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09-08-2003, 02:36 PM
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[IBC] Hardwood forest planting
Looking for suggestion for a mixed forest.
Which species? How many species and how many of each? I was thinking Hornbeam/Trident Maple? Alan Zucker zone 6b You're never to old to learn. You can learn from both beginner and expert. __________________________________________________ _______________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy...n.asp?cid=3963 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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09-08-2003, 02:36 PM
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[IBC] Hardwood forest planting
There is the family version of doing a forest where
the patriarch is the biggest tree and his "family" surrounds him being positioned as to their relationship. So if the tridents "marry" into the Hornbeam family, you would have your answer on how to mix them...or not. Forests are always an odd number of trees. Quantity depends on whether you are looking at a forest close up (pot jammed full) or viewing from a distance (see the space between the trees). Note that a mixed planting is not considered "Traditional". The idea is to concentrate on the similarity of the trees to show off composition rather than tree differences. Another way would be to show one type as the main tree and another type as the under growth. Kitsune Miko --- Alan Zucker wrote: Looking for suggestion for a mixed forest. Which species? How many species and how many of each? I was thinking Hornbeam/Trident Maple? Alan Zucker zone 6b You're never to old to learn. You can learn from both beginner and expert. __________________________________________________ _______________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy...n.asp?cid=3963 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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09-08-2003, 02:36 PM
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[IBC] Hardwood forest planting
I'm not saying it can't be done, but .... I've never a convincing one. In
a forest, trees usally grow in clumps - 100 oaks, 50 pines, 200 birch, etc. In addition, trees which like the same soil conditions tend to grow together. Here on Long Island, you'll find Pinus rigida growing together with scrub oak because they both like sandy, acid soil. So you have to take that into consideration when planning a mixed forest. You don't want a redwood growing next to Norway spruce. You also have to consider the landscape features. Some trees like to seed themselves among rocks, while others like open fields. Some like river banks (willows), while others like cliffs (P. Thunbergia). Finally, you need to think about the total forest picture. In nature, some trees grow best on the edges of forests ( dogwood, andromeda, mountain laurel) while others grow straight up in the middle (Lodgepole pine). When you're all through, you have to put all your planning into a tray of about 18" or 24". I guess that's why I haven't seen any mixed forests that hit me in the solar plexus. Marty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Zucker" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:46 AM Subject: [IBC] Hardwood forest planting Looking for suggestion for a mixed forest. Which species? How many species and how many of each? I was thinking Hornbeam/Trident Maple? Alan Zucker zone 6b You're never to old to learn. You can learn from both beginner and expert. __________________________________________________ _______________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy...n.asp?cid=3963 ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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09-08-2003, 02:36 PM
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[IBC] Hardwood forest planting
--- Alan Zucker wrote:
Looking for suggestion for a mixed forest. Which species? How many species and how many of each? I was thinking Hornbeam/Trident Maple? There is the family version of doing a forest where the patriarch is the biggest tree and his "family" surrounds him being positioned as to their relationship. So if the tridents "marry" into the Hornbeam family, you would have your answer on how to mix them...or not. Forests are always an odd number of trees. Quantity depends on whether you are looking at a forest close up (pot jammed full) or viewing from a distance (see the space between the trees). Note that a mixed planting is not considered "Traditional". The idea is to concentrate on the similarity of the trees to show off composition rather than tree differences. Another way would be to show one type as the main tree and another type as the under growth. Kitsune Miko As Marty notes in another message, it's often hard to get a mixed forest to look "right." Part of this is probably bonsai tradition (we're used to single-species forests) and part of this is the biological fact that all species don't grow at the same rate or in the same way. In a mixed forest, one species is almost bound to outgrow the others. Assuming you want the look of an even-age forest, disparate growing rates can be a problem. They are rare (but not totally unheard of) in Japanese bonsai, and more common in Chinese penjing, though the Chinese groupings (that I have seen) are usually rather sparsely planted and usually mix a conifer and a deciduous or flowering tree. Usually, I think, you still will want a preponderance of one species, perhaps with the major tree and one other small one being of the different species. Then you will want trees that will both take the same watering and fertilization regime, and that can both stand the same amount of sun (which would eliminate trident maples from almost any planting where I am), etc. This can be a difficult feat also. Both the Audubon and the Peterson nature field guides have guides to various environments in North America. These will tell you which trees tend to grow together in nature; around my area, the typical climax vegetation for broadleafed trees is beech-magnolia, or oak-hickory-beech-magnolia. Understory trees would include hophornbeam (drier sites) hornbeam (in damp sites), American red maple (damp), and American holly (dry). Dry sites also would have a liberal sprinkling of loblolly pine. You might look for one of these in your local library (I've never found a reason to buy one ;-). Have fun. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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10-08-2003, 05:22 AM
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[IBC] Hardwood forest planting
I remember seeing a nice mixed hardwood forest in the US National Collection
that was being pruned last weekend. I don't remember if it was in the North American or the Japanese pavilion - although I lean towards the NA. Marty ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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19-08-2003, 03:42 AM
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[IBC] Hardwood forest planting
Mixed forests aren't that rare. I saw several in my trips to Japan. Saburo Kato's book
Forest, Rock Planting and Ezo Spruse Bonsai have photos of three nice one. Rob Kempinski Melbourne, Fl ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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