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[IBC] Mica Pots
Ireneu: Mica pots are an inexpensive (usually) substitute for ceramic
bonsai pots. It is acceptable to use them in all but the more formal exhibits. They are not preferable to ceramic containers, but their lower price and durability do make them attractive alternatives. They will not damage your tree any more than any other kind of bonsai pot might. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- From: Ireneu Castillo Hello All! I'm interested to buy a big pot for one tree, but ceramic pots are too expensive and then I had thought in mica pots, because they are cheaper than ceramics. It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I damage the tree? Thank you a lot! -Ireneu- ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ireneu Castillo" Hello All! I'm interested to buy a big pot for one tree, but ceramic pots are too expensive and then I had thought in mica pots, because they are cheaper than ceramics. ---------------------- Excellent choice for economy's sake and for training. ---------------------- It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I damage the tree? Thank you a lot! -Ireneu- ---------------------- Of course you can damage the tree - but not by use of mica pots. Mica pots are great pots for training and they don't look half bad, either. Go for it, save a buck and get a good pot. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm zone 8, Texas ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Andy Rutledge wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ireneu Castillo" Hello All! I'm interested to buy a big pot for one tree, but ceramic pots are too expensive and then I had thought in mica pots, because they are cheaper than ceramics. ---------------------- Excellent choice for economy's sake and for training. ---------------------- It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I damage the tree? Thank you a lot! -Ireneu- ---------------------- Of course you can damage the tree - but not by use of mica pots. Mica pots are great pots for training and they don't look half bad, either. Go for it, save a buck and get a good pot. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm zone 8, Texas I use mica pots for training, as one step up from a wooden box. For instance, I've got a really fat honeysuckle that's over a century old that I collected last year. It's in a 24" mica pot now, which makes it at least somewhat portable, as much as a tree that size can be portable. After another couple of years I think it's going to go into a ceramic pot. The way I'm looking at it, I 'm not going to spend a lot of money on a big ceramic pot and then discover that it either isn't right for the tree, or the tree isn't worthy of the pot. For me, I'd wait on a large ceramic pot until I really felt the tree was ready for it. For most cases, as Alan Walker noted in a separate email, many exhibits even allow them. Go for the mica for now, and save up for the ceramic pot once the tree has had a few years in training and you have a better idea what it's going to look like, and as a result, you'll have a much better idea what size and shape pot will work for it. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
They are not preferable to ceramic containers, but their
lower price and durability do make them attractive alternatives. One major advantage of mica pots, in my humble opinion, is the weight factor. I have found this to be an advantage especially on larger pots. Nic ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Thank you, Andy
I'm from Barcelona (Catalonia-Spain), and here we have a lot of heat and sun in summer. I had heard that some people had problems with mica pots because they absorb more heat than ceramic due to his black colour. It's really this? -Ireneu- Andy Rutledge wrote: Of course you can damage the tree - but not by use of mica pots. Mica pots are great pots for training and they don't look half bad, either. Go for it, save a buck and get a good pot. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm zone 8, Texas |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Thank you, Andy
I'm from Barcelona (Catalonia-Spain), and here we have a lot of heat and sun in summer. I had heard that some people had problems with mica pots because they absorb more heat than ceramic due to his black colour. It's really this? -Ireneu- Andy Rutledge wrote: Of course you can damage the tree - but not by use of mica pots. Mica pots are great pots for training and they don't look half bad, either. Go for it, save a buck and get a good pot. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm zone 8, Texas |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Thanks Billy!
Well... it's for one olive wood, I think that I need one pot 20" long. -Ireneu- "Billy M. Rhodes" wrote: In a message dated 1/25/2004 7:14:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes: It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I damage the tree? You will not damage the tree. Some bonsai shows will not allow mica pots to be used for trees on display, but they are a good solution for someone looking for a larger, less expensive pot. However, if your tree is worth it, think about saving up for the right ceramic pot. Some of the Chinese pots are very good looking and fairly reasonable in price. How big a pot do you need? Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention May 28 - 31, 2004 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Sponsored by The Bonsai Society of Brevard and the Treasure Coast Bonsai Society http://www.bonsaisocietyofbrevard.org/2004/2004.html ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Nicolas Steenhout wrote:
They are not preferable to ceramic containers, but their lower price and durability do make them attractive alternatives. One major advantage of mica pots, in my humble opinion, is the weight factor. I have found this to be an advantage especially on larger pots. Nic No question about it--and this is certainly a factor when a tree is in training, as you might be more likely to move a tree around to work on it. On the other hand, when a tree is fairly well established you're going to be more likely to show it, so I guess it's the same. The big honeysuckle I mentioned in a previous post is just moveable by myself in a mica pot. By comparison, I have an apple tree in an oval 20" pot, ceramic, that is smaller in size and half as deep, and they probably weigh abou the same. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Hi all...
Here's a question to prolong this thread ..... Why are mica pots not preferred show containers? All my trees are in training (in mica pots), so I'm not overly concerned about purchasing a fancy ceramic pot, but I still can't figure out why mica isn't an accepted container for display. Mine look good. (at least I think so) Is it simply because ceramic pots cost much more, therefore they must be better ? Sounds a bit snooty to me !! Mark Hill - Harrisburg PA - Zone 7 (buried in snow !!) ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Thank you, Andy
I'm from Barcelona (Catalonia-Spain), and here we have a lot of heat and sun in summer. I had heard that some people had problems with mica pots because they absorb more heat than ceramic due to his black colour. It's really this? -Ireneu- Andy Rutledge wrote: Of course you can damage the tree - but not by use of mica pots. Mica pots are great pots for training and they don't look half bad, either. Go for it, save a buck and get a good pot. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm zone 8, Texas |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Thank you, Andy
I'm from Barcelona (Catalonia-Spain), and here we have a lot of heat and sun in summer. I had heard that some people had problems with mica pots because they absorb more heat than ceramic due to his black colour. It's really this? -Ireneu- Andy Rutledge wrote: Of course you can damage the tree - but not by use of mica pots. Mica pots are great pots for training and they don't look half bad, either. Go for it, save a buck and get a good pot. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm zone 8, Texas |
[IBC] Mica Pots
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ireneu Castillo" Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots I'm interested to buy a big pot for one tree, but ceramic pots are too expensive and then I had thought in mica pots, because they are cheaper than ceramics. It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I damage the tree? Thank you a lot! -Ireneu- Mica pots have been a great help for your average bonsai guy, especially if he is collecting/growing large specimens. The large pots are a fraction of cost of Japanese. They will not crack in winter or ( real nice) won't fad in sun. ( I do have trouble with squirrels sharpening teeth by gnawing edges though). You can drill for wire hold downs if you wish. You can wipe mineral oil on/off and they look great and from a few feet away you can't tell hardly from unglazed Japanese, But, now there are some GREAT nicely made, quality Chinese pots made just as large as largest Mica rect, oval, drums at about the same cost. I saw/bought some at Brussels. Real nice stuff. Also check Cass Bonsai for big unglazed chinese pots. Regards, Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com Specializing in power wood carving tools. Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Thank you, Andy
I'm from Barcelona (Catalonia-Spain), and here we have a lot of heat and sun in summer. I had heard that some people had problems with mica pots because they absorb more heat than ceramic due to his black colour. It's really this? -Ireneu- Andy Rutledge wrote: Of course you can damage the tree - but not by use of mica pots. Mica pots are great pots for training and they don't look half bad, either. Go for it, save a buck and get a good pot. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm zone 8, Texas |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Thanks Billy!
Well... it's for one olive wood, I think that I need one pot 20" long. -Ireneu- "Billy M. Rhodes" wrote: In a message dated 1/25/2004 7:14:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes: It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I damage the tree? You will not damage the tree. Some bonsai shows will not allow mica pots to be used for trees on display, but they are a good solution for someone looking for a larger, less expensive pot. However, if your tree is worth it, think about saving up for the right ceramic pot. Some of the Chinese pots are very good looking and fairly reasonable in price. How big a pot do you need? Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention May 28 - 31, 2004 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Sponsored by The Bonsai Society of Brevard and the Treasure Coast Bonsai Society http://www.bonsaisocietyofbrevard.org/2004/2004.html ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Thanks Billy!
Well... it's for one olive wood, I think that I need one pot 20" long. -Ireneu- "Billy M. Rhodes" wrote: In a message dated 1/25/2004 7:14:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes: It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I damage the tree? You will not damage the tree. Some bonsai shows will not allow mica pots to be used for trees on display, but they are a good solution for someone looking for a larger, less expensive pot. However, if your tree is worth it, think about saving up for the right ceramic pot. Some of the Chinese pots are very good looking and fairly reasonable in price. How big a pot do you need? Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention May 28 - 31, 2004 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Sponsored by The Bonsai Society of Brevard and the Treasure Coast Bonsai Society http://www.bonsaisocietyofbrevard.org/2004/2004.html ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Thanks Billy!
Well... it's for one olive wood, I think that I need one pot 20" long. -Ireneu- "Billy M. Rhodes" wrote: In a message dated 1/25/2004 7:14:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes: It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I damage the tree? You will not damage the tree. Some bonsai shows will not allow mica pots to be used for trees on display, but they are a good solution for someone looking for a larger, less expensive pot. However, if your tree is worth it, think about saving up for the right ceramic pot. Some of the Chinese pots are very good looking and fairly reasonable in price. How big a pot do you need? Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention May 28 - 31, 2004 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Sponsored by The Bonsai Society of Brevard and the Treasure Coast Bonsai Society http://www.bonsaisocietyofbrevard.org/2004/2004.html ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Nicolas Steenhout wrote:
They are not preferable to ceramic containers, but their lower price and durability do make them attractive alternatives. One major advantage of mica pots, in my humble opinion, is the weight factor. I have found this to be an advantage especially on larger pots. Nic No question about it--and this is certainly a factor when a tree is in training, as you might be more likely to move a tree around to work on it. On the other hand, when a tree is fairly well established you're going to be more likely to show it, so I guess it's the same. The big honeysuckle I mentioned in a previous post is just moveable by myself in a mica pot. By comparison, I have an apple tree in an oval 20" pot, ceramic, that is smaller in size and half as deep, and they probably weigh abou the same. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Nicolas Steenhout wrote:
They are not preferable to ceramic containers, but their lower price and durability do make them attractive alternatives. One major advantage of mica pots, in my humble opinion, is the weight factor. I have found this to be an advantage especially on larger pots. Nic No question about it--and this is certainly a factor when a tree is in training, as you might be more likely to move a tree around to work on it. On the other hand, when a tree is fairly well established you're going to be more likely to show it, so I guess it's the same. The big honeysuckle I mentioned in a previous post is just moveable by myself in a mica pot. By comparison, I have an apple tree in an oval 20" pot, ceramic, that is smaller in size and half as deep, and they probably weigh abou the same. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Nicolas Steenhout wrote:
They are not preferable to ceramic containers, but their lower price and durability do make them attractive alternatives. One major advantage of mica pots, in my humble opinion, is the weight factor. I have found this to be an advantage especially on larger pots. Nic No question about it--and this is certainly a factor when a tree is in training, as you might be more likely to move a tree around to work on it. On the other hand, when a tree is fairly well established you're going to be more likely to show it, so I guess it's the same. The big honeysuckle I mentioned in a previous post is just moveable by myself in a mica pot. By comparison, I have an apple tree in an oval 20" pot, ceramic, that is smaller in size and half as deep, and they probably weigh abou the same. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
I have used many mica pots, but so far I found no problem with the tree.
Budi ----- Original Message ----- From: Ireneu Castillo To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:01 AM Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots Hello All! I'm interested to buy a big pot for one tree, but ceramic pots are too expensive and then I had thought in mica pots, because they are cheaper than ceramics. It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I damage the tree? Thank you a lot! -Ireneu- ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Hi all...
Here's a question to prolong this thread ..... Why are mica pots not preferred show containers? All my trees are in training (in mica pots), so I'm not overly concerned about purchasing a fancy ceramic pot, but I still can't figure out why mica isn't an accepted container for display. Mine look good. (at least I think so) Is it simply because ceramic pots cost much more, therefore they must be better ? Sounds a bit snooty to me !! Mark Hill - Harrisburg PA - Zone 7 (buried in snow !!) ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Hi Mark,
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hill" Hi all... Here's a question to prolong this thread ..... Why are mica pots not preferred show containers? snip Is it simply because ceramic pots cost much more, therefore they must be better ? Sounds a bit snooty to me !! Mark Hill ------------------------------- I'll bite. Yes, it's snooty - for the same reason that diamonds are coveted over cubic zirconia, though from most views, the CZ looks beautiful and dazzling. The reason is twofold (at least): 1) This is an art. The art of bonsai display is one that touts quality and, in many cases, is concerned with ties to the artistry of long ago (antique chinese pots for high quality bonsai in an exhibit) or of today (great modern potters). Also, the subtle aesthetic quality that an excellent bonsai pot can convey as part of a bonsai display is prized for obvious reasons. 2) We're human. When dealing with artistry - an admittedly snooty endeavor (and define "snooty" at your peril) - the specific quality of the elements involved has an impact on the viewer (from small to enormous) AND the exhibitor. Humans generally enjoy exhibiting and viewing rare quality and great craftsmanship more than we enjoy exhibiting and viewing "plastic" make-do elements. Often, what we know about an objet d'art impacts our enjoyment. So sure, recognize that bonsai artistry has snooty elements. Every art does and for simple reasons. However, thinking that to be a negative is just silly, and deriding bonsai for its elements of snootiness does the art and enthusiasts no good. It's just part of this endeavor. Care about it or not, but criticize it makes us look silly. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm zone 8, Texas ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Hi all...
Here's a question to prolong this thread ..... Why are mica pots not preferred show containers? All my trees are in training (in mica pots), so I'm not overly concerned about purchasing a fancy ceramic pot, but I still can't figure out why mica isn't an accepted container for display. Mine look good. (at least I think so) Is it simply because ceramic pots cost much more, therefore they must be better ? Sounds a bit snooty to me !! Mark Hill - Harrisburg PA - Zone 7 (buried in snow !!) ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Hi all...
Here's a question to prolong this thread ..... Why are mica pots not preferred show containers? All my trees are in training (in mica pots), so I'm not overly concerned about purchasing a fancy ceramic pot, but I still can't figure out why mica isn't an accepted container for display. Mine look good. (at least I think so) Is it simply because ceramic pots cost much more, therefore they must be better ? Sounds a bit snooty to me !! Mark Hill - Harrisburg PA - Zone 7 (buried in snow !!) ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ireneu Castillo" Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots I'm interested to buy a big pot for one tree, but ceramic pots are too expensive and then I had thought in mica pots, because they are cheaper than ceramics. It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I damage the tree? Thank you a lot! -Ireneu- Mica pots have been a great help for your average bonsai guy, especially if he is collecting/growing large specimens. The large pots are a fraction of cost of Japanese. They will not crack in winter or ( real nice) won't fad in sun. ( I do have trouble with squirrels sharpening teeth by gnawing edges though). You can drill for wire hold downs if you wish. You can wipe mineral oil on/off and they look great and from a few feet away you can't tell hardly from unglazed Japanese, But, now there are some GREAT nicely made, quality Chinese pots made just as large as largest Mica rect, oval, drums at about the same cost. I saw/bought some at Brussels. Real nice stuff. Also check Cass Bonsai for big unglazed chinese pots. Regards, Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com Specializing in power wood carving tools. Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ireneu Castillo" Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots I'm interested to buy a big pot for one tree, but ceramic pots are too expensive and then I had thought in mica pots, because they are cheaper than ceramics. It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I damage the tree? Thank you a lot! -Ireneu- Mica pots have been a great help for your average bonsai guy, especially if he is collecting/growing large specimens. The large pots are a fraction of cost of Japanese. They will not crack in winter or ( real nice) won't fad in sun. ( I do have trouble with squirrels sharpening teeth by gnawing edges though). You can drill for wire hold downs if you wish. You can wipe mineral oil on/off and they look great and from a few feet away you can't tell hardly from unglazed Japanese, But, now there are some GREAT nicely made, quality Chinese pots made just as large as largest Mica rect, oval, drums at about the same cost. I saw/bought some at Brussels. Real nice stuff. Also check Cass Bonsai for big unglazed chinese pots. Regards, Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com Specializing in power wood carving tools. Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ireneu Castillo" Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots I'm interested to buy a big pot for one tree, but ceramic pots are too expensive and then I had thought in mica pots, because they are cheaper than ceramics. It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I damage the tree? Thank you a lot! -Ireneu- Mica pots have been a great help for your average bonsai guy, especially if he is collecting/growing large specimens. The large pots are a fraction of cost of Japanese. They will not crack in winter or ( real nice) won't fad in sun. ( I do have trouble with squirrels sharpening teeth by gnawing edges though). You can drill for wire hold downs if you wish. You can wipe mineral oil on/off and they look great and from a few feet away you can't tell hardly from unglazed Japanese, But, now there are some GREAT nicely made, quality Chinese pots made just as large as largest Mica rect, oval, drums at about the same cost. I saw/bought some at Brussels. Real nice stuff. Also check Cass Bonsai for big unglazed chinese pots. Regards, Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com Specializing in power wood carving tools. Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Ireneu & Mark - this thread has been explored ad infinitum a couple of years
ago at this site. It all boils down to the argument of artificial flowers vs. real ones. AHA! You must stop me here. Artificial flowers are NOT real flowers, but both mica pots and ceramic pots are artificial. Well, you have me there. HOWEVER - artists have been using ceramics for thousands of years. There has to be a reason. A beautiful ceramic bonsai pot can sit on a shelf all by itself and be a source of visual enjoyment all by itself. I can't say the same for mica pots. NEVERTHELESS - I agree with the mica protagonists who argue for the positive qualities found in mica. End of discussion - Mica is great for training purposes: ceramics are great for great bonsai. Marty P.S. This is not an expression of snobbery. M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ireneu Castillo" To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:21 AM Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots Thank you, Andy I'm from Barcelona (Catalonia-Spain), and here we have a lot of heat and sun in summer. I had heard that some people had problems with mica pots because they absorb more heat than ceramic due to his black colour. It's really this? -Ireneu- Andy Rutledge wrote: Of course you can damage the tree - but not by use of mica pots. Mica pots are great pots for training and they don't look half bad, either. Go for it, save a buck and get a good pot. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm zone 8, Texas ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
I have used many mica pots, but so far I found no problem with the tree.
Budi ----- Original Message ----- From: Ireneu Castillo To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:01 AM Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots Hello All! I'm interested to buy a big pot for one tree, but ceramic pots are too expensive and then I had thought in mica pots, because they are cheaper than ceramics. It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I damage the tree? Thank you a lot! -Ireneu- ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
I have used many mica pots, but so far I found no problem with the tree.
Budi ----- Original Message ----- From: Ireneu Castillo To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:01 AM Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots Hello All! I'm interested to buy a big pot for one tree, but ceramic pots are too expensive and then I had thought in mica pots, because they are cheaper than ceramics. It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I damage the tree? Thank you a lot! -Ireneu- ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
I have used many mica pots, but so far I found no problem with the tree.
Budi ----- Original Message ----- From: Ireneu Castillo To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:01 AM Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots Hello All! I'm interested to buy a big pot for one tree, but ceramic pots are too expensive and then I had thought in mica pots, because they are cheaper than ceramics. It's recommendable to use this kind of pots instead ceramic? Can I damage the tree? Thank you a lot! -Ireneu- ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Hi Mark,
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hill" Hi all... Here's a question to prolong this thread ..... Why are mica pots not preferred show containers? snip Is it simply because ceramic pots cost much more, therefore they must be better ? Sounds a bit snooty to me !! Mark Hill ------------------------------- I'll bite. Yes, it's snooty - for the same reason that diamonds are coveted over cubic zirconia, though from most views, the CZ looks beautiful and dazzling. The reason is twofold (at least): 1) This is an art. The art of bonsai display is one that touts quality and, in many cases, is concerned with ties to the artistry of long ago (antique chinese pots for high quality bonsai in an exhibit) or of today (great modern potters). Also, the subtle aesthetic quality that an excellent bonsai pot can convey as part of a bonsai display is prized for obvious reasons. 2) We're human. When dealing with artistry - an admittedly snooty endeavor (and define "snooty" at your peril) - the specific quality of the elements involved has an impact on the viewer (from small to enormous) AND the exhibitor. Humans generally enjoy exhibiting and viewing rare quality and great craftsmanship more than we enjoy exhibiting and viewing "plastic" make-do elements. Often, what we know about an objet d'art impacts our enjoyment. So sure, recognize that bonsai artistry has snooty elements. Every art does and for simple reasons. However, thinking that to be a negative is just silly, and deriding bonsai for its elements of snootiness does the art and enthusiasts no good. It's just part of this endeavor. Care about it or not, but criticize it makes us look silly. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm zone 8, Texas ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Hi Mark,
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hill" Hi all... Here's a question to prolong this thread ..... Why are mica pots not preferred show containers? snip Is it simply because ceramic pots cost much more, therefore they must be better ? Sounds a bit snooty to me !! Mark Hill ------------------------------- I'll bite. Yes, it's snooty - for the same reason that diamonds are coveted over cubic zirconia, though from most views, the CZ looks beautiful and dazzling. The reason is twofold (at least): 1) This is an art. The art of bonsai display is one that touts quality and, in many cases, is concerned with ties to the artistry of long ago (antique chinese pots for high quality bonsai in an exhibit) or of today (great modern potters). Also, the subtle aesthetic quality that an excellent bonsai pot can convey as part of a bonsai display is prized for obvious reasons. 2) We're human. When dealing with artistry - an admittedly snooty endeavor (and define "snooty" at your peril) - the specific quality of the elements involved has an impact on the viewer (from small to enormous) AND the exhibitor. Humans generally enjoy exhibiting and viewing rare quality and great craftsmanship more than we enjoy exhibiting and viewing "plastic" make-do elements. Often, what we know about an objet d'art impacts our enjoyment. So sure, recognize that bonsai artistry has snooty elements. Every art does and for simple reasons. However, thinking that to be a negative is just silly, and deriding bonsai for its elements of snootiness does the art and enthusiasts no good. It's just part of this endeavor. Care about it or not, but criticize it makes us look silly. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm zone 8, Texas ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Hi Mark,
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hill" Hi all... Here's a question to prolong this thread ..... Why are mica pots not preferred show containers? snip Is it simply because ceramic pots cost much more, therefore they must be better ? Sounds a bit snooty to me !! Mark Hill ------------------------------- I'll bite. Yes, it's snooty - for the same reason that diamonds are coveted over cubic zirconia, though from most views, the CZ looks beautiful and dazzling. The reason is twofold (at least): 1) This is an art. The art of bonsai display is one that touts quality and, in many cases, is concerned with ties to the artistry of long ago (antique chinese pots for high quality bonsai in an exhibit) or of today (great modern potters). Also, the subtle aesthetic quality that an excellent bonsai pot can convey as part of a bonsai display is prized for obvious reasons. 2) We're human. When dealing with artistry - an admittedly snooty endeavor (and define "snooty" at your peril) - the specific quality of the elements involved has an impact on the viewer (from small to enormous) AND the exhibitor. Humans generally enjoy exhibiting and viewing rare quality and great craftsmanship more than we enjoy exhibiting and viewing "plastic" make-do elements. Often, what we know about an objet d'art impacts our enjoyment. So sure, recognize that bonsai artistry has snooty elements. Every art does and for simple reasons. However, thinking that to be a negative is just silly, and deriding bonsai for its elements of snootiness does the art and enthusiasts no good. It's just part of this endeavor. Care about it or not, but criticize it makes us look silly. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm zone 8, Texas ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Ireneu & Mark - this thread has been explored ad infinitum a couple of years
ago at this site. It all boils down to the argument of artificial flowers vs. real ones. AHA! You must stop me here. Artificial flowers are NOT real flowers, but both mica pots and ceramic pots are artificial. Well, you have me there. HOWEVER - artists have been using ceramics for thousands of years. There has to be a reason. A beautiful ceramic bonsai pot can sit on a shelf all by itself and be a source of visual enjoyment all by itself. I can't say the same for mica pots. NEVERTHELESS - I agree with the mica protagonists who argue for the positive qualities found in mica. End of discussion - Mica is great for training purposes: ceramics are great for great bonsai. Marty P.S. This is not an expression of snobbery. M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ireneu Castillo" To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:21 AM Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots Thank you, Andy I'm from Barcelona (Catalonia-Spain), and here we have a lot of heat and sun in summer. I had heard that some people had problems with mica pots because they absorb more heat than ceramic due to his black colour. It's really this? -Ireneu- Andy Rutledge wrote: Of course you can damage the tree - but not by use of mica pots. Mica pots are great pots for training and they don't look half bad, either. Go for it, save a buck and get a good pot. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm zone 8, Texas ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Ireneu & Mark - this thread has been explored ad infinitum a couple of years
ago at this site. It all boils down to the argument of artificial flowers vs. real ones. AHA! You must stop me here. Artificial flowers are NOT real flowers, but both mica pots and ceramic pots are artificial. Well, you have me there. HOWEVER - artists have been using ceramics for thousands of years. There has to be a reason. A beautiful ceramic bonsai pot can sit on a shelf all by itself and be a source of visual enjoyment all by itself. I can't say the same for mica pots. NEVERTHELESS - I agree with the mica protagonists who argue for the positive qualities found in mica. End of discussion - Mica is great for training purposes: ceramics are great for great bonsai. Marty P.S. This is not an expression of snobbery. M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ireneu Castillo" To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:21 AM Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots Thank you, Andy I'm from Barcelona (Catalonia-Spain), and here we have a lot of heat and sun in summer. I had heard that some people had problems with mica pots because they absorb more heat than ceramic due to his black colour. It's really this? -Ireneu- Andy Rutledge wrote: Of course you can damage the tree - but not by use of mica pots. Mica pots are great pots for training and they don't look half bad, either. Go for it, save a buck and get a good pot. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm zone 8, Texas ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Ireneu & Mark - this thread has been explored ad infinitum a couple of years
ago at this site. It all boils down to the argument of artificial flowers vs. real ones. AHA! You must stop me here. Artificial flowers are NOT real flowers, but both mica pots and ceramic pots are artificial. Well, you have me there. HOWEVER - artists have been using ceramics for thousands of years. There has to be a reason. A beautiful ceramic bonsai pot can sit on a shelf all by itself and be a source of visual enjoyment all by itself. I can't say the same for mica pots. NEVERTHELESS - I agree with the mica protagonists who argue for the positive qualities found in mica. End of discussion - Mica is great for training purposes: ceramics are great for great bonsai. Marty P.S. This is not an expression of snobbery. M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ireneu Castillo" To: Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:21 AM Subject: [IBC] Mica Pots Thank you, Andy I'm from Barcelona (Catalonia-Spain), and here we have a lot of heat and sun in summer. I had heard that some people had problems with mica pots because they absorb more heat than ceramic due to his black colour. It's really this? -Ireneu- Andy Rutledge wrote: Of course you can damage the tree - but not by use of mica pots. Mica pots are great pots for training and they don't look half bad, either. Go for it, save a buck and get a good pot. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm zone 8, Texas ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Andy Rutledge wrote:
Hi Mark, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hill" Hi all... Here's a question to prolong this thread ..... Why are mica pots not preferred show containers? snip Is it simply because ceramic pots cost much more, therefore they must be better ? Sounds a bit snooty to me !! Mark Hill ------------------------------- I'll bite. Yes, it's snooty - for the same reason that diamonds are coveted over cubic zirconia, though from most views, the CZ looks beautiful and dazzling. The reason is twofold (at least): 1) This is an art. The art of bonsai display is one that touts quality and, in many cases, is concerned with ties to the artistry of long ago (antique chinese pots for high quality bonsai in an exhibit) or of today (great modern potters). Also, the subtle aesthetic quality that an excellent bonsai pot can convey as part of a bonsai display is prized for obvious reasons. This is scary. Andy and I actually *somewhat* agree. I like mica pots for the reasons already mentioned. I use them here at home, and at this point I feel that they are appropriate for trees in training, really large trees in general that are going to be overly heavy in a ceramic pot, and for local and club exhibitions. I don't know exactly where I'd draw the line in terms of acceptability, though. Major exhibits, perhaps, although I saw several trees in mica pots at the exposition last October at the North Carolina State Arboretum and they looked really good--they obviously had been oiled. 2) We're human. When dealing with artistry - an admittedly snooty endeavor (and define "snooty" at your peril) - the specific quality of the elements involved has an impact on the viewer (from small to enormous) AND the exhibitor. Humans generally enjoy exhibiting and viewing rare quality and great craftsmanship more than we enjoy exhibiting and viewing "plastic" make-do elements. Often, what we know about an objet d'art impacts our enjoyment. So sure, recognize that bonsai artistry has snooty elements. "Snooty" really isn't the best term here. "Particular," perhaps. When I have a large tree that I feel is worth showing, I will probably look around for a ceramic pot. I realize that my bigger trees are going to take a number of years to really be presentable. When they are presentable, I want to have them look their best. To wait on the larger ceramic pots a few years also helps me to be patient with a larger tree, and not rush it in it's training. I have been doing bonsai long enough (5 years) so that I'm beginning to get a sense of the longer-term aspect of the art--not rushing a tree, but working on it steadily and watching it progress through several seasons. And in terms of display, Andy's right. Whether the pot is glazed or unglazed, a ceramic pot, especially a well-made one, is generally better looking than a mica pot. snip Kind regards, Andy Rutledge www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm zone 8, Texas Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
[IBC] Mica Pots
Andy Rutledge wrote:
Hi Mark, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hill" Hi all... Here's a question to prolong this thread ..... Why are mica pots not preferred show containers? snip Is it simply because ceramic pots cost much more, therefore they must be better ? Sounds a bit snooty to me !! Mark Hill ------------------------------- I'll bite. Yes, it's snooty - for the same reason that diamonds are coveted over cubic zirconia, though from most views, the CZ looks beautiful and dazzling. The reason is twofold (at least): 1) This is an art. The art of bonsai display is one that touts quality and, in many cases, is concerned with ties to the artistry of long ago (antique chinese pots for high quality bonsai in an exhibit) or of today (great modern potters). Also, the subtle aesthetic quality that an excellent bonsai pot can convey as part of a bonsai display is prized for obvious reasons. This is scary. Andy and I actually *somewhat* agree. I like mica pots for the reasons already mentioned. I use them here at home, and at this point I feel that they are appropriate for trees in training, really large trees in general that are going to be overly heavy in a ceramic pot, and for local and club exhibitions. I don't know exactly where I'd draw the line in terms of acceptability, though. Major exhibits, perhaps, although I saw several trees in mica pots at the exposition last October at the North Carolina State Arboretum and they looked really good--they obviously had been oiled. 2) We're human. When dealing with artistry - an admittedly snooty endeavor (and define "snooty" at your peril) - the specific quality of the elements involved has an impact on the viewer (from small to enormous) AND the exhibitor. Humans generally enjoy exhibiting and viewing rare quality and great craftsmanship more than we enjoy exhibiting and viewing "plastic" make-do elements. Often, what we know about an objet d'art impacts our enjoyment. So sure, recognize that bonsai artistry has snooty elements. "Snooty" really isn't the best term here. "Particular," perhaps. When I have a large tree that I feel is worth showing, I will probably look around for a ceramic pot. I realize that my bigger trees are going to take a number of years to really be presentable. When they are presentable, I want to have them look their best. To wait on the larger ceramic pots a few years also helps me to be patient with a larger tree, and not rush it in it's training. I have been doing bonsai long enough (5 years) so that I'm beginning to get a sense of the longer-term aspect of the art--not rushing a tree, but working on it steadily and watching it progress through several seasons. And in terms of display, Andy's right. Whether the pot is glazed or unglazed, a ceramic pot, especially a well-made one, is generally better looking than a mica pot. snip Kind regards, Andy Rutledge www.andyrutledge.com/palaver/main.htm zone 8, Texas Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Marc Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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