Sigh! And the really disturbing thing about this surplus is that most Australians are too tied to one political party to use their heads and actually think. Pot kettle black. When are you going to understand that the federal government has nothing to do with the power, water and hospitals in each state of Australia. These are all run or sold by state governments. Both Lib and ALP when in power have had to sell off assets to pay for infrastructure. You can only save so much. Rudd is going to have more waste with too many departments which isn't going to be cheap. He's not said how he's going to pay for it all. Meanwhile the Lib state leader here is a fool and carpenter our state premier has ministers that have been caught up in the corruption scandles. The surplus the Government is currently sitting on came about as a direct result of all the economic reforms put in place under the governments of Hawke and Keating. There is actually no evidence that the Howard government You are kidding right. No, I'm not kidding, I know what economic reforms they instituted. If you don't believe me, you might believe Gerard Henderson. He is the darling of all Right Wingers and is a stalwart of that wonderful right wing think tank, "The Syndey Institute". Even though he is right wing, even he can't bring himself to denigrate the legacy of the Hawke/Keating years. http://www.thesydneyinstitute.com.au....php?ghwcID=77 They left the country in a real mess. Nope. They activated a huge number of economic reforms that left Australia in a postion where we could have a boom (or what is supposed to be a boom. I have my doubts about that given that we can't any longer get accurate unemployment figures now that anyone who works for an hour a week is counted as being "employed". I just can't believe that anyone who works one hour a week is in any way actively or gainfully "employed" More fool you then. Go play in aus.pol,itics where all your silly mates are posting and keep your crap out of aus.gardens. |
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:01:34 +1000, Terryc
wrote: cp wrote: Water, power, hospitals are the responceability of the states not the federal government. 1) at least try to keep up with what is happening politically. Responsibilities change. What doe sthis have to do with aus.gardens. Post your nonsense in aus.politics and not in here which is aus.gardens about plants not crappy politics. Snip mindless filthy crap. |
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On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:11:14 +1000, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given
wrote: "Terryc" wrote in message cp wrote: Once you pay off your debts you really ought to save for your final years not continue to spend like there is no tomorrow. 4) Yawn, I take it you're a naive kid . I suspect this person is an old codger who has never voted anything but Liberal in its life and doesn't want to think about anything political. I think politics is the best spectator sport on the planet. Member of the ALP for 30 years. Even been in parliament for the ALP 30 years ago. Came to my senses like that other ALP candidate who is supporting the LIBS and has seen the hate like some of you have posted. Now go play in aus.politics where you belong. The states are racking in the money from the GST. 5) Lol, you really haven't tried to educate yourself have you. If you had, you might know what the states gave up in return for getting the GST income. But unfortunaltey they haven't given up many of the taxes that they were supposed to in order to get the GST money. That is the state ALP that was suppose to remove stamp duty. Blame them. There was a big argument about this in ALP ranks a few years ago but was shouted down by my own members. I'll go public if I continue to see the crap that is going on. Rudd has clearly gone too far amd worse than Keating. Opposition leaders across Australia wether they are libs or alp are quite ordinary to say the least. |
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Dont be silly. It wasnt the USA. It was the exclusive brethren who told
him to fog nuclear They paid for electioneering after all. Pauline causes community responses. Which is better than no damn response at all. FarmI wrote: "cp" wrote in message On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:36:08 +1000, Terryc wrote: jh wrote: If I was the PM I'd forget about the murrey darling basin and build each state a couple of desal plants whioch are about $350 million each. Each plant in Perth caters for about 300,000 people. 1) Little John would rather funds parties than build any infrastruture for Australia. his legacy is going to be the squandering of the good economic times that PK lined up. Water is the responceability of the states as is the hospital system which is in a god awful mess. So why is John Howard trying to take over control of the Murray-Darling Basin? 2) Climate change. To power desal, you are going to need a new coal fired power station. Nukes are not going to happen in my lifetime. Power stations are owned by the state governemets, blame them for coal power station building. So why did John Howard come home form his last trip to the US and announce within a week that Australia would have 20+ Nuclear Power Staions? |
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:03:17 +1000, Terryc
wrote: cp wrote: Water is the responceability of the states as is the hospital system which is in a god awful mess. I take it that you have been out of the country. The hospital system is a real disaster story. My neighbour died recently and was sent home time and time again. Nursing homes are a shambles. My neighbours children in the end cared for him. They had to rent a special bed for him but in the end it was cheaper to buy a special bed than rent one. If your pet is in agony there is a green liquid that ends the pets life with digfnity. Dying in agony I would not wish it on my worse enemy. If there wasa a referendum on this ussue the public would be for it but poltitions are to scared about the clergy and their reactions to go through with it. The NT a while back allowed this but the Federal government put a bill into parliament and the dumb ass pollies from all the major parties could vote yay or nay and they wer so worried about the clergy they supported the bill to over turn the NT government. Personally I'd like to see the church stay the hell out of politics. Both Rudd and Howard are to close the church IMHO. A suggestion if I may. Post anything to do with politics in aus.politics Somehow the loonies from aus.politics have made their way to this news group. This debate has gone on too long as it is. You need water to have a garden. Without it you are stuffed. I've got two water tanks. How many do you have? Bore water for us. Cost $5000 and two weeks later the state government over here imposed that we can only use it 3 days a week. The way things are going if I was to waste my money on a water tank they'll impose that I only use it a couple times a week:( You can also choose plants that require little water. The only plants I grow are one sthat bring in food like vegi's and fruit plants. This saves me a fortune on buying at the local store. My food lasts longer and has taste with no poisons unlike what is sold just about everywhere. |
Love the lack of water dont you?
On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:07:48 +1000, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given
wrote: "cp" wrote in message On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:36:08 +1000, Terryc wrote: jh wrote: If I was the PM I'd forget about the murrey darling basin and build each state a couple of desal plants whioch are about $350 million each. Each plant in Perth caters for about 300,000 people. 1) Little John would rather funds parties than build any infrastruture for Australia. his legacy is going to be the squandering of the good economic times that PK lined up. Water is the responceability of the states as is the hospital system which is in a god awful mess. So why is John Howard trying to take over control of the Murray-Darling Basin? Personnaly I think he's made a mistake. Time for him to retire gracefully. I don't like Costello. I would like to see Turnball or Bishop in the leadership pack with Downer. 2) Climate change. To power desal, you are going to need a new coal fired power station. Nukes are not going to happen in my lifetime. Power stations are owned by the state governemets, blame them for coal power station building. So why did John Howard come home form his last trip to the US and announce within a week that Australia would have 20+ Nuclear Power Staions? Its a good idea. I'm all for nuclear power. Safe as houses. Martin Fergerson is for nuclear power and he's from the ALP. At least Rudd will allow Nuclear mining at long last. Now to get the other states on board so they can mine urainium as well. There are 443 uranium nuclear power stations in the world. The French get 75% of power from nuclear reactors and sell power to Germany who is against Nuclear power but is quite happy to pay for the power that comes from nuclear. I don't know why people are against it, maybe it comes from the silly arms race between the then USSR and the US. Longer term though helium-3 will be the way to go. 6 tonnes helium-3 would give enough fuel to run the whole of the UK for a year. Helium-3 is on the moon which is why they are all eager to get back to the moon. http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/rus...788144227.html Helium-3 is a non-radioactive isotope of helium that can be used in nuclear fusion. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117....html?from=rss |
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