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[IBC] Non organic Yamadori soil
Hi,
I have 6 realy nice and huge yamadori I am going to make and I want to pot them in fast growing soil. For this I want to use a non-organic soil, using fertilizer cake and water with fish emulsion. I don't mind watering 3 times a day. Like in this post: http://internetbonsaiclub.org/compon...133/topic,5966 ..0/ Here in Canada I can't find any pumice, haydite. I have this: - Hard Akadama (double line brand) - Turface - River sand - Virginia pine bark (wich I won't use for my non-organic soil) What do you suggest? I could get perlite. Maybe I could get black lava rock. but with difficulties. Thank you, Michel ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Mon Ami:
If you want a source for haydite, contact http://www.youkoubonsai.com/ and tell Keith I sent you. However, the mix that you are suggesting, Hard Akadama (double line brand), Turface, River sand, and Virginia pine bark should be fine. Equal parts of each should work well. If you are going to use this mix with fertilizer cakes, be certain to lightly rake the surface of the root pad once every 2-3 weeks to ensure water penetration. I would suggest that you not use lava stone or perlite for bonsai culture. Cordially, Michael Persiano members.aol.com/iasnob -----Original Message----- From: Michel Bourgeois To: Sent: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:50:06 -0400 Subject: [IBC] Non organic Yamadori soil Hi, I have 6 realy nice and huge yamadori I am going to make and I want to pot them in fast growing soil. For this I want to use a non-organic soil, using fertilizer cake and water with fish emulsion. I don't mind watering 3 times a day. Like in this post: http://internetbonsaiclub.org/compon...133/topic,5966 ..0/ Here in Canada I can't find any pumice, haydite. I have this: - Hard Akadama (double line brand) - Turface - River sand - Virginia pine bark (wich I won't use for my non-organic soil) What do you suggest? I could get perlite. Maybe I could get black lava rock. but with difficulties. Thank you, Michel ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Hi,
While you're discussing soil, I wonder what you would think about using Oil Dri in a bonsai mix. I read somewhere somebody recommended it. Also, what sand is appropriate? I've only found "all-purpose" sand at hardware stores. I thought I would need something fairly coarse. Thanks, Steve Philadelphia, Pa On Tuesday, September 27, 2005, at 10:23AM, Michael Persiano wrote: Mon Ami: If you want a source for haydite, contact http://www.youkoubonsai.com/ and tell Keith I sent you. However, the mix that you are suggesting, Hard Akadama (double line brand), Turface, River sand, and Virginia pine bark should be fine. Equal parts of each should work well. If you are going to use this mix with fertilizer cakes, be certain to lightly rake the surface of the root pad once every 2-3 weeks to ensure water penetration. I would suggest that you not use lava stone or perlite for bonsai culture. Cordially, Michael Persiano members.aol.com/iasnob -----Original Message----- From: Michel Bourgeois To: Sent: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:50:06 -0400 Subject: [IBC] Non organic Yamadori soil Hi, I have 6 realy nice and huge yamadori I am going to make and I want to pot them in fast growing soil. For this I want to use a non-organic soil, using fertilizer cake and water with fish emulsion. I don't mind watering 3 times a day. Like in this post: http://internetbonsaiclub.org/compon...133/topic,5966 .0/ Here in Canada I can't find any pumice, haydite. I have this: - Hard Akadama (double line brand) - Turface - River sand - Virginia pine bark (wich I won't use for my non-organic soil) What do you suggest? I could get perlite. Maybe I could get black lava rock. but with difficulties. Thank you, Michel ************************************************* ******************************* ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************* ******************************* -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************* ******************************* ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************* ******************************* -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Steven Peterson wrote:
Hi, While you're discussing soil, I wonder what you would think about using Oil Dri in a bonsai mix. I read somewhere somebody recommended it. Many folks use Oil Dri; I've heard reports that it (like some Kitty Litters) is of mixed quality and that some of it turns into goo on occasion. Also, what sand is appropriate? I've only found "all-purpose" sand at hardware stores. I thought I would need something fairly coarse. Coarse sand blasting sand is OK. Swimming pool filter sand in the coarser sizes (if you can find it these days) also works. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Michael Persiano wrote:
River sand, and Virginia pine bark should be fine. Equal parts of each should work well. If you are going to use this mix with fertilizer cakes, be certain to lightly rake the surface of the root pad once every 2-3 weeks to ensure water penetration. I would suggest that you not use lava stone or perlite for bonsai culture. Hi Michael may I ask why not to use lava stone ? what do you mean by lava stone, the light floating pumice or the pouzzolane that is more coarse and heavy ? thanks |
Michael:
Should I use pine bark? Because I don't want any organic in the soil... so if you tell me to use barks there certainly a good raison. Thank you, Michel Michael Persiano wrote: River sand, and Virginia pine bark should be fine. Equal parts of each should work well. If you are going to use this mix with fertilizer cakes, be certain to lightly rake the surface of the root pad once every 2-3 weeks to ensure water penetration. I would suggest that you not use lava stone or perlite for bonsai culture. Hi Michael may I ask why not to use lava stone ? what do you mean by lava stone, the light floating pumice or the pouzzolane that is more coarse and heavy ? thanks ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
On Sep 27, 2005, at 3:13 PM, Michael Persiano wrote:
I have had many individuals bring me trees with root zone problems related to the "fines" in lava stone-based soil mixes. The "fines" seem to create drainage problems. For this reason, I am not an advocate of the reddish lava stone mixes that I have seen. Red (or, less commonly, brown, or black) lava is a common ingredient in bonsai soils used in Northern California. I agree that the fines will cause problems, but once they are screened out or washed away, the stone doesn't break down further. ( I use a hose & nozzle to spray my 5/16 lava over a screen, one shovel full at a time. Jim ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Michael,
I'm not sure what sort of lava-stone based mixes you have seen, but I and most others around here use the red lava rock as our primary soil ingredient. Once it has been screened, as one must do with most soil mix ingredients, it has no more fines than anything else. The remaining fines are a function of the size of screen one uses. I find red lava rock to be a quite satisfactory soil component, whether used straight, or in combination with other ingredients. Regards, Roger Snipes Spokane, WA. USA. Zone 5-ish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Persiano" I have had many individuals bring me trees with root zone problems related to the "fines" in lava stone-based soil mixes. The "fines" seem to create drainage problems. For this reason, I am not an advocate of the reddish lava stone mixes that I have seen. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
In a message dated 9/27/2005 6:38:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Michael: Should I use pine bark? Because I don't want any organic in the soil... so if you tell me to use barks there certainly a good raison. Thank you, Michel Michel: I would consider using organic content, such as bark. Organics provide a continuous supply of nutrients OVER TIME. They serve as a source of nitrogen and trace elements, and, in the case of bonsai culture, contribute to the soil structure. However, if you decide not to use bark, I suggest that you add some organic content in the form of fertilizer cakes to ensure a constant, so release of nutrients to your bonsai. In addition, consider adding frequent feedings of a chemical fertilizer (20-20-20) to push growth with immature specimens, i.e., those that have yet to achieve your design objectives. Cordially, Michael Persiano members.aol.com/iasnob ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
In a message dated 9/27/2005 9:15:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes: I use a hose & nozzle to spray my 5/16 lava over a screen, one shovel full at a time. Jim Jim: As mentioned, I have been on the receiving end of bonsai that have suffered as a result of not removing the fines. I yield to your experience in CA. I would add that growing trees in the northeastern US can present additional challenges, particularly if the soil does not nearly dry out on a daily basis during the growing season. For this reason, I always suggest that practitioners consult local bonsai clubs to determine what soil mixes work best in their particular areas. Cordially, Michael Persiano members.aol.com/iasnob ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
In a message dated 9/27/2005 9:51:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Michael, I'm not sure what sort of lava-stone based mixes you have seen, but I and most others around here use the red lava rock as our primary soil ingredient. Once it has been screened, as one must do with most soil mix ingredients, it has no more fines than anything else. The remaining fines are a function of the size of screen one uses. I find red lava rock to be a quite satisfactory soil component, whether used straight, or in combination with other ingredients. Regards, Roger Snipes Spokane, WA. USA. Zone 5-ish Soil composition and soil appearance are critical factors for me. Turface, bark, haydite, and coarse sand are used with all of my trees with the exception of my Japanese Pines, which are potted in pure soft Akadama. All soils are screened prior to potting. As stated, I have only seen the bad side of using unscreened lava stone. As for soil appearance, my preference is to use more neutral soil colors for inclusion in my bonsai photography for books and magazines. This is not at all related to soil function. Those of you who use lava stone successfully should stay with what works for you in your own environments. If it works, don't fix it. );-) Cordially, Michael Persiano members.aol.com/iasnob ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Michael Persiano wrote:
Hi Michael Tiziano: I have had many individuals bring me trees with root zone problems related to the "fines" in lava stone-based soil mixes. The "fines" seem to create drainage problems. rught in fact for yamadory some people of teh Vesuvio region use *dirty lava* that is mived with dust and so on and use in well drained containers otherwise has to be sifted exactly as Akadama For this reason, I am not an advocate of the reddish lava stone mixes that I have seen. well in Italy and france as have some problems with aka prices and imports , I personally realize that aka even best quality. because of our climate needs to be watered more often than usual and has a tendency to brittle and become dusty I have not used or seen possolana, but I understand that it is chestnut to gray in color, porous, and fast draining. right I use 4-5 mm grade and feel very happy as I can rececle it after having washed and sterilized http://www.agricola2000.it/ small pic on the right This sounds like it might be a good component for soil mixes. well I appreciate a lot as coarse good retenmtion /release and aeration of the soils and in mix with sequoia bark is fine best regards Tiziano THEO Chiunque puo diventare con la pratica Maestro in Qualsiasi Cosa A.B Dixit http://groups.google.it/group/free.it.arte.bonsai http://www.easybonsai.altervista.org/ |
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I have looked this morning in Bonsai Today no. 88 about river sans and I understand than this is not river sand than I have but regular sand. So, it is heavier. Is there a chance it will crush, because of the wait? I hate being Canadian!!! I can't find any real river sand, pumice or haydite in this big hole!!! (Sorry, I just took 2 coffees this morning... I think I need 2 extras! Lol) Example?: I will pay my cottonseed 18us$ and it will cost me 40us$ shipping!!! Michel -----Message d'origine----- De*: Internet Bonsai Club ] De la part de Michael Persiano Envoyé*: 27 septembre 2005 13:23 À*: Objet*: [IBC] Non organic Yamadori soil Mon Ami: If you want a source for haydite, contact http://www.youkoubonsai.com/ and tell Keith I sent you. However, the mix that you are suggesting, Hard Akadama (double line brand), Turface, River sand, and Virginia pine bark should be fine. Equal parts of each should work well. If you are going to use this mix with fertilizer cakes, be certain to lightly rake the surface of the root pad once every 2-3 weeks to ensure water penetration. I would suggest that you not use lava stone or perlite for bonsai culture. Cordially, Michael Persiano members.aol.com/iasnob -----Original Message----- From: Michel Bourgeois To: Sent: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:50:06 -0400 Subject: [IBC] Non organic Yamadori soil Hi, I have 6 realy nice and huge yamadori I am going to make and I want to pot them in fast growing soil. For this I want to use a non-organic soil, using fertilizer cake and water with fish emulsion. I don't mind watering 3 times a day. Like in this post: http://internetbonsaiclub.org/compon...133/topic,5966 ..0/ Here in Canada I can't find any pumice, haydite. I have this: - Hard Akadama (double line brand) - Turface - River sand - Virginia pine bark (wich I won't use for my non-organic soil) What do you suggest? I could get perlite. Maybe I could get black lava rock. but with difficulties. Thank you, Michel ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Hi All,
I recently purchased an azalea, a japanese holly, and a chinese elm from nurseries. They are still in their nursery pots. I'm assuming that I shouldn't repot until spring, but what should I do with them until then? Should I plant them in my garden? If so, would it help to make a plastic tent to protect them for the coldest nights? I think I want the holly and azalea to thicken a bit, so planting may be best, but I may the elm I may want to pot in the spring. Will it survive in a shed over the winter? Thanks, Steve Philadelphia, Pa ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Bob Pastorio++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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