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try MyBonsai v1.1 - it is freeware
Hi all,
I have developed a software called MyBonsai to help people in managing bonsai. MyBonsai is free... and I hope useful :-) You can download MyBonsai at: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/mybonsai/index_eng.htm Let me know your comments and suggestions for future improvements. Many thanks M. GIGAMAIL by X-Privat: http://www.x-privat.org/gigamail.php |
This may be a legitimate offer, or it may be an invitation
to a virus, worm or something similar. I would not recommend downloading software from someone you do not know. "M." is not familiar to me on this group. I know that not everyone posts and many participate only by reading, but this offer sounds very risky to me, and I would hate for any of my bonsai friends to be exploited by a prank just because it has bonsai in the label. "M.", feel free to assuage my apprehension about your offer. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- From: Ego Hi all, I have developed a software called MyBonsai to help people in managing bonsai. MyBonsai is free... and I hope useful :-) You can download MyBonsai at: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/mybonsai/index_eng.htm Let me know your comments and suggestions for future improvements. Many thanks M. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
On 8 Nov 2004 at 17:01, Jeff wrote:
This webpage says that it is freeware. Why must I then register freeware before 15 days so that it continues working? It might be a great piece of software for bonsai but I have never heard of registering freeware. Um . . the word "free" means you don't PAY anything for it. It has nothing at all to do with "registration." Registration for "freeware" isn't unheard of. It is: 1. a way of telling how many people really want to use your program. Download counting doesn't tell you that. 2. an opportunity for people to donate a tad here and there to help support someone. 3. A way of controlling the haphazard distribution of the software (and seeing some other person taking credit for it in some other forum). and 4. Totally up to the developer -- who has, after all, put more work into it than YOU have. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests are like genealogists: We know our roots! ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
On 8 Nov 2004 at 17:01, Jeff wrote:
This webpage says that it is freeware. Why must I then register freeware before 15 days so that it continues working? It might be a great piece of software for bonsai but I have never heard of registering freeware. Um . . the word "free" means you don't PAY anything for it. It has nothing at all to do with "registration." Registration for "freeware" isn't unheard of. It is: 1. a way of telling how many people really want to use your program. Download counting doesn't tell you that. 2. an opportunity for people to donate a tad here and there to help support someone. 3. A way of controlling the haphazard distribution of the software (and seeing some other person taking credit for it in some other forum). and 4. Totally up to the developer -- who has, after all, put more work into it than YOU have. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests are like genealogists: We know our roots! ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
On 8 Nov 2004 at 16:13, Alan Walker wrote:
This may be a legitimate offer, or it may be an invitation to a virus, worm or something similar. I would not recommend downloading software from someone you do not know. "M." is not familiar to me on this group. I know that not everyone posts and many participate only by reading, but this offer sounds very risky to me, and I would hate for any of my bonsai friends to be exploited by a prank just because it has bonsai in the label. "M.", feel free to assuage my apprehension about your offer. Well, if you have up-to-date virus software on your machine (as you should), you should not have to worry. If you're really paranoid and worry that a virus developer chose a bonsai group to launch a NEW virus, :-) wait a week, THEN download it after the virus software boys have a new DAT file out. But I checked it out; it appears to be clean. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect - Aldo Leopold - A Sand County Almanac ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Hi All,
.... sorry but I don't understand your mistrust. Virus, worm?????? I have simply developed a software to manage bonsai trees. Yes, I'm new because I'm searching for bonsai newsgroup to introduce my software since I have spent a lot of time in developing MyBonsai and I think it could be useful for some other user. Why to register a freeware? Simply, because this is the only way that I have to count MyBonsai users! Anyway... there's no problem... if you believe that MyBonsai is a virus or something similar do not download it... I hope other users will try my software and will give me feedbacks to improve it in a future release. Thanks Massimo "Ego" ha scritto nel messaggio ... Hi all, I have developed a software called MyBonsai to help people in managing bonsai. MyBonsai is free... and I hope useful :-) You can download MyBonsai at: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/mybonsai/index_eng.htm Let me know your comments and suggestions for future improvements. Many thanks M. GIGAMAIL by X-Privat: http://www.x-privat.org/gigamail.php GIGAMAIL by X-Privat: http://www.x-privat.org/gigamail.php |
On 9 Nov 2004 at 23:53, Ego wrote:
Hi All, ... sorry but I don't understand your mistrust. Virus, worm?????? I have simply developed a software to manage bonsai trees. Yes, I'm new because I'm searching for bonsai newsgroup to introduce my software since I have spent a lot of time in developing MyBonsai and I think it could be useful for some other user. Why to register a freeware? Simply, because this is the only way that I have to count MyBonsai users! Anyway... there's no problem... if you believe that MyBonsai is a virus or something similar do not download it... I hope other users will try my software and will give me feedbacks to improve it in a future release. Thanks Massimo Massimo . . . some people are just grumpy. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Usually I am the grumpy one. Not this time. ;-) ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Well, Jim, I didn't think I was grumpy at all. Massimo
got it right. I was mistrustful. I think there's ample reason for anyone to be mistrustful of offerings from unknown entities with no identifying information. The original was just signed "M." and the return name of "Ego" (Now we at least have a first name.) was suggestive of a prankster to me. I just didn't want anyone to get burned. Yours and the other response assuaged my concern about the program being a Trojan Horse. I remain... Cautiously yours, ;-) Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org On 9 Nov 2004 at 23:53, Ego wrote: Hi All, .... sorry but I don't understand your mistrust. Virus, worm?????? I have simply developed a software to manage bonsai trees. Yes, I'm new because I'm searching for bonsai newsgroup to introduce my software since I have spent a lot of time in developing MyBonsai and I think it could be useful for some other user. Why to register a freeware? Simply, because this is the only way that I have to count MyBonsai users! Anyway... there's no problem... if you believe that MyBonsai is a virus or something similar do not download it... I hope other users will try my software and will give me feedbacks to improve it in a future release. Thanks Massimo -----Original Message----- From: Jim Lewis Massimo . . . some people are just grumpy. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Usually I am the grumpy one. Not this time. ;-) ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Massimo you have a TOO big EGO calm down :-)
try to understand actually with all the problem of viruses and trojan horses everybidy is a little bit scared before dowloading and executing whatever would you have been a regular customer and known form everybody here as making bonsai and discussing about your pets here I would not mind to have downloaded it .. beside that I already have a nice software , developed by another Italian Pino Latini custoemr of an Italian bonsai site that is programmed to tell you every x years when to repot and you can open a bubble on each plant and add the works you have done.. quite easy to use but nothing substitute the papers IMHO . the time lost in writing is the same as for typing and the infermation is much more easily retrived and consulted on papers Theo Ego wrote: Hi All, ... sorry but I don't understand your mistrust. Virus, worm?????? I have simply developed a software to manage bonsai trees. Yes, I'm new because I'm searching for bonsai newsgroup to introduce my software since I have spent a lot of time in developing MyBonsai and I think it could be useful for some other user. Why to register a freeware? Simply, because this is the only way that I have to count MyBonsai users! Anyway... there's no problem... if you believe that MyBonsai is a virus or something similar do not download it... I hope other users will try my software and will give me feedbacks to improve it in a future release. Thanks Massimo "Ego" ha scritto nel messaggio ... Hi all, I have developed a software called MyBonsai to help people in managing bonsai. MyBonsai is free... and I hope useful :-) You can download MyBonsai at: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/mybonsai/index_eng.htm Let me know your comments and suggestions for future improvements. Many thanks M. GIGAMAIL by X-Privat: http://www.x-privat.org/gigamail.php GIGAMAIL by X-Privat: http://www.x-privat.org/gigamail.php -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
Massimo you have a TOO big EGO calm down :-)
try to understand actually with all the problem of viruses and trojan horses everybidy is a little bit scared before dowloading and executing whatever would you have been a regular customer and known form everybody here as making bonsai and discussing about your pets here I would not mind to have downloaded it .. beside that I already have a nice software , developed by another Italian Pino Latini custoemr of an Italian bonsai site that is programmed to tell you every x years when to repot and you can open a bubble on each plant and add the works you have done.. quite easy to use but nothing substitute the papers IMHO . the time lost in writing is the same as for typing and the infermation is much more easily retrived and consulted on papers Theo Ego wrote: Hi All, ... sorry but I don't understand your mistrust. Virus, worm?????? I have simply developed a software to manage bonsai trees. Yes, I'm new because I'm searching for bonsai newsgroup to introduce my software since I have spent a lot of time in developing MyBonsai and I think it could be useful for some other user. Why to register a freeware? Simply, because this is the only way that I have to count MyBonsai users! Anyway... there's no problem... if you believe that MyBonsai is a virus or something similar do not download it... I hope other users will try my software and will give me feedbacks to improve it in a future release. Thanks Massimo "Ego" ha scritto nel messaggio ... Hi all, I have developed a software called MyBonsai to help people in managing bonsai. MyBonsai is free... and I hope useful :-) You can download MyBonsai at: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/mybonsai/index_eng.htm Let me know your comments and suggestions for future improvements. Many thanks M. GIGAMAIL by X-Privat: http://www.x-privat.org/gigamail.php GIGAMAIL by X-Privat: http://www.x-privat.org/gigamail.php -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
Hi Alan Walker wrote: Well, Jim, I didn't think I was grumpy at all. Massimo got it right. I was mistrustful. I think there's ample reason for anyone to be mistrustful of offerings from unknown entities with no identifying information. The original was just signed "M." and the return name of "Ego" (Now we at least have a first name.) was suggestive of a prankster to me. I just didn't want anyone to get burned. Yours and the other response assuaged my concern about the program being a Trojan Horse. I remain... Cautiously yours, ;-) exactly, and Massimo /ego is not even e recurrent and know client here yesterday I was downloading a program from a site I was advised as a good one for downloads, and I had such a warning when wanted to exe the program that I gave up until I will have more information form the person taht gave me teh advice! MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
On 10 Nov 2004 at 7:24, Theo wrote:
Massimo you have a TOO big EGO calm down :-) try to understand actually with all the problem of viruses and trojan horses everybidy is a little bit scared before dowloading and executing whatever Actually "everybody" shouldn't be. Only those who are so dumb they don't keep their virus and spyware programs up to date. And THEY deserve what they get. So let's drop all this, shall we? Sheesh! The guy was trying to do something FOR you! Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests are like genealogists: We know our roots! ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
On 10 Nov 2004 at 7:24, Theo wrote:
Massimo you have a TOO big EGO calm down :-) try to understand actually with all the problem of viruses and trojan horses everybidy is a little bit scared before dowloading and executing whatever Actually "everybody" shouldn't be. Only those who are so dumb they don't keep their virus and spyware programs up to date. And THEY deserve what they get. So let's drop all this, shall we? Sheesh! The guy was trying to do something FOR you! Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests are like genealogists: We know our roots! ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Jim Lewis wrote:
On 10 Nov 2004 at 7:24, Theo wrote: Massimo you have a TOO big EGO calm down :-) try to understand actually with all the problem of viruses and trojan horses everybidy is a little bit scared before dowloading and executing whatever Actually "everybody" shouldn't be. Only those who are so dumb they don't keep their virus and spyware programs up to date Virus definitions and suchlike are always 'out of date'. Computer security companies don't issue updates until after they have discovered a vulnerability. How could they? Richard ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Richard Patefield wrote: Jim Lewis wrote: On 10 Nov 2004 at 7:24, Theo wrote: Massimo you have a TOO big EGO calm down :-) try to understand actually with all the problem of viruses and trojan horses everybidy is a little bit scared before dowloading and executing whatever Actually "everybody" shouldn't be. Only those who are so dumb they don't keep their virus and spyware programs up to date Virus definitions and suchlike are always 'out of date'. Computer security companies don't issue updates until after they have discovered a vulnerability. How could they? Richard thanks to come to my rescue :-D tonite I ate this I made it myself , it was excellent http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/s...to&PhotoID=935 MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
Massimo.... thanks for developing a nifty and practical application!
With a couple of tweeks MyBonsai could be a really great and useful application :) I've used it for a few days now and think it is pretty cool. Happy to register for free......yes all it takes is a little email message and it's free (scary to some people I know) But overall a great idea!! Only problem is it seems even after I install the English language dat file, some parts of MyBonsai are still in Italian. For example: the STYLE and PROPAGATION dropdown menus are in Italian and Japanese wording. Any possibilty of a fix in the future? (and yes I know the Japanese wording is essential) Anyway looking forward to version 1.2 ! FOR THE MISTRUSTING......... Regarding certain people's intial reaction to the original posting ::: Seems some people are too busy being paranoid and 'net authorative' and have forgotten basic manners and courtesy. I'm appalled by this group's reaction to someone trying to do something positive for online bonsai enthusiasts. I can see the headlines now: - 'Online Bonsai Enthusiasts targeted by the international hacker elite for being 'mean' to plants by way of rootpruning ...now for the weather" - Gees, we're just sitting ducks aren't we? Get a grip. FOR THE LAZY... I personally think it's *great* that someone offers sound net security advice ( I do it at work all the time), but it should be done in such a way that doesn't UNFAIRLY undermine someones work. And yes, if you're too lazy and ignorant to update your viruscanner definitions and don't run even a basic up-to-date firewall in this day and age - then suffer the consequences, don't hijack someone's efforts to do something constructive and useful with your neurosis and paranoia...... FOR THE NEUROTIC (or just plain bored like me)...... Scanned by Norton Antivirus (definitions 11/11/04) - No Virus Threat Detected Zonealarm and Sygate reports- No trojan like activity, no asking to 'phone home', no opening of ports, no browser hi-jacking, no adware, nor any attempted outgoing TCP or UDP connections....are we dead yet? Lovely, I'm sold ! Joe "Theo" wrote in message ... Richard Patefield wrote: Jim Lewis wrote: On 10 Nov 2004 at 7:24, Theo wrote: Massimo you have a TOO big EGO calm down :-) try to understand actually with all the problem of viruses and trojan horses everybidy is a little bit scared before dowloading and executing whatever Actually "everybody" shouldn't be. Only those who are so dumb they don't keep their virus and spyware programs up to date Virus definitions and suchlike are always 'out of date'. Computer security companies don't issue updates until after they have discovered a vulnerability. How could they? Richard thanks to come to my rescue :-D tonite I ate this I made it myself , it was excellent http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/s...=ShowPhoto&Pho toID=935 MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
Hi Joe
Joe The Know? wrote: FOR THE LAZY... I personally think it's *great* that someone offers sound net security advice ( I do it at work all the time), but it should be done in such a way that doesn't UNFAIRLY undermine someones work. And yes, if you're too lazy and ignorant to update your viruscanner definitions and don't run even a basic up-to-date firewall in this day and age - then suffer the consequences, don't hijack someone's efforts to do something constructive and useful with your neurosis and paranoia...... Heroes go to war and gets the medals post mortem the others will cash benefits after the war is over this was not the point nobody is paranoiac, I receive per day 50 mails and at least 10 are rejected as infected , and some are blocked inside by Norton some viruses are new nobody knows altruist Massimo that comes out from nowhere and offers you to register an .exe file... for your bonsai's.... The intention is excellent but sounds fishy I am a very active person in the Italian & french Bonsai site and I never sow Massimo there , as being also in Italian the program , would be supposed to offered there first ... well nobody is prophet in his homeland I know ... scalded cats scare cold water , is said and nowadays we always have to be careful and is not bein paranoic but just to to be careful means to have common sense ... just my two cents FOR THE NEUROTIC (or just plain bored like me)...... Scanned by Norton Antivirus (definitions 11/11/04) - No Virus Threat Detected Zonealarm and Sygate reports- No trojan like activity, no asking to 'phone home', no opening of ports, no browser hi-jacking, no adware, nor any attempted outgoing TCP or UDP connections....are we dead yet? Lovely, I'm sold ! Joe "Theo" wrote in message ... Richard Patefield wrote: Jim Lewis wrote: On 10 Nov 2004 at 7:24, Theo wrote: Massimo you have a TOO big EGO calm down :-) try to understand actually with all the problem of viruses and trojan horses everybidy is a little bit scared before dowloading and executing whatever Actually "everybody" shouldn't be. Only those who are so dumb they don't keep their virus and spyware programs up to date Virus definitions and suchlike are always 'out of date'. Computer security companies don't issue updates until after they have discovered a vulnerability. How could they? Richard thanks to come to my rescue :-D tonite I ate this I made it myself , it was excellent http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/s...=ShowPhoto&Pho toID=935 MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
Hi Joe
Joe The Know? wrote: FOR THE LAZY... I personally think it's *great* that someone offers sound net security advice ( I do it at work all the time), but it should be done in such a way that doesn't UNFAIRLY undermine someones work. And yes, if you're too lazy and ignorant to update your viruscanner definitions and don't run even a basic up-to-date firewall in this day and age - then suffer the consequences, don't hijack someone's efforts to do something constructive and useful with your neurosis and paranoia...... Heroes go to war and gets the medals post mortem the others will cash benefits after the war is over this was not the point nobody is paranoiac, I receive per day 50 mails and at least 10 are rejected as infected , and some are blocked inside by Norton some viruses are new nobody knows altruist Massimo that comes out from nowhere and offers you to register an .exe file... for your bonsai's.... The intention is excellent but sounds fishy I am a very active person in the Italian & french Bonsai site and I never sow Massimo there , as being also in Italian the program , would be supposed to offered there first ... well nobody is prophet in his homeland I know ... scalded cats scare cold water , is said and nowadays we always have to be careful and is not bein paranoic but just to to be careful means to have common sense ... just my two cents FOR THE NEUROTIC (or just plain bored like me)...... Scanned by Norton Antivirus (definitions 11/11/04) - No Virus Threat Detected Zonealarm and Sygate reports- No trojan like activity, no asking to 'phone home', no opening of ports, no browser hi-jacking, no adware, nor any attempted outgoing TCP or UDP connections....are we dead yet? Lovely, I'm sold ! Joe "Theo" wrote in message ... Richard Patefield wrote: Jim Lewis wrote: On 10 Nov 2004 at 7:24, Theo wrote: Massimo you have a TOO big EGO calm down :-) try to understand actually with all the problem of viruses and trojan horses everybidy is a little bit scared before dowloading and executing whatever Actually "everybody" shouldn't be. Only those who are so dumb they don't keep their virus and spyware programs up to date Virus definitions and suchlike are always 'out of date'. Computer security companies don't issue updates until after they have discovered a vulnerability. How could they? Richard thanks to come to my rescue :-D tonite I ate this I made it myself , it was excellent http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/s...=ShowPhoto&Pho toID=935 MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
Joe The Know? wrote,
(snipped) If you had used an email address and a human name, or had ever posted anything to the list that I had noticed, I might take your comments a bit more seriously. As it is you headed for the killfile. Feel free to comment in anyway you like, but don't dictate to others how they may respond Your knowledge of good manners might have told you that.. Richard ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Joe The Know? wrote,
(snipped) If you had used an email address and a human name, or had ever posted anything to the list that I had noticed, I might take your comments a bit more seriously. As it is you headed for the killfile. Feel free to comment in anyway you like, but don't dictate to others how they may respond Your knowledge of good manners might have told you that.. Richard ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Joe The Know? wrote,
(snipped) If you had used an email address and a human name, or had ever posted anything to the list that I had noticed, I might take your comments a bit more seriously. As it is you headed for the killfile. Feel free to comment in anyway you like, but don't dictate to others how they may respond Your knowledge of good manners might have told you that.. Richard ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
This thread reminds me of the last time I was in a chicken coop: lots of
clucking and a foul odor. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theo" To: Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 12:08 PM Subject: [IBC] try MyBonsai v1.1 - it is freeware Hi Joe Joe The Know? wrote: FOR THE LAZY... I personally think it's *great* that someone offers sound net security advice ( I do it at work all the time), but it should be done in such a way that doesn't UNFAIRLY undermine someones work. And yes, if you're too lazy and ignorant to update your viruscanner definitions and don't run even a basic up-to-date firewall in this day and age - then suffer the consequences, don't hijack someone's efforts to do something constructive and useful with your neurosis and paranoia...... Heroes go to war and gets the medals post mortem the others will cash benefits after the war is over this was not the point nobody is paranoiac, I receive per day 50 mails and at least 10 are rejected as infected , and some are blocked inside by Norton some viruses are new nobody knows altruist Massimo that comes out from nowhere and offers you to register an .exe file... for your bonsai's.... The intention is excellent but sounds fishy I am a very active person in the Italian & french Bonsai site and I never sow Massimo there , as being also in Italian the program , would be supposed to offered there first .. well nobody is prophet in his homeland I know ... scalded cats scare cold water , is said and nowadays we always have to be careful and is not bein paranoic but just to to be careful means to have common sense ... just my two cents FOR THE NEUROTIC (or just plain bored like me)...... Scanned by Norton Antivirus (definitions 11/11/04) - No Virus Threat Detected Zonealarm and Sygate reports- No trojan like activity, no asking to 'phone home', no opening of ports, no browser hi-jacking, no adware, nor any attempted outgoing TCP or UDP connections....are we dead yet? Lovely, I'm sold ! Joe "Theo" wrote in message ... Richard Patefield wrote: Jim Lewis wrote: On 10 Nov 2004 at 7:24, Theo wrote: Massimo you have a TOO big EGO calm down :-) try to understand actually with all the problem of viruses and trojan horses everybidy is a little bit scared before dowloading and executing whatever Actually "everybody" shouldn't be. Only those who are so dumb they don't keep their virus and spyware programs up to date Virus definitions and suchlike are always 'out of date'. Computer security companies don't issue updates until after they have discovered a vulnerability. How could they? Richard thanks to come to my rescue :-D tonite I ate this I made it myself , it was excellent http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/s...=ShowPhoto&Pho toID=935 MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Marty Haber wrote:
This thread reminds me... So you add more clucking? R ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
From: "Marty Haber"
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 10:27 AM Subject: [IBC] try MyBonsai v1.1 - it is freeware This thread reminds me of the last time I was in a chicken coop: lots of clucking and a foul odor. ------------------- Hey Marty, Uh, - now, ya know your chickens were clucking hens - and I think This discussion was roosters with the usual just strutting - just evening things out and making the final determination correct. And it happened. It was just a misinterpretation on both ends. Actually kept me from yawning awhile. ;) Lynn (back to the coop) ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
From: "Marty Haber"
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 10:27 AM Subject: [IBC] try MyBonsai v1.1 - it is freeware This thread reminds me of the last time I was in a chicken coop: lots of clucking and a foul odor. ------------------- Hey Marty, Uh, - now, ya know your chickens were clucking hens - and I think This discussion was roosters with the usual just strutting - just evening things out and making the final determination correct. And it happened. It was just a misinterpretation on both ends. Actually kept me from yawning awhile. ;) Lynn (back to the coop) ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
frankly we are making a storm in a glass of water ..
the style of joe the Know was a little bit unecessarily teasing ... I do not think we deserve disrespect and mockery just because we are cautious! than eveyrybody does as he pleases. Richard Patefield wrote: Marty Haber wrote: This thread reminds me... So you add more clucking? R ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
frankly we are making a storm in a glass of water ..
the style of joe the Know was a little bit unecessarily teasing ... I do not think we deserve disrespect and mockery just because we are cautious! than eveyrybody does as he pleases. Richard Patefield wrote: Marty Haber wrote: This thread reminds me... So you add more clucking? R ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
My friend... our trees are sleeping... like some neurons.
What a tedium!!! -Ireneu- En/na Theo ha escrit: frankly we are making a storm in a glass of water .. the style of joe the Know was a little bit unecessarily teasing ... I do not think we deserve disrespect and mockery just because we are cautious! than eveyrybody does as he pleases. Richard Patefield wrote: Marty Haber wrote: This thread reminds me... So you add more clucking? R ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ -- ************************************************** ********************* Visiteu F̣rum Bonsai Obert: http://bonsaiobert.ya.st El Bonsai en Català ************************************************** ********************* |
My friend... our trees are sleeping... like some neurons.
What a tedium!!! -Ireneu- En/na Theo ha escrit: frankly we are making a storm in a glass of water .. the style of joe the Know was a little bit unecessarily teasing ... I do not think we deserve disrespect and mockery just because we are cautious! than eveyrybody does as he pleases. Richard Patefield wrote: Marty Haber wrote: This thread reminds me... So you add more clucking? R ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ -- ************************************************** ********************* Visiteu F̣rum Bonsai Obert: http://bonsaiobert.ya.st El Bonsai en Català ************************************************** ********************* |
All the passion about how to handle the announcement of a
new program to handle bonsai information got me thinking and triggered an idea. There is quite a variety of bonsai software out there in various formats. Some are written for Palm OS and others for Windows or Mac. Probably most of us have considered such a program and might have even purchased or downloaded one or two. A few are even using them! ;-) My idea is that I would like to have an evaluative report which compares and contrasts the pros and cons of these programs. Right now I don't really know which, if any, are worthwhile. I know it is not so hard to build your own, as Jim has often suggested, but some of us aren't that knowledgeable or motivated and prefer a tried and tested tool over our own clumsy effort. Are there some of you IBCers who would contribute to the development of such a report? We need to know: What is available? What OS will operate it? What features and functions does it have? To what degree is it customizable? How much space does it consume? How much data will it store? What kind of data will it store? How easy is it to learn? How easy is it to use? I'm sure you can think of some other variables to consider. I think everyone can contribute to it, but then some "experts" need to evaluate it from technological, horticultural, and artistic perspectives. Can we have it for Christmas?!?! Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
All the passion about how to handle the announcement of a
new program to handle bonsai information got me thinking and triggered an idea. There is quite a variety of bonsai software out there in various formats. Some are written for Palm OS and others for Windows or Mac. Probably most of us have considered such a program and might have even purchased or downloaded one or two. A few are even using them! ;-) My idea is that I would like to have an evaluative report which compares and contrasts the pros and cons of these programs. Right now I don't really know which, if any, are worthwhile. I know it is not so hard to build your own, as Jim has often suggested, but some of us aren't that knowledgeable or motivated and prefer a tried and tested tool over our own clumsy effort. Are there some of you IBCers who would contribute to the development of such a report? We need to know: What is available? What OS will operate it? What features and functions does it have? To what degree is it customizable? How much space does it consume? How much data will it store? What kind of data will it store? How easy is it to learn? How easy is it to use? I'm sure you can think of some other variables to consider. I think everyone can contribute to it, but then some "experts" need to evaluate it from technological, horticultural, and artistic perspectives. Can we have it for Christmas?!?! Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Good idea (below). We'd need several volunteers -- one for
Windon't systems, one for Mac, one for hand-held devices (of which my hands have never held any!), and one for any Linux/Unix/DOS-based systems, if any. Maybe we also should have a tutorial on home-made, data- base/word processor systems like I've used and still use. Another factor to be judged: ease of installation. For some reason, "My Bonsai" (which started all this) will NOT install on my machine. It's probably some kind of don't-mess- with-my-Registry software I have installed. Since the "My Bonsai" installation is all in Italian (one of the European languages I can LEAST readily decipher at least a few words of ) I don't really know why. The last message I get says something about "dis-installation" (I think). I was just curious, since the screen shots were interesting, but I don't really care. Christmas would be wishful thinking, though -- I suspect. ;-) Any volunteers? Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests are like genealogists: We know our roots! On 12 Nov 2004 at 21:50, Alan Walker wrote: All the passion about how to handle the announcement of a new program to handle bonsai information got me thinking and triggered an idea. There is quite a variety of bonsai software out there in various formats. Some are written for Palm OS and others for Windows or Mac. Probably most of us have considered such a program and might have even purchased or downloaded one or two. A few are even using them! ;-) My idea is that I would like to have an evaluative report which compares and contrasts the pros and cons of these programs. Right now I don't really know which, if any, are worthwhile. I know it is not so hard to build your own, as Jim has often suggested, but some of us aren't that knowledgeable or motivated and prefer a tried and tested tool over our own clumsy effort. Are there some of you IBCers who would contribute to the development of such a report? We need to know: What is available? What OS will operate it? What features and functions does it have? To what degree is it customizable? How much space does it consume? How much data will it store? What kind of data will it store? How easy is it to learn? How easy is it to use? I'm sure you can think of some other variables to consider. I think everyone can contribute to it, but then some "experts" need to evaluate it from technological, horticultural, and artistic perspectives. Can we have it for Christmas?!?! ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Good idea (below). We'd need several volunteers -- one for
Windon't systems, one for Mac, one for hand-held devices (of which my hands have never held any!), and one for any Linux/Unix/DOS-based systems, if any. Maybe we also should have a tutorial on home-made, data- base/word processor systems like I've used and still use. Another factor to be judged: ease of installation. For some reason, "My Bonsai" (which started all this) will NOT install on my machine. It's probably some kind of don't-mess- with-my-Registry software I have installed. Since the "My Bonsai" installation is all in Italian (one of the European languages I can LEAST readily decipher at least a few words of ) I don't really know why. The last message I get says something about "dis-installation" (I think). I was just curious, since the screen shots were interesting, but I don't really care. Christmas would be wishful thinking, though -- I suspect. ;-) Any volunteers? Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests are like genealogists: We know our roots! On 12 Nov 2004 at 21:50, Alan Walker wrote: All the passion about how to handle the announcement of a new program to handle bonsai information got me thinking and triggered an idea. There is quite a variety of bonsai software out there in various formats. Some are written for Palm OS and others for Windows or Mac. Probably most of us have considered such a program and might have even purchased or downloaded one or two. A few are even using them! ;-) My idea is that I would like to have an evaluative report which compares and contrasts the pros and cons of these programs. Right now I don't really know which, if any, are worthwhile. I know it is not so hard to build your own, as Jim has often suggested, but some of us aren't that knowledgeable or motivated and prefer a tried and tested tool over our own clumsy effort. Are there some of you IBCers who would contribute to the development of such a report? We need to know: What is available? What OS will operate it? What features and functions does it have? To what degree is it customizable? How much space does it consume? How much data will it store? What kind of data will it store? How easy is it to learn? How easy is it to use? I'm sure you can think of some other variables to consider. I think everyone can contribute to it, but then some "experts" need to evaluate it from technological, horticultural, and artistic perspectives. Can we have it for Christmas?!?! ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
Ireneu Castillo wrote: My friend... our trees are sleeping... like some neurons. What a tedium!!! -Ireneu- no I am impatient with my scissors and my hands are nervous I realized that a batch of 7 seed born maples have 5 that are absolutely red strawberry red with the first cold ... and 2 others still emerald green .. so with such a bright maple cultivar I am planning to make a twin trunk or sankan( 3 trunks) maple bonsai http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/s...to&PhotoID=941 and I am reading to be sure to do well next spring I need to do few repottings and one is with my old maple sthat nees a restyling of the neabary with cut of probably 2 main roots and a lot of trimming .. I am fizzing ! ahve anice week end En/na Theo ha escrit: frankly we are making a storm in a glass of water .. the style of joe the Know was a little bit unecessarily teasing ... I do not think we deserve disrespect and mockery just because we are cautious! than eveyrybody does as he pleases. Richard Patefield wrote: Marty Haber wrote: This thread reminds me... So you add more clucking? MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
Ireneu Castillo wrote: My friend... our trees are sleeping... like some neurons. What a tedium!!! -Ireneu- no I am impatient with my scissors and my hands are nervous I realized that a batch of 7 seed born maples have 5 that are absolutely red strawberry red with the first cold ... and 2 others still emerald green .. so with such a bright maple cultivar I am planning to make a twin trunk or sankan( 3 trunks) maple bonsai http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/s...to&PhotoID=941 and I am reading to be sure to do well next spring I need to do few repottings and one is with my old maple sthat nees a restyling of the neabary with cut of probably 2 main roots and a lot of trimming .. I am fizzing ! ahve anice week end En/na Theo ha escrit: frankly we are making a storm in a glass of water .. the style of joe the Know was a little bit unecessarily teasing ... I do not think we deserve disrespect and mockery just because we are cautious! than eveyrybody does as he pleases. Richard Patefield wrote: Marty Haber wrote: This thread reminds me... So you add more clucking? MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
I think this thread is being stretched unnecessarily with reactions and
counter reactions. Let us call it the end of the day and discuss something more interesting. Anil Kaushik Bonsai Club (India) Chandigarh "The City Beautiful" Massimo.... thanks for developing a nifty and practical application! With a couple of tweeks MyBonsai could be a really great and useful application :) I've used it for a few days now and think it is pretty cool. Happy to register for free......yes all it takes is a little email message and it's free (scary to some people I know) But overall a great idea!! Only problem is it seems even after I install the English language dat file, some parts of MyBonsai are still in Italian. For example: the STYLE and PROPAGATION dropdown menus are in Italian and Japanese wording. Any possibilty of a fix in the future? (and yes I know the Japanese wording is essential) Anyway looking forward to version 1.2 ! FOR THE MISTRUSTING......... Regarding certain people's intial reaction to the original posting ::: Seems some people are too busy being paranoid and 'net authorative' and have forgotten basic manners and courtesy. I'm appalled by this group's reaction to someone trying to do something positive for online bonsai enthusiasts. I can see the headlines now: - 'Online Bonsai Enthusiasts targeted by the international hacker elite for being 'mean' to plants by way of rootpruning ...now for the weather" - Gees, we're just sitting ducks aren't we? Get a grip. FOR THE LAZY... I personally think it's *great* that someone offers sound net security advice ( I do it at work all the time), but it should be done in such a way that doesn't UNFAIRLY undermine someones work. And yes, if you're too lazy and ignorant to update your viruscanner definitions and don't run even a basic up-to-date firewall in this day and age - then suffer the consequences, don't hijack someone's efforts to do something constructive and useful with your neurosis and paranoia...... FOR THE NEUROTIC (or just plain bored like me)...... Scanned by Norton Antivirus (definitions 11/11/04) - No Virus Threat Detected Zonealarm and Sygate reports- No trojan like activity, no asking to 'phone home', no opening of ports, no browser hi-jacking, no adware, nor any attempted outgoing TCP or UDP connections....are we dead yet? Lovely, I'm sold ! Joe "Theo" wrote in message ... Richard Patefield wrote: Jim Lewis wrote: On 10 Nov 2004 at 7:24, Theo wrote: Massimo you have a TOO big EGO calm down :-) try to understand actually with all the problem of viruses and trojan horses everybidy is a little bit scared before dowloading and executing whatever Actually "everybody" shouldn't be. Only those who are so dumb they don't keep their virus and spyware programs up to date Virus definitions and suchlike are always 'out of date'. Computer security companies don't issue updates until after they have discovered a vulnerability. How could they? Richard thanks to come to my rescue :-D tonite I ate this I made it myself , it was excellent http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/s...=ShowPhoto&Pho toID=935 MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
I think this thread is being stretched unnecessarily with reactions and
counter reactions. Let us call it the end of the day and discuss something more interesting. Anil Kaushik Bonsai Club (India) Chandigarh "The City Beautiful" Massimo.... thanks for developing a nifty and practical application! With a couple of tweeks MyBonsai could be a really great and useful application :) I've used it for a few days now and think it is pretty cool. Happy to register for free......yes all it takes is a little email message and it's free (scary to some people I know) But overall a great idea!! Only problem is it seems even after I install the English language dat file, some parts of MyBonsai are still in Italian. For example: the STYLE and PROPAGATION dropdown menus are in Italian and Japanese wording. Any possibilty of a fix in the future? (and yes I know the Japanese wording is essential) Anyway looking forward to version 1.2 ! FOR THE MISTRUSTING......... Regarding certain people's intial reaction to the original posting ::: Seems some people are too busy being paranoid and 'net authorative' and have forgotten basic manners and courtesy. I'm appalled by this group's reaction to someone trying to do something positive for online bonsai enthusiasts. I can see the headlines now: - 'Online Bonsai Enthusiasts targeted by the international hacker elite for being 'mean' to plants by way of rootpruning ...now for the weather" - Gees, we're just sitting ducks aren't we? Get a grip. FOR THE LAZY... I personally think it's *great* that someone offers sound net security advice ( I do it at work all the time), but it should be done in such a way that doesn't UNFAIRLY undermine someones work. And yes, if you're too lazy and ignorant to update your viruscanner definitions and don't run even a basic up-to-date firewall in this day and age - then suffer the consequences, don't hijack someone's efforts to do something constructive and useful with your neurosis and paranoia...... FOR THE NEUROTIC (or just plain bored like me)...... Scanned by Norton Antivirus (definitions 11/11/04) - No Virus Threat Detected Zonealarm and Sygate reports- No trojan like activity, no asking to 'phone home', no opening of ports, no browser hi-jacking, no adware, nor any attempted outgoing TCP or UDP connections....are we dead yet? Lovely, I'm sold ! Joe "Theo" wrote in message ... Richard Patefield wrote: Jim Lewis wrote: On 10 Nov 2004 at 7:24, Theo wrote: Massimo you have a TOO big EGO calm down :-) try to understand actually with all the problem of viruses and trojan horses everybidy is a little bit scared before dowloading and executing whatever Actually "everybody" shouldn't be. Only those who are so dumb they don't keep their virus and spyware programs up to date Virus definitions and suchlike are always 'out of date'. Computer security companies don't issue updates until after they have discovered a vulnerability. How could they? Richard thanks to come to my rescue :-D tonite I ate this I made it myself , it was excellent http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/s...=ShowPhoto&Pho toID=935 MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
there are not many intersting topics to discuss for the moment so
people gets chatty ........ Anil Kaushik wrote: I think this thread is being stretched unnecessarily with reactions and counter reactions. Let us call it the end of the day and discuss something more interesting. Anil Kaushik Bonsai Club (India) Chandigarh "The City Beautiful" Massimo.... thanks for developing a nifty and practical application! With a couple of tweeks MyBonsai could be a really great and useful application :) I've used it for a few days now and think it is pretty cool. Happy to register for free......yes all it takes is a little email message and it's free (scary to some people I know) But overall a great idea!! Only problem is it seems even after I install the English language dat file, some parts of MyBonsai are still in Italian. For example: the STYLE and PROPAGATION dropdown menus are in Italian and Japanese wording. Any possibilty of a fix in the future? (and yes I know the Japanese wording is essential) Anyway looking forward to version 1.2 ! FOR THE MISTRUSTING......... Regarding certain people's intial reaction to the original posting ::: Seems some people are too busy being paranoid and 'net authorative' and have forgotten basic manners and courtesy. I'm appalled by this group's reaction to someone trying to do something positive for online bonsai enthusiasts. I can see the headlines now: - 'Online Bonsai Enthusiasts targeted by the international hacker elite for being 'mean' to plants by way of rootpruning ...now for the weather" - Gees, we're just sitting ducks aren't we? Get a grip. FOR THE LAZY... I personally think it's *great* that someone offers sound net security advice ( I do it at work all the time), but it should be done in such a way that doesn't UNFAIRLY undermine someones work. And yes, if you're too lazy and ignorant to update your viruscanner definitions and don't run even a basic up-to-date firewall in this day and age - then suffer the consequences, don't hijack someone's efforts to do something constructive and useful with your neurosis and paranoia...... FOR THE NEUROTIC (or just plain bored like me)...... Scanned by Norton Antivirus (definitions 11/11/04) - No Virus Threat Detected Zonealarm and Sygate reports- No trojan like activity, no asking to 'phone home', no opening of ports, no browser hi-jacking, no adware, nor any attempted outgoing TCP or UDP connections....are we dead yet? Lovely, I'm sold ! Joe "Theo" wrote in message ... Richard Patefield wrote: Jim Lewis wrote: On 10 Nov 2004 at 7:24, Theo wrote: Massimo you have a TOO big EGO calm down :-) try to understand actually with all the problem of viruses and trojan horses everybidy is a little bit scared before dowloading and executing whatever Actually "everybody" shouldn't be. Only those who are so dumb they don't keep their virus and spyware programs up to date Virus definitions and suchlike are always 'out of date'. Computer security companies don't issue updates until after they have discovered a vulnerability. How could they? Richard thanks to come to my rescue :-D tonite I ate this I made it myself , it was excellent http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/s...=ShowPhoto&Pho toID=935 MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
there are not many intersting topics to discuss for the moment so
people gets chatty ........ Anil Kaushik wrote: I think this thread is being stretched unnecessarily with reactions and counter reactions. Let us call it the end of the day and discuss something more interesting. Anil Kaushik Bonsai Club (India) Chandigarh "The City Beautiful" Massimo.... thanks for developing a nifty and practical application! With a couple of tweeks MyBonsai could be a really great and useful application :) I've used it for a few days now and think it is pretty cool. Happy to register for free......yes all it takes is a little email message and it's free (scary to some people I know) But overall a great idea!! Only problem is it seems even after I install the English language dat file, some parts of MyBonsai are still in Italian. For example: the STYLE and PROPAGATION dropdown menus are in Italian and Japanese wording. Any possibilty of a fix in the future? (and yes I know the Japanese wording is essential) Anyway looking forward to version 1.2 ! FOR THE MISTRUSTING......... Regarding certain people's intial reaction to the original posting ::: Seems some people are too busy being paranoid and 'net authorative' and have forgotten basic manners and courtesy. I'm appalled by this group's reaction to someone trying to do something positive for online bonsai enthusiasts. I can see the headlines now: - 'Online Bonsai Enthusiasts targeted by the international hacker elite for being 'mean' to plants by way of rootpruning ...now for the weather" - Gees, we're just sitting ducks aren't we? Get a grip. FOR THE LAZY... I personally think it's *great* that someone offers sound net security advice ( I do it at work all the time), but it should be done in such a way that doesn't UNFAIRLY undermine someones work. And yes, if you're too lazy and ignorant to update your viruscanner definitions and don't run even a basic up-to-date firewall in this day and age - then suffer the consequences, don't hijack someone's efforts to do something constructive and useful with your neurosis and paranoia...... FOR THE NEUROTIC (or just plain bored like me)...... Scanned by Norton Antivirus (definitions 11/11/04) - No Virus Threat Detected Zonealarm and Sygate reports- No trojan like activity, no asking to 'phone home', no opening of ports, no browser hi-jacking, no adware, nor any attempted outgoing TCP or UDP connections....are we dead yet? Lovely, I'm sold ! Joe "Theo" wrote in message ... Richard Patefield wrote: Jim Lewis wrote: On 10 Nov 2004 at 7:24, Theo wrote: Massimo you have a TOO big EGO calm down :-) try to understand actually with all the problem of viruses and trojan horses everybidy is a little bit scared before dowloading and executing whatever Actually "everybody" shouldn't be. Only those who are so dumb they don't keep their virus and spyware programs up to date Virus definitions and suchlike are always 'out of date'. Computer security companies don't issue updates until after they have discovered a vulnerability. How could they? Richard thanks to come to my rescue :-D tonite I ate this I made it myself , it was excellent http://groups.msn.com/BonsaiItalia/s...=ShowPhoto&Pho toID=935 MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ -- MSN messanger / or ICQ 25 666 169 4 Private Mail : «»«»«» Just for today... don't worry .....be happy «»«»«» |
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