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We have had 152 mm so far this month, mostly in gentle showers.
The subsoil is recharged again, the pasture is green again, everything is leaping ahead. I have three kinds of squash escaping from their mounds and filling the fridge. The river is running, the dam is full, the house tanks runneth over. Most of the strawberries had individual grey fur coats :-( The BT and pyrethrum is all gone. My fingers were glued together with squashed grubs ... but I washed before typing. David |
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In article , "David Hare-Scott"
wrote: We have had 152 mm so far this month, mostly in gentle showers. The subsoil is recharged again, the pasture is green again, everything is leaping ahead. I have three kinds of squash escaping from their mounds and filling the fridge. The river is running, the dam is full, the house tanks runneth over. So good to hear! Ditto here, but we had some quite heavy rain at times. And now the kikuyu runneth over my vegies :-( Most of the strawberries had individual grey fur coats :-( The BT and pyrethrum is all gone. My fingers were glued together with squashed grubs ... but I washed before typing. Thanks for that delightful mental picture! I have two little boys who have spent the weekend getting muddy in the back yard. Napisan does work to remove mud, I found. However, the pastime of "throw the rock into the ditch" was abandoned today after the smaller one copped one on the head (no serious injuries, I'm happy to report). -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) http://chookiesbackyard.blogspot.com/ |
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Chookie wrote:
In article , "David Hare-Scott" wrote: We have had 152 mm so far this month, mostly in gentle showers. Stop being greedy and send some to Brisbane! |
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"Lionel van den Berg" wrote in message ... Chookie wrote: In article , "David Hare-Scott" wrote: We have had 152 mm so far this month, mostly in gentle showers. Stop being greedy and send some to Brisbane! Forget Brissy (sorry offspring) We NEED it further west so you guys can eat. Had some light stuff overnight to go with the 42mm so far this month. Only another 180mm needed to give an average year. Jim |
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g'day david,
40mm of good soaking stuff so far this month for us in northern brissy bayside (bayside always better for rain opportunities) the islands ahve been getting heaps from our observations early in the month nth straddie had around 50mm for the one day. reckon we need another 74 flood to beak this drought. got 66mm last month. last night maps showed a nice big system setting up over the solomons might be the first blow for the season? On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:45:15 +1100, "David Hare-Scott" wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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Not sure how much we got through last week, but I do know that on Friday
(9th) we had 168mm in 24 hours on the beautiful MidNorthCoast of NSW. Sunny since Sunday so everything has dried out again now. Len, extended periods of drought almost always end with a flood, don't they? There was some localised flooding around here last Friday at high tide, but once the tide turned flood waters could recede. Bronwyn ;-) len garden wrote: g'day david, 40mm of good soaking stuff so far this month for us in northern brissy bayside (bayside always better for rain opportunities) the islands ahve been getting heaps from our observations early in the month nth straddie had around 50mm for the one day. reckon we need another 74 flood to beak this drought. got 66mm last month. last night maps showed a nice big system setting up over the solomons might be the first blow for the season? On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:45:15 +1100, "David Hare-Scott" wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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g'day bronwyn,
yes flood follows drought, but amazing how many want the drought to break but don't want the flood?? not prepared i would suggest and also the next aussie day type flood will realy show the bad side of our city planners development process. yes i've been watching the satt' pics and other maps the southern end of the gold coast and well into nth'n nsw always get lots more rain opportunities than what some of us others get even around the sunshine coast, reckon it is that there is more unspoilt habitat in those areas. On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:23:09 +1100, HC wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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i mentioned it in an earlier post that system up north has tightened
and is into the torress straight just nth/east of the cape it is down to 993hp has some rotation going, although we don't want harm to anyone could this be the system that gives us much needed rain down this way? On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:45:15 +1100, "David Hare-Scott" snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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I hope everyone gets some much needed rain and will be watching the
weather reports as usual. Bronwyn ;-) len garden wrote: i mentioned it in an earlier post that system up north has tightened and is into the torress straight just nth/east of the cape it is down to 993hp has some rotation going, although we don't want harm to anyone could this be the system that gives us much needed rain down this way? On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:45:15 +1100, "David Hare-Scott" snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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SG1 wrote:
Forget Brissy (sorry offspring) We NEED it further west so you guys can eat. Had some light stuff overnight to go with the 42mm so far this month. Only another 180mm needed to give an average year. I agree, I wouldn't mind donating you the 180mm, but I would like some over the dams too. |
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G'day Len...and others!
Did you get any rain over the last few days? 89mm was recorded just a few blocks from where I live, but it was very heavy. Today clear, bright blue skies and the grass is so lovely and green! My small rainwater tank that I fitted 2-3 weeks ago is now full!! Yippee!! lovely water to drink....ssshhhh!! don't tell the council that I'm drinking it, they advertise that rainwater is NOT fit for human consumption. So if I don't wake up tomorrow, at least I'll know what killed me!! ROFLMHO! Bronwyn ;-) len garden wrote: i mentioned it in an earlier post that system up north has tightened and is into the torress straight just nth/east of the cape it is down to 993hp has some rotation going, although we don't want harm to anyone could this be the system that gives us much needed rain down this way? On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:45:15 +1100, "David Hare-Scott" snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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HC wrote:
G'day Len...and others! Did you get any rain over the last few days? 89mm was recorded just a few blocks from where I live, but it was very heavy. Today clear, bright blue skies and the grass is so lovely and green! In Sydney, something up there has been piddling for the last few days, but not enough to consider that the garden is being effectively watered. |
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"HC" wrote in message ... G'day Len...and others! Did you get any rain over the last few days? 89mm was recorded just a few blocks from where I live, but it was very heavy. Today clear, bright blue skies and the grass is so lovely and green! Yes another 40mm or so. The pasture and garden are powering on. My small rainwater tank that I fitted 2-3 weeks ago is now full!! Yippee!! lovely water to drink....ssshhhh!! don't tell the council that I'm drinking it, they advertise that rainwater is NOT fit for human consumption. So if I don't wake up tomorrow, at least I'll know what killed me!! ROFLMHO! How weird! I drink nothing but rainwater and it's better than any town water I have ever had. David |
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"HC" wrote in message
My small rainwater tank that I fitted 2-3 weeks ago is now full!! Yippee!! lovely water to drink....ssshhhh!! don't tell the council that I'm drinking it, they advertise that rainwater is NOT fit for human consumption. So if I don't wake up tomorrow, at least I'll know what killed me!! ROFLMHO! Good Lord! I've been drinking rainwater for at least 40 years. |
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g'day bronwyn,
we got 22mm out of the rain a couple days agao wahtever that makes about 68mm for the month to date. so tank water is bad for health hey?? then i should ahve karked it a hundred times over hey, been drinking ours since the tank went in and collected enough to drink. great scare mongers hey local gov'? On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:10:25 +1100, HC wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
... "HC" wrote in message ... G'day Len...and others! Did you get any rain over the last few days? 89mm was recorded just a few blocks from where I live, but it was very heavy. Today clear, bright blue skies and the grass is so lovely and green! Yes another 40mm or so. The pasture and garden are powering on. My small rainwater tank that I fitted 2-3 weeks ago is now full!! Yippee!! lovely water to drink....ssshhhh!! don't tell the council that I'm drinking it, they advertise that rainwater is NOT fit for human consumption. So if I don't wake up tomorrow, at least I'll know what killed me!! ROFLMHO! How weird! I drink nothing but rainwater and it's better than any town water I have ever had. gawd, me too. our rainwater's lovely. in town, the town-water they get is just completely disgusting (so they probably all drink their rainwater in secret, like bronwyn ;-) considering our only other choice for drinking is dam-water (i don't think it's the yabby poo that makes it so brown and crunchy, but i doubt that it helps ;-) i really do chuckle when townies are told their rainwater's supposed to be for the garden or the toilet, or something. dear me. councils are almost always gaspingly useless, but i think someone from above comes up with moronic rules with which to torture & exasperate the populace. kylie |
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"0tterbot" wrote in message ... How weird! I drink nothing but rainwater and it's better than any town water I have ever had. gawd, me too. our rainwater's lovely. in town, the town-water they get is just completely disgusting (so they probably all drink their rainwater in secret, like bronwyn ;-) considering our only other choice for drinking is dam-water (i don't think it's the yabby poo that makes it so brown and crunchy, but i doubt that it helps ;-) i really do chuckle when townies are told their rainwater's supposed to be for the garden or the toilet, or something. dear me. councils are almost always gaspingly useless, but i think someone from above comes up with moronic rules with which to torture & exasperate the populace. kylie Until a few years ago some urban councils would not permit rainwater tanks at all on the grounds that they encouraged mosquitos! There is no reason to have mozzies in your water tank. It's just weird. David |
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G'day David
Sure is weird!! I've lived on acreage and had to rely on rainwater for many years and just hate drinking town water with all the additives that spoil great tasting water. Anyway those days are gone now. Good to see some rain falling. Bronwyn ;-) David Hare-Scott wrote: "HC" wrote in message ... G'day Len...and others! Did you get any rain over the last few days? 89mm was recorded just a few blocks from where I live, but it was very heavy. Today clear, bright blue skies and the grass is so lovely and green! Yes another 40mm or so. The pasture and garden are powering on. My small rainwater tank that I fitted 2-3 weeks ago is now full!! Yippee!! lovely water to drink....ssshhhh!! don't tell the council that I'm drinking it, they advertise that rainwater is NOT fit for human consumption. So if I don't wake up tomorrow, at least I'll know what killed me!! ROFLMHO! How weird! I drink nothing but rainwater and it's better than any town water I have ever had. David |
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Can't agree more, Kylie. Some years ago during a previous drought, we
had just finished building our house and of course there was no rain to fill the tank so we had to pump from the creek...it was brown and not from yabbies but the cows standing under the shade of a big willow tree that grew near a spring. Marvellous what good filters will do though, and of course, we boiled drinking water until creek levels improved. Bronwyn ;-) 0tterbot wrote: "David Hare-Scott" wrote in message ... "HC" wrote in message ... G'day Len...and others! Did you get any rain over the last few days? 89mm was recorded just a few blocks from where I live, but it was very heavy. Today clear, bright blue skies and the grass is so lovely and green! Yes another 40mm or so. The pasture and garden are powering on. My small rainwater tank that I fitted 2-3 weeks ago is now full!! Yippee!! lovely water to drink....ssshhhh!! don't tell the council that I'm drinking it, they advertise that rainwater is NOT fit for human consumption. So if I don't wake up tomorrow, at least I'll know what killed me!! ROFLMHO! How weird! I drink nothing but rainwater and it's better than any town water I have ever had. gawd, me too. our rainwater's lovely. in town, the town-water they get is just completely disgusting (so they probably all drink their rainwater in secret, like bronwyn ;-) considering our only other choice for drinking is dam-water (i don't think it's the yabby poo that makes it so brown and crunchy, but i doubt that it helps ;-) i really do chuckle when townies are told their rainwater's supposed to be for the garden or the toilet, or something. dear me. councils are almost always gaspingly useless, but i think someone from above comes up with moronic rules with which to torture & exasperate the populace. kylie |
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G'day Len and Bev
Pleased you got some rain too. Councils have strange rules some times, I'm sure some of them have never tasted rainwater. Before I installed the rainwater tank I made a few of my own improvements...glued a double layer of poly window mesh under the sieve and also on the funnel in the roof gutter. Then, because the tank is dark green and will face north, I want to keep the water cool so covered the exterior with some cream shadecloth. Bronwyn ;-) len garden wrote: g'day bronwyn, we got 22mm out of the rain a couple days agao wahtever that makes about 68mm for the month to date. so tank water is bad for health hey?? then i should ahve karked it a hundred times over hey, been drinking ours since the tank went in and collected enough to drink. great scare mongers hey local gov'? On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:10:25 +1100, HC wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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0tterbot wrote:
i really do chuckle when townies are told their rainwater's supposed to be for the garden or the toilet, or something. dear me. When it rains, it flushes out all the industrial and motor vehicle pollutants in the city/town air into rainwater tanks, which isn't as benign as a bit of dust. |
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"Terryc" wrote in message
... 0tterbot wrote: i really do chuckle when townies are told their rainwater's supposed to be for the garden or the toilet, or something. dear me. When it rains, it flushes out all the industrial and motor vehicle pollutants in the city/town air into rainwater tanks, which isn't as benign as a bit of dust. that's very true, but i wouldn't be supposing that town water (not directly from rain) is any better because it ends up with the same stuff (or worse) in it as well. conversely, country rain water can presumably end up with shocking things in it (it comes out of the air too ;-) i feel confident that the massive majority of water in australia is fit to drink (including the crunchy water from my dam, if i was that desperate) including or even despite the fact that storage dams for cities are full of poo, dead animals (and occasionally people), giardia, and so forth. the reality is that almost nobody in australia ever gets sick from water, even though we know it's all full of traces of christ knows what, chemical run-off, poo, and dead things. it irks me that incompetent bureaucracies (e.g. most local councils) get to make these decisions from a completely irrational base (the nsw govt 360 degree turnaround on rainwater tanks being one minute banned outright in cities, & the next encouraged, is the sort of thing i mean). kylie |
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0tterbot wrote:
i feel confident that the massive majority of water in australia is fit to drink (including the crunchy water from my dam, As someone who bicycle toured through great areas of this country, I felt that way in the 70's, but now I am much more caustious. That wonderful little brown pill you could take to cure delhi bellie is no longer around and the knowledge of an increasing range of long term diabilitating 9sp?) diseases is worrying. To be blunt, we have a hell of a lot more "arseholes" spreading diseases around as our population has almost doubled(?) over that time and we now have agricultural wonders such as feed lots that despite all they are suppossed tyo not do, can do a very good job of concentrating certain pathogens that overwhelm a normal watercourse's cleaning methods. I've taken to filtering everything these days. Waterhsed information for me was that polar bears in the artic are contaminated with the old style cooling oil used in power transformers. Problem was there are no power transformers scattered throughout the artic. turned out this nice, lethal chemical was going through successive evaporation, deposition cycles to wind up on artic tundra vegetation to be eaten by browsers to be eaten and acculmulated by polar bears, erk. Modern chemicals are wonderful. . it irks me that incompetent bureaucracies (e.g. most local councils) get to make these decisions from a completely irrational base (the nsw govt 360 degree turnaround on rainwater tanks being one minute banned outright in cities, & the next encouraged, is the sort of thing i mean). Absolutely no argument there. |
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In article ,
Terryc wrote: 0tterbot wrote: i really do chuckle when townies are told their rainwater's supposed to be for the garden or the toilet, or something. dear me. When it rains, it flushes out all the industrial and motor vehicle pollutants in the city/town air into rainwater tanks, which isn't as benign as a bit of dust. You wouldn't think Sydney rainwater would be fit to drink, but Michael Mobbs' wife is a scientist and insisted that their rainwater be regularly tested for this sort of stuff as they live in one of the 'innerest' of inner Sydney suburbs (Chippendale). They've never had a problem AFAIK, but they do use a first-flush diverter. -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) http://chookiesbackyard.blogspot.com/ |
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Chookie wrote:
You wouldn't think Sydney rainwater would be fit to drink, but Michael Mobbs' wife is a scientist and insisted that their rainwater be regularly tested for this sort of stuff as they live in one of the 'innerest' of inner Sydney suburbs (Chippendale). They've never had a problem AFAIK, but they do use a first-flush diverter. Unfortunately Mobbs testing =/= all of Sydney testing. Personally, stuck out here in the wilderness ofthe SW housing estates[1] I am not too worried about it all. We rarely get NW winds, from where the aluminium stacks are and I figure all those certified safe food stuffs are almost guaranteed to be loaded with higher levels of pesticides, insecticides, fungicides, toxic colouring etc, etc, etc than bad stuff in the rainwater I collect. Mry real rainwater problem is just having sufficent space to install worthwhile size of tank. [1] in the territory of the dumb bunnies who once again volted in a idiot ultra conservative as their local member. Now all those fools are going to really find out where the money comes from, aka he just presented the cheques and didn't get them the money. |
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"Terryc" wrote in message
... 0tterbot wrote: i feel confident that the massive majority of water in australia is fit to drink (including the crunchy water from my dam, As someone who bicycle toured through great areas of this country, I felt that way in the 70's, but now I am much more caustious. :-) that's because you're more informed, not because anything has really changed much ;-) i don't disagree with anything you've said whatsoever - my point is only that if it's "safe" to breathe the air & grow crops in (for e.g.) sydney, the rainwater must also be "safe" because all the systems are connected, not seperate. shrug if the rainwater's not safe to drink (& while i'd not feel entirely keen to be drinking sydney rainwater as compared to mine here, i'd still logically consider it as safe as the tap water, seeing as how it's essentially the same stuff!!) then it mustn't be "safe" to actually live there, either. my point is that ultimately, it's exceedingly rare for any water anywhere in australia to be likely to make one sick in the short term (which i suspect is all that councils were talking about - they're probably not talking about multi-generational damage to dna or anything like that). in the long term, we all know now that all of us have chemicals in our bodies & in other systems which shouldn't be there, and might be harmful, which we didn't put there ourselves and would never choose to have in a million years. however, panicking about it now won't help either - it doesn't achieve anything. i'm pleased that this and related issues are finally getting the notice they deserve. big issues aren't served well by dim-witted local councils, though g snip I've taken to filtering everything these days. right, but you don't filter your soil or the veggies you grow, because you can't. you're making a net benefit to your household and everyone else in the world by the garden being there, though. and i think that is the more important & more positive thing. honestly, if people in cities don't want to drink their rainwater, that's fine by me. but, it seems an odd distinction on balance. shrug one other thing i do find annoying (not about YOU ;-) is water-panic in the legislative populace. grey water is the main one - people seem to treat the subject with an element of near-hysteria i find frankly mystifying. rain water comes second. i was interested to read recently that one MUST have a flush-diverter for "safe" rainwater. we don't have one of those (although i do want one, to keep the tank cleaner, but we don't have one yet). but our water tastes great, doesn't make us sick, and doesn't make guests sick (any effects we're immune to through exposure would show up in a guest, yes?) and is as clear as a bell. thousands of years' worth of rainwater drinkers would be mystified to discover they "needed" a flush diverter all along, wouldn't they ;-) i think the truth of things is that once there's a "product" where none previously existed, the combination of capitalism and fear of litigation makes powerful people lose their minds. one example of this would be microbe warnings on potting mix. i don't doubt there are people out there who use potting mix while wearing a hazmat suit and gas mask - yet these same people very likely muck about in the dirt without any "protections" at all, despite that garden soil clearly contains (amongst other things) legionella, e-coli, tetanus, etc not to mention the possibility of heavy metals, other carcinogens & christ knows what. the only difference is that you can't sue the earth if you got cat-scratch fever or tetanus, and you can't attach a warning to a back yard. :-) if polar bears are contaminated with coolants, one can only speculate what we & our soils are contaminated with - so worrying about city rainwater _in particular_ doesn't really rate when you think about it imo. this is the sort of broader theme i was pursuing in my statement. by all means we must always take care of ourselves & others. equally, worrying excessively about small pieces of a bigger puzzle just doesn't help anyone. fixing them helps, though - which is a broad thing to be doing, not a micro-managing, fuss-pot, local-council thing. i really don't think we disagree here, terry! kylie |
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0tterbot wrote:
one other thing i do find annoying (not about YOU ;-) is water-panic in the legislative populace. grey water is the main one - people seem to treat the subject with an element of near-hysteria i find frankly mystifying. Well, mistakes happen you see and if someone screws up on a valve in the sewerage water recycling to drinking water plant, URK!. My 2c is there is nothing wrong with a dual water quality system; low quality, consisting of recycled sewearge water and collected stormwater, for gardens and toilet flushing and high quality filtered for drinking, cooking and showering. |
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"Terryc" wrote in message
... 0tterbot wrote: one other thing i do find annoying (not about YOU ;-) is water-panic in the legislative populace. grey water is the main one - people seem to treat the subject with an element of near-hysteria i find frankly mystifying. Well, mistakes happen you see and if someone screws up on a valve in the sewerage water recycling to drinking water plant, URK!. eek! although i did mean only in a home-situation (you know, where to direct your grey-water goodies, and how, and so forth). My 2c is there is nothing wrong with a dual water quality system; low quality, consisting of recycled sewearge water and collected stormwater, for gardens and toilet flushing and high quality filtered for drinking, cooking and showering. yes, me too. although i do feel doing it on a home-by-home basis is probably better.... hm. particularly in light of your comment above. kylie |
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"Terryc" wrote in message
... [1] in the territory of the dumb bunnies who once again volted in a idiot ultra conservative as their local member. who's your local member then? we got mike kelly, which of course only underlines eden-monaro's status as a "bell-wether" seat, thus making elections hopelessly exciting. (i only ever lived in safe seats before, where you can't escape the feeling that as a voter, one is wasting one's time). kylie |
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0tterbot wrote:
"Terryc" wrote in message ... [1] in the territory of the dumb bunnies who once again volted in a idiot ultra conservative as their local member. who's your local member then? Pat Farmer for Macarthur, which is definitely no longer a bellweather seat. He is still squarking about how workchoices is good. It is knife edge but drawing further his way. Unfortunately, we do not have the bob brown bushwalker effect where all the postal votes are buchwalkers, so his margin is growing Seriously, if the rodent had been serious about fixing the Murray-Darling water fisco and really started taken action, I would have had to think seriously about voting for a bit of self interest; the grandfather's farm is going to be lost if this situation continues much longer. They are not even getting the piddle we are getting each day in Sydney. Their last "rain" was in May when they sowed all the wheat and oats they could afford. Now, it is just a pick for the cattle and sheep. So much for all the work my grandfather put into solving the national food shortages post WWII. we got mike kelly, which of course only underlines eden-monaro's status as a "bell-wether" seat, thus making elections hopelessly exciting. (i only ever lived in safe seats before, where you can't escape the feeling that as a voter, one is wasting one's time). What is that saying about pollies and underwear? change often {:-). kylie |
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0tterbot wrote:
eek! although i did mean only in a home-situation (you know, where to direct your grey-water goodies, and how, and so forth). If I could get a economical underhouse water bladder, then I would consider doing greywater recycling. |
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"Terryc" wrote in message ... Seriously, if the rodent had been serious about fixing the Murray-Darling water fisco and really started taken action, I would have had to think seriously about voting for a bit of self interest; the grandfather's farm is going to be lost if this situation continues much longer. The M-D water allocation is a nightmare. The fools have allocated more water than would ever be available even if we were not in drought. People have made investments based on water being available and it's now politically impossible to turn around and say it isn't. What politician has the courage to take on a problem where everybody will hate you for one reason or another no matter what you do? If we had any statesmen around perhaps but with poll-driven populism there is no percentage in it. Secondly, does it really make sense to grow thirsty crops like cotton in dryland areas based on irrigation? The only way to sort out what land use is sensible is to choose the most cost effective one that doesn't destroy future options. This requires a fair price to be set for resources and for legislation to prevent "mining" the land, that is choosing non sustainable options, which we have had too much of already. Once again if people have investmented in a cash crop based on water being artificially cheap how do you tell them that it cannot go on? David |
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David Hare-Scott wrote:
The M-D water allocation is a nightmare. Agreed, The lemming is for the blow torch next. Secondly, does it really make sense to grow thirsty crops like cotton in dryland areas based on irrigation? Agreed. The vested interest is rice, without which the farm isn't viable. The rodents offer to walk off the land was pitiful. Sadly, we have old farms who have been slowly adjusting, then all the wonderful tax lurk farms that received the wonderful boost of tradeable water, which as you say didn't exist. Now the tax lurkers are having the water confiscated for their benefit. sigh. anyway, at least I can still water my little backyard farm. |
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"0tterbot" wrote in message
i was interested to read recently that one MUST have a flush-diverter for "safe" rainwater. we don't have one of those (although i do want one, to keep the tank cleaner, but we don't have one yet). Those flush diverters also remove a lot of water that could be going into your tank. We don't have one and never have and when I asked a firend about his, he was very dismissive of it because by the time it was full and ready to allow water into his tank, the shower had often passed on and he was not getting the run off into his tank. He eventually disconnected it. |
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"0tterbot" wrote in message
we got mike kelly, which of course only underlines eden-monaro's status as a "bell-wether" seat, thus making elections hopelessly exciting. (i only ever lived in safe seats before, where you can't escape the feeling that as a voter, one is wasting one's time). He's my Member too. For some reason I thought you were rather more to the North - somewhere near Warragamba Dam. Wonder how I formed that idea? |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message ... "0tterbot" wrote in message i was interested to read recently that one MUST have a flush-diverter for "safe" rainwater. we don't have one of those (although i do want one, to keep the tank cleaner, but we don't have one yet). Those flush diverters also remove a lot of water that could be going into your tank. We don't have one and never have and when I asked a firend about his, he was very dismissive of it because by the time it was full and ready to allow water into his tank, the shower had often passed on and he was not getting the run off into his tank. He eventually disconnected it. I put in 3 (my own design) the gunk that is in the bottom after a rain event is quite disgusting. Mine are just lengths of 90mm plastic pipe recycled from the tip. Takes about 0.2mm to fill them, so there is not much waste. Had to pump another 8000 litres into the cooling tank to make room for todays 30mm after yesterdays 29mm. So the shower will be running on 100% rainwater instead of 50% rain & 50% bore water. Jim |
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"Terryc" wrote in message
... 0tterbot wrote: eek! although i did mean only in a home-situation (you know, where to direct your grey-water goodies, and how, and so forth). If I could get a economical underhouse water bladder, then I would consider doing greywater recycling. i'm not sure how big your garden is, but if it's of any size, i can guarantee you'll be glad you did ;-) there's also the possibility of doing the whole thing for free in a non-council-approved form, but of course i can't recommend such a thing g kylie |
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"Terryc" wrote in message
... who's your local member then? Pat Farmer for Macarthur, which is definitely no longer a bellweather seat. He is still squarking about how workchoices is good. oh dear. it is looking to me like many of the libs just aren't getting it - the country moved on while they weren't looking & many of them find this mystifying (which makes me wonder what on earth they do all day!!). It is knife edge but drawing further his way. Unfortunately, we do not have the bob brown bushwalker effect where all the postal votes are buchwalkers, so his margin is growing Seriously, if the rodent had been serious about fixing the Murray-Darling water fisco and really started taken action, I would have had to think seriously about voting for a bit of self interest; the grandfather's farm is going to be lost if this situation continues much longer. They are not even getting the piddle we are getting each day in Sydney. Their last "rain" was in May when they sowed all the wheat and oats they could afford. Now, it is just a pick for the cattle and sheep. So much for all the work my grandfather put into solving the national food shortages post WWII. without wanting to be offensive, afaict if they rely on water allocations from govts when it's become clear that's not reliable in any way, they're just not going to make it & there's nothing anyone can do about that. everyone benefits from a hardcore dose of completely new thinking, & farmers have to do that now. in the next 10 years, the farms that are going well will be those who aren't addicted to the past (not to mention addicted to growing things like wheat, rice or cotton). but in short, the "rodent" was not "serious" about fixing ANYTHING. in 1952 there weren't water problems, by jingo, therefore to his rapid-set-concrete way of "thinking", such problems simply don't exist. :-) What is that saying about pollies and underwear? change often {:-). that's very, very true. kylie |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
... "0tterbot" wrote in message we got mike kelly, which of course only underlines eden-monaro's status as a "bell-wether" seat, thus making elections hopelessly exciting. (i only ever lived in safe seats before, where you can't escape the feeling that as a voter, one is wasting one's time). He's my Member too. can i just say, that use of "member" always cracks me up, tee hee. most things aren't funny twice, but that one is. well, maybe not... er.... For some reason I thought you were rather more to the North - somewhere near Warragamba Dam. Wonder how I formed that idea? don't ask me!!!! we are right in the armpit of civilisation * - an hour to queanbeyan, an hour to goulburn, an hour to bateman's bay. and it rains quite a lot at our place, too. marvellous!!! mike kelly was everywhere during the campaign. he really did deserve to win (compared to g. nairn - clearly had become complacent & was living in the past & i personally didn't clap eyes on the man even once - but perhaps i did but fell asleep immediately & thence forgot). kylie * not sure if you could really call any of those places "civilisation", but you get the idea ;-) |
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