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Although it is true that Some cultivars can be grown as cuttings. some do
not develop strong roots so they do better as grafts. Some cultivars have subtle differences which makes it necwsary to graft The Bloodgood grows from seeds on Long Island. Some seed grown seem to maintain the color. Matter of fact there are few cultivars developed that are just improvemeents to the Bloodgood SteveW ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Although it is true that Some cultivars can be grown as cuttings. some do
not develop strong roots so they do better as grafts. Some cultivars have subtle differences which makes it necwsary to graft The Bloodgood grows from seeds on Long Island. Some seed grown seem to maintain the color. Matter of fact there are few cultivars developed that are just improvemeents to the Bloodgood SteveW ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Henrik Gistvall What has been the problem with the airlayering? I´m planning an airlayer this spring on a basic A palmatum. Was an dissectum graft but it died back. Three suckers developed from the base and I have trained it like a multi trunk. Now I need to airlayer it. Any tips for success? (I might add that rooting hormones is illegal in Sweden so I have to do without). Then, on 7 Nov 2004 at 10:51, MartyWeiser wrote: I agree with Jim about the length of the growing season being an issue. I also find keeping them at the right moisture level to be a potential problem. And, also on 7 Nov 2004, I write: I did no extra watering. I used FRESHLY harvested sphagnum moss and wrapped it dripping wet in heavy plastic. I figured with the fairly frequent rains we get it would stay damp enough. I seem to have been right. (I've never had a layer dry out, however.) Then, reading my newest book, "Pocket Bonsai," which, generally speaking, is the exception that proves the rule in the accuracy of the horticultural info presented (in a book on Bonsai), I read in the section on air layering: "Don't worry about the moss drying out: as the new roots take in moisture, the xylem remains active and will be continually pumping water into the moss!" (!?) I'm not at all sure what this xylem pump is doing BEFORE roots form, but maybe this is one of the reasons my moss says damp enough. (?) Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests are like genealogists: We know our roots! ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Henrik Gistvall What has been the problem with the airlayering? I´m planning an airlayer this spring on a basic A palmatum. Was an dissectum graft but it died back. Three suckers developed from the base and I have trained it like a multi trunk. Now I need to airlayer it. Any tips for success? (I might add that rooting hormones is illegal in Sweden so I have to do without). Then, on 7 Nov 2004 at 10:51, MartyWeiser wrote: I agree with Jim about the length of the growing season being an issue. I also find keeping them at the right moisture level to be a potential problem. And, also on 7 Nov 2004, I write: I did no extra watering. I used FRESHLY harvested sphagnum moss and wrapped it dripping wet in heavy plastic. I figured with the fairly frequent rains we get it would stay damp enough. I seem to have been right. (I've never had a layer dry out, however.) Then, reading my newest book, "Pocket Bonsai," which, generally speaking, is the exception that proves the rule in the accuracy of the horticultural info presented (in a book on Bonsai), I read in the section on air layering: "Don't worry about the moss drying out: as the new roots take in moisture, the xylem remains active and will be continually pumping water into the moss!" (!?) I'm not at all sure what this xylem pump is doing BEFORE roots form, but maybe this is one of the reasons my moss says damp enough. (?) Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests are like genealogists: We know our roots! ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Henrik Gistvall What has been the problem with the airlayering? I´m planning an airlayer this spring on a basic A palmatum. Was an dissectum graft but it died back. Three suckers developed from the base and I have trained it like a multi trunk. Now I need to airlayer it. Any tips for success? (I might add that rooting hormones is illegal in Sweden so I have to do without). Then, on 7 Nov 2004 at 10:51, MartyWeiser wrote: I agree with Jim about the length of the growing season being an issue. I also find keeping them at the right moisture level to be a potential problem. And, also on 7 Nov 2004, I write: I did no extra watering. I used FRESHLY harvested sphagnum moss and wrapped it dripping wet in heavy plastic. I figured with the fairly frequent rains we get it would stay damp enough. I seem to have been right. (I've never had a layer dry out, however.) Then, reading my newest book, "Pocket Bonsai," which, generally speaking, is the exception that proves the rule in the accuracy of the horticultural info presented (in a book on Bonsai), I read in the section on air layering: "Don't worry about the moss drying out: as the new roots take in moisture, the xylem remains active and will be continually pumping water into the moss!" (!?) I'm not at all sure what this xylem pump is doing BEFORE roots form, but maybe this is one of the reasons my moss says damp enough. (?) Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests are like genealogists: We know our roots! ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
I've been layering many Japanese maples from a tree that grew from the
stock of a failed graft. It's 6' tall and so far I've got 15 successful layers and 2 failures. They all seem to take a different length of time to work. Some fill the bag with roots in a couple of months and others take all season. I've yet to have one not root, the failures both died due to a disease of some sort that caused the whole branch to die. The layers are all slowly building a nice forest of genetically identical trees. Weird thing is that they seem to display differences in their leafing out, vigour, leaf size and fall colour and timing despite shared genetics. I assume that length of time from layering and "settling in" to growing on new roots must play a part in this. As to the xylem pump, (if it works, I've seen no evidence myself and have had to water many layers on this and other species as they dried out once roots filled the bag) I assume that it would be pumping from the bottom cut upwards? Cheers Kev Bailey Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales I'm not at all sure what this xylem pump is doing BEFORE roots form, but maybe this is one of the reasons my moss says damp enough. (?) Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests are like genealogists: We know our roots! ************************************************** ********************** ******** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ********************** ******** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
I've been layering many Japanese maples from a tree that grew from the
stock of a failed graft. It's 6' tall and so far I've got 15 successful layers and 2 failures. They all seem to take a different length of time to work. Some fill the bag with roots in a couple of months and others take all season. I've yet to have one not root, the failures both died due to a disease of some sort that caused the whole branch to die. The layers are all slowly building a nice forest of genetically identical trees. Weird thing is that they seem to display differences in their leafing out, vigour, leaf size and fall colour and timing despite shared genetics. I assume that length of time from layering and "settling in" to growing on new roots must play a part in this. As to the xylem pump, (if it works, I've seen no evidence myself and have had to water many layers on this and other species as they dried out once roots filled the bag) I assume that it would be pumping from the bottom cut upwards? Cheers Kev Bailey Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales I'm not at all sure what this xylem pump is doing BEFORE roots form, but maybe this is one of the reasons my moss says damp enough. (?) Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests are like genealogists: We know our roots! ************************************************** ********************** ******** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ********************** ******** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
On 7 Nov 2004 at 21:39, kevin bailey wrote:
As to the xylem pump, (if it works, I've seen no evidence myself and have had to water many layers on this and other species as they dried out once roots filled the bag) I assume that it would be pumping from the bottom cut upwards? Oughta be. I'd assumed that he was implying that the moss would "wick" the moisture throughout the ball. Anyway, was news to me, too. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests are like genealogists: We know our roots! ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
On 7 Nov 2004 at 21:39, kevin bailey wrote:
As to the xylem pump, (if it works, I've seen no evidence myself and have had to water many layers on this and other species as they dried out once roots filled the bag) I assume that it would be pumping from the bottom cut upwards? Oughta be. I'd assumed that he was implying that the moss would "wick" the moisture throughout the ball. Anyway, was news to me, too. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests are like genealogists: We know our roots! ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Very helpful. Thanks. I cut the strangler root off already, but it had killed
part of the trunk. I need to cut out the dead part. All the roots are growing out the back right now, so I need to root prune & do what you suggested. Iris, Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40 "When you come to a fork in the road, take it." Yogi Berra |
Very helpful. Thanks. I cut the strangler root off already, but it had killed
part of the trunk. I need to cut out the dead part. All the roots are growing out the back right now, so I need to root prune & do what you suggested. Iris, Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40 "When you come to a fork in the road, take it." Yogi Berra |
Very helpful. Thanks. I cut the strangler root off already, but it had killed
part of the trunk. I need to cut out the dead part. All the roots are growing out the back right now, so I need to root prune & do what you suggested. Iris, Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40 "When you come to a fork in the road, take it." Yogi Berra |
Then, reading my newest book, "Pocket Bonsai," which, generally
speaking, is the exception that proves the rule in the accuracy of the horticultural info presented (in a book on Bonsai), I read in the section on air layering: "Don't worry about the moss drying out: as the new roots take in moisture, the xylem remains active and will be continually pumping water into the moss!" (!?) I'm not at all sure what this xylem pump is doing BEFORE roots form, but maybe this is one of the reasons my moss says damp enough. (?) I have no idea what the author of the book is talking about. He may be saying that the parent roots of the tree are supplying water to the new roots that are forming in the air-layer; this might be true as long as there are leaves present above the air-layer area to act as transpiration pumps. But I wouldn't count on this; roots won't form on an airlayer unless the area is protected from evaporation, and the best way to make sure the sphagnum (or whatever) is still damp is to check it occasionally and moisten it. Nina |
I Like a truck that looks stressed. It gives it character. many Japanese Maples have interesting features. I have a few Palmatum seedlings that I have been working with. they come from a weeping palmatum. I made a forest of a few and I have a few that I am training as individual trees. one of these trees has the most fantastic pink color in the spring through part of the summer. You would think this is a special cultivar, but it isn't.
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