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Gas Bag 01-05-2008 09:22 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
X-No-Archive:

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the use of grey water from
the laundry for garden watering – mainly lawns.
I’m not at all asking about the legality of it, which is not at all an
issue. Rather I am trying to find out whether or not the grey laundry
water is likely to stuff up my lawns. I use different sorts of washing
powders, switching between different brands, but I typically add:

NapiSan OxyAction MAX

http://www.vanishstains.com.au/whats_new.shtml#1

Is this sort of grey water ok for lawn watering?
What if this grey water was used for deep soil irrigation near plants
and shrubs? (This is much less of an issue at this stage).
I really would appreciate some advice. Thanks.

Jonno[_6_] 01-05-2008 01:05 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
Gas Bag wrote:
X-No-Archive:

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the use of grey water from
the laundry for garden watering – mainly lawns.
I’m not at all asking about the legality of it, which is not at all an
issue. Rather I am trying to find out whether or not the grey laundry
water is likely to stuff up my lawns. I use different sorts of washing
powders, switching between different brands, but I typically add:

NapiSan OxyAction MAX

http://www.vanishstains.com.au/whats_new.shtml#1

Is this sort of grey water ok for lawn watering?
What if this grey water was used for deep soil irrigation near plants
and shrubs? (This is much less of an issue at this stage).
I really would appreciate some advice. Thanks.


Have a look here. http://tinyurl.com/6n5mz6
It seems to have all the answers...

len gardener 01-05-2008 07:42 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
g'day gas bag,

pity to waste it resource wastefull lawns but whatever, it won't harm
the lawn well never did when i was that way inclined.

we use ours on our vege' gardens etc.,. but then we make our own
laundry gel and have never found the need to add things like nappy san
whatever, mostly promotion gimmicks.



On Thu, 1 May 2008 01:22:16 -0700 (PDT), Gas Bag
wrote:
snipped
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

Laura at theGardenPages 02-05-2008 12:10 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
I know, I hate to see all that water to down the drain too! I've used
my laundry water for the lawn and shrubs with no problem. I haven't
tried it on veggies.

If you use boi-degradeable SOAP not detergent you can use the wash
water. The rinse water is fine by you have to be careful about that
fabric softener.

Plus, deep watering is better for shrubs than a sprinkling anyway.
Good for you!

0tterbot 02-05-2008 12:58 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
"Gas Bag" wrote in message
...
X-No-Archive:

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the use of grey water from
the laundry for garden watering – mainly lawns.
I’m not at all asking about the legality of it, which is not at all an
issue. Rather I am trying to find out whether or not the grey laundry
water is likely to stuff up my lawns. I use different sorts of washing
powders, switching between different brands, but I typically add:

NapiSan OxyAction MAX

http://www.vanishstains.com.au/whats_new.shtml#1

Is this sort of grey water ok for lawn watering?
What if this grey water was used for deep soil irrigation near plants
and shrubs? (This is much less of an issue at this stage).
I really would appreciate some advice. Thanks.

--

i'm instinctively inclined to worry about the addition of napisan, so i
think you're going to have to stop doing that! it has a fearsome reputation
for stain removal, so i naturally doubt you want it on your garden.
bleaches, salts & whatnot should NOT go on your garden as they will poison
the plants.

any low- or no-salt and low- or no-phosphorus powder should be fine on a
lawn, however, there are lots of brands available now that are
more-specifically designed to end up as grey water, so go with one of those
& ditch the napisan outright.

i'm always spruiking "aware" (planet ark) washing powder because it's a
great product & easy to get at almost any supermarket & not expensive, and i
can confirm from personal experience that it won't do any harm at all. so
that would be my personal recommendation.

if you use a non-toxic product such as "aware" & are mindful of using the
greywater within 24 hours, you shouldn't have any problems of any kind.
(it's fine for your garden after 24 hours, but gets very germy &
surprisingly smelly, so you need to be aware of not creating a health hazard
before it goes into the ground! :-) most people just use either a home-made
collection point & then send it straight out, or just direct it straight out
(eg flexible pipe directed through the wall or window), or you can have a
plumber install a pretty spectacular certified setup, but you still need to
send it out within 24 hours or else send it down the drain - the plumber
set-ups will have a drain diversion [which seems a waste to me, but is
necessary for sanitary reasons if you live in town & have a lot of washing
to do but it's too wet to water the yard that day] ).
kylie



Billy[_4_] 02-05-2008 05:37 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article
,
Laura at theGardenPages wrote:

I know, I hate to see all that water to down the drain too! I've used
my laundry water for the lawn and shrubs with no problem. I haven't
tried it on veggies.

If you use boi-degradeable SOAP not detergent you can use the wash
water. The rinse water is fine by you have to be careful about that
fabric softener.

Plus, deep watering is better for shrubs than a sprinkling anyway.
Good for you!


Perfect storm indeed. We had good rain Nov. to March and then the driest
March-April ever. We are looking at sever water rationing at the same
time the price of food is skyrocketing. I think I need a water tank.
--

Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0s...eature=related

FarmI 02-05-2008 08:31 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
"Gas Bag" wrote in message
X-No-Archive:

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the use of grey water from
the laundry for garden watering – mainly lawns.
I’m not at all asking about the legality of it, which is not at all an
issue. Rather I am trying to find out whether or not the grey laundry
water is likely to stuff up my lawns. I use different sorts of washing
powders, switching between different brands, but I typically add:

NapiSan OxyAction MAX

http://www.vanishstains.com.au/whats_new.shtml#1

Is this sort of grey water ok for lawn watering?
What if this grey water was used for deep soil irrigation near plants
and shrubs? (This is much less of an issue at this stage).
I really would appreciate some advice. Thanks.

There is a chap whose sig block is George.com from NZ and he has made up a
grey water system for watering his lawns. If you can attract his attention
he may be able to help you out with the necessary info.



George.com 02-05-2008 09:12 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...
"Gas Bag" wrote in message
X-No-Archive:

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the use of grey water from
the laundry for garden watering - mainly lawns.
I'm not at all asking about the legality of it, which is not at all an
issue. Rather I am trying to find out whether or not the grey laundry
water is likely to stuff up my lawns. I use different sorts of washing
powders, switching between different brands, but I typically add:

NapiSan OxyAction MAX

http://www.vanishstains.com.au/whats_new.shtml#1

Is this sort of grey water ok for lawn watering?
What if this grey water was used for deep soil irrigation near plants
and shrubs? (This is much less of an issue at this stage).
I really would appreciate some advice. Thanks.

There is a chap whose sig block is George.com from NZ and he has made up a
grey water system for watering his lawns. If you can attract his
attention he may be able to help you out with the necessary info.


don't drag me into this debate, I'm just an innocent bystander. I will
provide my expertise if someone answers my post about community gardens in
Sydney.

My experiments with waste water was limited to our summer drought. 4 +
months of fa water so I used the water from the washing machine on to the
lawn by way of a surge tank (old rubbish bin) and scavanged washing machine
pipe joined together with a gravity fall off the back deck. The system
worked well. I was initially worried about salt build up from the washing
powders. I brought some non-phosphorous powder but I also used some low(ish)
phosphorous powder as well. Upon reflection I was not too worried about salt
levels in the powder. My problem was a long drought by local standards. I
simply wanted to try and nurse the lawn through. 2-3 loads of washing
machine water a week was not enough to keep the lawn green but it did
mitigate some of the effects of the long drought. We have heaps of rain in
winter so salts in the soil will be washed through by constant rainfall.
Since mid april we have had roughly 3-4 inchs I guess. That is enought to
kick start growth and rains will continue through the winter. As a stop gap
measure it worked okish. year round however the salts in the washing powder
would worry me.

Now, if someone wants to answer my Sydney query:
Does nayone living in Syndey know of any community/permaculture/organic
gardens within the sydney city?

A woman from NZ is over in your city sometime shortly and is interested in
visiting such gardens to see how it is done.

Any contacts or websites is appreciated

rob


Chookie 02-05-2008 09:49 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article , Charlie wrote:

I agree with this very much. Lawns are an long outdated waste of
resources and land, reminiscent of masters and subservients and
attitudes from a time long gone and best forgotten. Let alone a major
source of poisoning and pollution.......


Well, it depends what you put on them. THe only water mine gets apart from
rain is occasional grey water. It's rarely fertilised, except by
mower-mulching. No velvety sward here, but it IS a place to play cricket and
footy.

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

http://chookiesbackyard.blogspot.com/

enigma 02-05-2008 12:02 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
Charlie wrote in
:

On Thu, 01 May 2008 18:42:21 GMT, len gardener
wrote:

g'day gas bag,

pity to waste it resource wastefull lawns but whatever, it
won't harm the lawn well never did when i was that way
inclined.


I agree with this very much. Lawns are an long outdated
waste of resources and land, reminiscent of masters and
subservients and attitudes from a time long gone and best
forgotten. Let alone a major source of poisoning and
pollution.......


hm? the original manicured wide sweeping lawns at country
manor houses were sheep pastures... the whole gardners mowing
lawns thing came much later.
Britan, at the time, had enough moisure to support broad
pastures & the sheep groomed & fertilized. it was a gain, not
a loss as it is now.

lee contemplating windmills
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

Jan Flora 02-05-2008 08:27 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
Laura at theGardenPages wrote:

I know, I hate to see all that water to down the drain too! I've used
my laundry water for the lawn and shrubs with no problem. I haven't
tried it on veggies.

If you use boi-degradeable SOAP not detergent you can use the wash
water. The rinse water is fine by you have to be careful about that
fabric softener.

Plus, deep watering is better for shrubs than a sprinkling anyway.
Good for you!


Perfect storm indeed. We had good rain Nov. to March and then the driest
March-April ever. We are looking at sever water rationing at the same
time the price of food is skyrocketing. I think I need a water tank.


Get some food-grade poly drums and set them up to catch the rainwater
from the downspouts on your house. If you want to spend a lot of money,
you can buy rain barrels that have hose bibs already installed in them.
I think Gardener's Supply sells them.

A caveat: you may want to put a piece of plywood or something over the
top of the barrels, to keep debris out. At the very least, put a little
piece of wood -- a stick or something -- in there, so little birds won't
drown. If they get in there, they can climb onto the stick, dry out and
fly away.

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan

Sheldon[_1_] 02-05-2008 10:03 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
Jan Flora wrote:

Get some food-grade poly drums and set them up to catch
the rainwater from the downspouts on your house.


Why would food grade drums be necessary for catching rain water
running off a non food grade roof... to do what... pour on the non
food grade ground. Am I missing something, or why wouldn't an
ordinary plastic trash can be suitable?

You can buy low quality for like $10-$15 but they will decay from UV
exposure and probably crack from freezing temps.

I have two of these, excellent quality: http://tinyurl.com/79bqf

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio.../20&lpage=none





Bill[_13_] 02-05-2008 10:17 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article
,
Sheldon wrote:

Jan Flora wrote:

Get some food-grade poly drums and set them up to catch
the rainwater from the downspouts on your house.


Why would food grade drums be necessary for catching rain water
running off a non food grade roof... to do what... pour on the non
food grade ground. Am I missing something, or why wouldn't an
ordinary plastic trash can be suitable?

You can buy low quality for like $10-$15 but they will decay from UV
exposure and probably crack from freezing temps.

I have two of these, excellent quality: http://tinyurl.com/79bqf

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...994-1097-8632-
92/20&lpage=none


Last cistern I saw was in Ohio in 1968. Living in NJ no need at this
time. Ground water is about 20 feet down. My well is about 40 feet
down but all the new is about 100. Nitrates are the major contaminate
and old gasoline tanks and oil residues.


Bill

http://waltonfeed.com/old/cistern.html

http://www.google.com/search?client=...tern&ie=UTF-8&
oe=UTF-8

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

David Hare-Scott 02-05-2008 11:25 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 

powders, switching between different brands, but I typically add:


NapiSan OxyAction MAX


Is this sort of grey water ok for lawn watering?


I would encourage you to use your greywater on the lawn (or scrap the lawn -
but that is another story). Many cleansing products are fairly harmless but
there are some potential problems. Some even have a mild nutrient effect from
phosphourus compounds.

One problem is that some contain sodium salts in fair concentrations, if this
were allowed to accumulate without being leached away it could sodize your
soil. Too much sodium displaces necessary minerals (potassium, magnesium,
calcium, etc) which is harmful to plants. This is particularly a problem with
dishwasher powder that typically has much washing soda (sodium carbonate) in
it. So you should avoid such products or only use greywater from them if it
will be well diluted.

The other problem is that antibacterial products like napisan will kill
bacteria (duh!) in your soil, which is undesirable as in this natural
environment they have a positive role. The modern super-clean attitude where
every microbe should be dead is not right for the garden (nor for humans
either but that is yet another story). Consider if napisan is important to
your normal wash or could you and your lawn do without it.

There are web pages devoted to this issue which contain lists of laundry
products and ingredients or ratings for them.

David



Billy[_4_] 03-05-2008 12:56 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article ,
Jan Flora wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
Laura at theGardenPages wrote:

I know, I hate to see all that water to down the drain too! I've used
my laundry water for the lawn and shrubs with no problem. I haven't
tried it on veggies.

If you use boi-degradeable SOAP not detergent you can use the wash
water. The rinse water is fine by you have to be careful about that
fabric softener.

Plus, deep watering is better for shrubs than a sprinkling anyway.
Good for you!


Perfect storm indeed. We had good rain Nov. to March and then the driest
March-April ever. We are looking at sever water rationing at the same
time the price of food is skyrocketing. I think I need a water tank.


Get some food-grade poly drums and set them up to catch the rainwater
from the downspouts on your house. If you want to spend a lot of money,
you can buy rain barrels that have hose bibs already installed in them.
I think Gardener's Supply sells them.

A caveat: you may want to put a piece of plywood or something over the
top of the barrels, to keep debris out. At the very least, put a little
piece of wood -- a stick or something -- in there, so little birds won't
drown. If they get in there, they can climb onto the stick, dry out and
fly away.

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan


Also beware of mosquitos.
--

Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0s...eature=related

Chookie 03-05-2008 01:04 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article , "George.com"
wrote:

Now, if someone wants to answer my Sydney query:
Does nayone living in Syndey know of any community/permaculture/organic
gardens within the sydney city?

A woman from NZ is over in your city sometime shortly and is interested in
visiting such gardens to see how it is done.

Any contacts or websites is appreciated


Try this mob:

http://www.communitygarden.org.au/index.html

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

http://chookiesbackyard.blogspot.com/

Omelet[_4_] 03-05-2008 02:16 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Jan Flora wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
Laura at theGardenPages wrote:

I know, I hate to see all that water to down the drain too! I've used
my laundry water for the lawn and shrubs with no problem. I haven't
tried it on veggies.

If you use boi-degradeable SOAP not detergent you can use the wash
water. The rinse water is fine by you have to be careful about that
fabric softener.

Plus, deep watering is better for shrubs than a sprinkling anyway.
Good for you!

Perfect storm indeed. We had good rain Nov. to March and then the driest
March-April ever. We are looking at sever water rationing at the same
time the price of food is skyrocketing. I think I need a water tank.


Get some food-grade poly drums and set them up to catch the rainwater
from the downspouts on your house. If you want to spend a lot of money,
you can buy rain barrels that have hose bibs already installed in them.
I think Gardener's Supply sells them.

A caveat: you may want to put a piece of plywood or something over the
top of the barrels, to keep debris out. At the very least, put a little
piece of wood -- a stick or something -- in there, so little birds won't
drown. If they get in there, they can climb onto the stick, dry out and
fly away.

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan


Also beware of mosquitos.


That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.
--
--

Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

Billy[_4_] 03-05-2008 06:42 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Jan Flora wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
Laura at theGardenPages wrote:

I know, I hate to see all that water to down the drain too! I've
used
my laundry water for the lawn and shrubs with no problem. I haven't
tried it on veggies.

If you use boi-degradeable SOAP not detergent you can use the wash
water. The rinse water is fine by you have to be careful about that
fabric softener.

Plus, deep watering is better for shrubs than a sprinkling anyway.
Good for you!

Perfect storm indeed. We had good rain Nov. to March and then the
driest
March-April ever. We are looking at sever water rationing at the same
time the price of food is skyrocketing. I think I need a water tank.

Get some food-grade poly drums and set them up to catch the rainwater
from the downspouts on your house. If you want to spend a lot of money,
you can buy rain barrels that have hose bibs already installed in them.
I think Gardener's Supply sells them.

A caveat: you may want to put a piece of plywood or something over the
top of the barrels, to keep debris out. At the very least, put a little
piece of wood -- a stick or something -- in there, so little birds won't
drown. If they get in there, they can climb onto the stick, dry out and
fly away.

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan


Also beware of mosquitos.


That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.


That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
--

Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0s...eature=related

Jonno[_6_] 03-05-2008 09:42 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
Billy wrote:
In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Jan Flora wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
Laura at theGardenPages wrote:

I know, I hate to see all that water to down the drain too! I've
used
my laundry water for the lawn and shrubs with no problem. I haven't
tried it on veggies.

If you use boi-degradeable SOAP not detergent you can use the wash
water. The rinse water is fine by you have to be careful about that
fabric softener.

Plus, deep watering is better for shrubs than a sprinkling anyway.
Good for you!
Perfect storm indeed. We had good rain Nov. to March and then the
driest
March-April ever. We are looking at sever water rationing at the same
time the price of food is skyrocketing. I think I need a water tank.
Get some food-grade poly drums and set them up to catch the rainwater
from the downspouts on your house. If you want to spend a lot of money,
you can buy rain barrels that have hose bibs already installed in them.
I think Gardener's Supply sells them.

A caveat: you may want to put a piece of plywood or something over the
top of the barrels, to keep debris out. At the very least, put a little
piece of wood -- a stick or something -- in there, so little birds won't
drown. If they get in there, they can climb onto the stick, dry out and
fly away.

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.

That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.


That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?

Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.

FarmI 03-05-2008 11:47 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
"enigma" wrote in message

lee contemplating windmills


What are you contemplating windmills for? To pump water from your well?



enigma 03-05-2008 01:55 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in

..au:

"enigma" wrote in message

lee contemplating windmills


What are you contemplating windmills for? To pump water
from your well?


electricty generation. i'm on a ridge & there is always some
breeze. i don't expect to make money, but if i can offset the
US$300+/month in electric bills a little, i'd be happy.

lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

Bill[_13_] 03-05-2008 03:18 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article ,
enigma wrote:

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in

.au:

"enigma" wrote in message

lee contemplating windmills


What are you contemplating windmills for? To pump water
from your well?


electricty generation. i'm on a ridge & there is always some
breeze. i don't expect to make money, but if i can offset the
US$300+/month in electric bills a little, i'd be happy.

lee


Rhode Island offers grants and the below URL reflects RI installation.
Perhaps New Hampshire does as well.

Good luck!

Bill

http://www.entech-engineering.com/Examples_and_Economics.htm#WES

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/01/wind_turbine_lca.php

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Omelet[_4_] 03-05-2008 03:50 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Jan Flora wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
Laura at theGardenPages wrote:

I know, I hate to see all that water to down the drain too! I've
used
my laundry water for the lawn and shrubs with no problem. I
haven't
tried it on veggies.

If you use boi-degradeable SOAP not detergent you can use the wash
water. The rinse water is fine by you have to be careful about
that
fabric softener.

Plus, deep watering is better for shrubs than a sprinkling anyway.
Good for you!

Perfect storm indeed. We had good rain Nov. to March and then the
driest
March-April ever. We are looking at sever water rationing at the same
time the price of food is skyrocketing. I think I need a water tank.

Get some food-grade poly drums and set them up to catch the rainwater
from the downspouts on your house. If you want to spend a lot of money,
you can buy rain barrels that have hose bibs already installed in them.
I think Gardener's Supply sells them.

A caveat: you may want to put a piece of plywood or something over the
top of the barrels, to keep debris out. At the very least, put a little
piece of wood -- a stick or something -- in there, so little birds
won't
drown. If they get in there, they can climb onto the stick, dry out and
fly away.

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan

Also beware of mosquitos.


That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.


That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?


From what I have read, yes. BT dunks are specifically made for standing
water skeeter control.
--
--

Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

Omelet[_4_] 03-05-2008 04:13 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.


That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?

Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.


But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!
--
--

Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

Dioclese 03-05-2008 05:00 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Laura at theGardenPages wrote:

I know, I hate to see all that water to down the drain too! I've used
my laundry water for the lawn and shrubs with no problem. I haven't
tried it on veggies.

If you use boi-degradeable SOAP not detergent you can use the wash
water. The rinse water is fine by you have to be careful about that
fabric softener.

Plus, deep watering is better for shrubs than a sprinkling anyway.
Good for you!


Perfect storm indeed. We had good rain Nov. to March and then the driest
March-April ever. We are looking at sever water rationing at the same
time the price of food is skyrocketing. I think I need a water tank.
--

Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0s...eature=related


All my piped wastewater goes to the leech field via the septic tank. Due to
the low permeability of my local soil, I opted for an above ground leech
field. It the size of a very large putting green. Soil depth is too deep
to have any concern of grass rootage affecting the leech piping. But, at
the same time, enough water is drained to keep the grass from drying out in
drought periods...
--
Dave

Parkinson's disease, not easy to define.
Much less cure.



enigma 03-05-2008 05:13 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
Bill wrote in

news.net:

Rhode Island offers grants and the below URL reflects RI
installation.
Perhaps New Hampshire does as well.


the bills for alternative energy discounts are currently
working through the legislature.

Good luck!


thanks. over 50% of my electric bill is carrier costs. that's
just stupid.
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

Billy[_4_] 03-05-2008 05:51 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.

That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?

Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.


But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!


Any recipes for crappie minnows?;-))
--

Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0s...eature=related

Billy[_4_] 03-05-2008 07:21 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article ,
"Dioclese" NONE wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Laura at theGardenPages wrote:

I know, I hate to see all that water to down the drain too! I've used
my laundry water for the lawn and shrubs with no problem. I haven't
tried it on veggies.

If you use boi-degradeable SOAP not detergent you can use the wash
water. The rinse water is fine by you have to be careful about that
fabric softener.

Plus, deep watering is better for shrubs than a sprinkling anyway.
Good for you!


Perfect storm indeed. We had good rain Nov. to March and then the driest
March-April ever. We are looking at sever water rationing at the same
time the price of food is skyrocketing. I think I need a water tank.
--

Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0s...eature=related


All my piped wastewater goes to the leech field via the septic tank. Due to
the low permeability of my local soil, I opted for an above ground leech
field. It the size of a very large putting green. Soil depth is too deep
to have any concern of grass rootage affecting the leech piping. But, at
the same time, enough water is drained to keep the grass from drying out in
drought periods...


My problem is that the garden is up-hill from my grey water. I have a
pump and hoses. I think a twenty - thirty gallon tank on my garage
(above the gardens) is basically all I need. That, and information on
which laundry and dish washing compounds are safe with my plants.
--

Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0s...eature=related

Jan Flora 03-05-2008 07:37 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article
,
Sheldon wrote:

Jan Flora wrote:

Get some food-grade poly drums and set them up to catch
the rainwater from the downspouts on your house.


Why would food grade drums be necessary for catching rain water
running off a non food grade roof... to do what... pour on the non
food grade ground. Am I missing something, or why wouldn't an
ordinary plastic trash can be suitable?

You can buy low quality for like $10-$15 but they will decay from UV
exposure and probably crack from freezing temps.

I have two of these, excellent quality: http://tinyurl.com/79bqf

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...994-1097-8632-
92/20&lpage=none


We use those barrels to catch potable water at our cabins. If you set
them so the first rain of the season doesn't go into the barrel, the
dust gets washed off roof.

A plastic garbage can degrades from UV a lot faster than a poly drum.
And you have to pay for a garbage can. We get our poly drums for free.

Jan

Jonno[_6_] 03-05-2008 11:38 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
Omelet wrote:
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.
That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?

Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.


But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!

Trout are also a good alternative, but it rooly depends on the size of
the tank.
Mossies are not really problem. Just put in some fly screens mesh (in
the tank stoopid) not in the windows.
Really some people have no imagination, and neither have they got a
sense of humus...er humour? you git my vote omelet. Bacon with that?

Omelet[_4_] 04-05-2008 06:49 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article ,
"Dioclese" NONE wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Laura at theGardenPages wrote:

I know, I hate to see all that water to down the drain too! I've used
my laundry water for the lawn and shrubs with no problem. I haven't
tried it on veggies.

If you use boi-degradeable SOAP not detergent you can use the wash
water. The rinse water is fine by you have to be careful about that
fabric softener.

Plus, deep watering is better for shrubs than a sprinkling anyway.
Good for you!


Perfect storm indeed. We had good rain Nov. to March and then the driest
March-April ever. We are looking at sever water rationing at the same
time the price of food is skyrocketing. I think I need a water tank.
--

Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0s...eature=related


All my piped wastewater goes to the leech field via the septic tank. Due to
the low permeability of my local soil, I opted for an above ground leech
field. It the size of a very large putting green. Soil depth is too deep
to have any concern of grass rootage affecting the leech piping. But, at
the same time, enough water is drained to keep the grass from drying out in
drought periods...


And I'll bet it's REALLY green! :-)
--
--

Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

Omelet[_4_] 04-05-2008 06:49 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.

That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.


But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!


Any recipes for crappie minnows?;-))


Just eat 'em whole! Sushi.

g
--
--

Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

Omelet[_4_] 04-05-2008 06:51 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Omelet wrote:
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.
That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.


But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!


Trout are also a good alternative, but it rooly depends on the size of
the tank.
Mossies are not really problem. Just put in some fly screens mesh (in
the tank stoopid) not in the windows.
Really some people have no imagination, and neither have they got a
sense of humus...er humour? you git my vote omelet. Bacon with that?


Indeed... Gotta fry the fish in bacon grease. ;-d

A little veggie or mineral oil on top of the water kills skeeter larvae
too.
--
--

Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

FarmI 04-05-2008 07:24 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
"enigma" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in
"enigma" wrote in message

lee contemplating windmills


What are you contemplating windmills for? To pump water
from your well?


electricty generation. i'm on a ridge & there is always some
breeze. i don't expect to make money, but if i can offset the
US$300+/month in electric bills a little, i'd be happy.


What a co-incidence! Today my husband and I went to a Festival in a small
village reasonably near us. Dear, scruffy little village just off the
highway and we have often stopped there to go to the loo in the village park
rather than use the disgusting overused toilet facilities available on the
highway rest areas/clip joints. The last few times we'd been there we'd
noticed a couple of small electric generating windmills on one particualr
house along with a solar array.

Today we specifically went for a walk so we could check out this house and
it's set up as I was hoping to be able to read a name on the windmills -
sadly nothing but a coat of paint. It been a very still, gorgeous Autumn
day, with what we thought was no breze but these little guys were still
turning and still generating - they were impressive.



Jonno[_6_] 04-05-2008 10:12 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
FarmI wrote:
"enigma" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in
"enigma" wrote in message

lee contemplating windmills
What are you contemplating windmills for? To pump water
from your well?

electricty generation. i'm on a ridge & there is always some
breeze. i don't expect to make money, but if i can offset the
US$300+/month in electric bills a little, i'd be happy.


What a co-incidence! Today my husband and I went to a Festival in a small
village reasonably near us. Dear, scruffy little village just off the
highway and we have often stopped there to go to the loo in the village park
rather than use the disgusting overused toilet facilities available on the
highway rest areas/clip joints. The last few times we'd been there we'd
noticed a couple of small electric generating windmills on one particualr
house along with a solar array.

Today we specifically went for a walk so we could check out this house and
it's set up as I was hoping to be able to read a name on the windmills -
sadly nothing but a coat of paint. It been a very still, gorgeous Autumn
day, with what we thought was no breze but these little guys were still
turning and still generating - they were impressive.


Ye gods a toilet inspector. Also a wind expert, and now a electrical
name inspector. And a commentator. What will they think of next...

Jonno[_6_] 04-05-2008 10:13 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
Omelet wrote:
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Omelet wrote:
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.
That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.
But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!

Trout are also a good alternative, but it rooly depends on the size of
the tank.
Mossies are not really problem. Just put in some fly screens mesh (in
the tank stoopid) not in the windows.
Really some people have no imagination, and neither have they got a
sense of humus...er humour? you git my vote omelet. Bacon with that?


Indeed... Gotta fry the fish in bacon grease. ;-d

A little veggie or mineral oil on top of the water kills skeeter larvae
too.

Yup, and kerosene works even better. Wonder what it does to the plants
though.

Omelet[_4_] 04-05-2008 10:20 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Omelet wrote:
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Omelet wrote:
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.
That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.
But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!
Trout are also a good alternative, but it rooly depends on the size of
the tank.
Mossies are not really problem. Just put in some fly screens mesh (in
the tank stoopid) not in the windows.
Really some people have no imagination, and neither have they got a
sense of humus...er humour? you git my vote omelet. Bacon with that?


Indeed... Gotta fry the fish in bacon grease. ;-d

A little veggie or mineral oil on top of the water kills skeeter larvae
too.

Yup, and kerosene works even better. Wonder what it does to the plants
though.


That is why I suggested a neutral oil. g

All it does is prevent them from breathing so they suffocate.
--
--

Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

Jonno[_6_] 04-05-2008 10:40 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
Omelet wrote:
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Omelet wrote:
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Omelet wrote:
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.
That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.
But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!
Trout are also a good alternative, but it rooly depends on the size of
the tank.
Mossies are not really problem. Just put in some fly screens mesh (in
the tank stoopid) not in the windows.
Really some people have no imagination, and neither have they got a
sense of humus...er humour? you git my vote omelet. Bacon with that?
Indeed... Gotta fry the fish in bacon grease. ;-d

A little veggie or mineral oil on top of the water kills skeeter larvae
too.

Yup, and kerosene works even better. Wonder what it does to the plants
though.


That is why I suggested a neutral oil. g

All it does is prevent them from breathing so they suffocate.

Yah, I was thinking to fry the little critters (g)
You are so cruel. Fire is faster. Dont take much to give dem fish lung
cancer...

Omelet[_4_] 04-05-2008 11:33 AM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Omelet wrote:
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Omelet wrote:
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Omelet wrote:
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.
That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always
eat
them when they grow big enough.
But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!


Trout are also a good alternative, but it rooly depends on the size of
the tank.
Mossies are not really problem. Just put in some fly screens mesh (in
the tank stoopid) not in the windows.
Really some people have no imagination, and neither have they got a
sense of humus...er humour? you git my vote omelet. Bacon with that?
Indeed... Gotta fry the fish in bacon grease. ;-d

A little veggie or mineral oil on top of the water kills skeeter larvae
too.
Yup, and kerosene works even better. Wonder what it does to the plants
though.


That is why I suggested a neutral oil. g

All it does is prevent them from breathing so they suffocate.


Yah, I was thinking to fry the little critters (g)
You are so cruel. Fire is faster. Dont take much to give dem fish lung
cancer...


In that case... see above.
Peanut oil is good too. Coat the fishies lightly in spiced up corn
starch and DEEP FRY!
Bacon grease. ;-D
--
--

Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

enigma 04-05-2008 01:33 PM

Grey laundry water for garden watering?
 
Jonno wrote in
u:

FarmI wrote:
"enigma" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in
"enigma" wrote in message

lee contemplating windmills
What are you contemplating windmills for? To pump water
from your well?
electricty generation. i'm on a ridge & there is always
some breeze. i don't expect to make money, but if i can
offset the US$300+/month in electric bills a little, i'd
be happy.


What a co-incidence! Today my husband and I went to a
Festival in a small village reasonably near us. Dear,
scruffy little village just off the highway and we have
often stopped there to go to the loo in the village park
rather than use the disgusting overused toilet facilities
available on the highway rest areas/clip joints. The last
few times we'd been there we'd noticed a couple of small
electric generating windmills on one particualr house
along with a solar array.

Today we specifically went for a walk so we could check
out this house and it's set up as I was hoping to be able
to read a name on the windmills - sadly nothing but a coat
of paint. It been a very still, gorgeous Autumn day, with
what we thought was no breze but these little guys were
still turning and still generating - they were impressive.


Ye gods a toilet inspector. Also a wind expert, and now a
electrical name inspector. And a commentator. What will
they think of next...


ye gods! an inane commentator adding nothing to the convo.

yes, the small windmills don't need a whole lot of breeze. 4-
6kph is enough. we get that fairly steady most of the year (&
higher frequently). i guess it makes up for this latitude's
low sun angle ;)
BTW, Fran, could you pop me off an email? i have some cancer
questions for you.
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.


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