Well see if you find me rude or not ;-). I´m sorry to say seeds are not
the best way to start with bonsai. It takes sevaral years before you
have a plant that can be trained to a bonsai. Where do you live? There
might be better trees that you can buy from a nursery to start with, but
then we need to know in what part of the world you are.

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Hello everyone, My name is Kim and I just ordered some japanese zelcova
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feelings get hurt real easy. I only ask this because I read through a
couple of postings and thought some people were a bit rude. I was a
little afraid to post but I am very interested in the bonsai because
they are very beautiful little trees and I would like a place to ask
questions and read what other people have to say about different aspects
of bonsai growing. Ok, as I began saying, I just ordered some japanese
zelcova bonsai seeds. I would like to know if anyone has experience with
this tree?
I hvae already made this post kinda long so I will post questions in
another post if anyone can give me any info on how to grow and train
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Well see if you find me rude or not ;-). I´m sorry to say seeds are not
the best way to start with bonsai. It takes sevaral years before you
have a plant that can be trained to a bonsai. Where do you live? There
might be better trees that you can buy from a nursery to start with, but
then we need to know in what part of the world you are.

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Hello everyone, My name is Kim and I just ordered some japanese zelcova
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feelings get hurt real easy. I only ask this because I read through a
couple of postings and thought some people were a bit rude. I was a
little afraid to post but I am very interested in the bonsai because
they are very beautiful little trees and I would like a place to ask
questions and read what other people have to say about different aspects
of bonsai growing. Ok, as I began saying, I just ordered some japanese
zelcova bonsai seeds. I would like to know if anyone has experience with
this tree?
I hvae already made this post kinda long so I will post questions in
another post if anyone can give me any info on how to grow and train
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Well see if you find me rude or not ;-). I´m sorry to say seeds are not
the best way to start with bonsai. It takes sevaral years before you
have a plant that can be trained to a bonsai. Where do you live? There
might be better trees that you can buy from a nursery to start with, but
then we need to know in what part of the world you are.

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Hello everyone, My name is Kim and I just ordered some japanese zelcova
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feelings get hurt real easy. I only ask this because I read through a
couple of postings and thought some people were a bit rude. I was a
little afraid to post but I am very interested in the bonsai because
they are very beautiful little trees and I would like a place to ask
questions and read what other people have to say about different aspects
of bonsai growing. Ok, as I began saying, I just ordered some japanese
zelcova bonsai seeds. I would like to know if anyone has experience with
this tree?
I hvae already made this post kinda long so I will post questions in
another post if anyone can give me any info on how to grow and train
this type of bonsai. Thanks, Kim

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Kim: Henrik is correct that most people eventually find that
growing bonsai from seed is unsatisfactory because it makes a
long process much longer than it needs to be. It's not wrong or
foolish or stupid, just rather impractical. On the other hand, we
all do bonsai for slightly different reasons, and you may find
that developing your bonsai slowly over 20-30 years from seeds to
be very gratifying.
Here's a place where you can get good information about
Zelkova. http://www.bonsai-bci.com/species/zelkova.html As you
will see, it is more common to propagate Zelkova from layers or
cuttings than from seed.
As far as getting feelings hurt, that is your decision.
Your moods spring from your own thoughts and interpretations, so
we cannot take responsibility for them.

Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org

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From: Henrik Gistvall

Well see if you find me rude or not ;-). I´m sorry to say seeds
are not
the best way to start with bonsai. It takes sevaral years before
you
have a plant that can be trained to a bonsai. Where do you live?
There
might be better trees that you can buy from a nursery to start
with, but
then we need to know in what part of the world you are.

Rick and Kim wrote:
Hello everyone, My name is Kim and I just ordered some japanese
zelkova bonsai seeds. Please don't nobody say anything bad to me
because my feelings get hurt real easy. I only ask this because I
read through a couple of postings and thought some people were a
bit rude. I was a little afraid to post but I am very interested
in the bonsai because they are very beautiful little trees and I
would like a place to ask questions and read what other people
have to say about different aspects of bonsai growing.

Ok, as I began saying, I just ordered some Japanese zelkova
bonsai seeds. I would like to know if anyone has experience with
this tree?
I have already made this post kinda long so I will post questions
in another post if anyone can give me any info on how to grow and
train this type of bonsai.

Thanks, Kim

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Kim,

Words written on the interenet come to us without the
inflections of voice. This has some harsh sounding
words sounding worse than ever intended.

If you want to grow bonsai from seed, it is best to be
a young person, it takes a long time. Most of us you
see corresponding regularly are not quite young enough
to consider starting from seed. Yet, this is the best
way to have total control over your creation.

One of the charactieristic of the Zelkova is it's
smooth bark. Prize trees show no blemishes or scars,
if scars, very intereting ones. They grow slow.

Growing trees to become bonsai is different than
getting a tree and styling it for bonsai. The good
thing about seedlings is that you can mess with the
roots early on for good placement, and that you can
begin shaping the trunk instead of being stuck with
what you get.

My attempts at seeds about 20 years ago where that the
birds and squirrles interfered too much, so I gave up.

Try this site for information;
http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/seed.htm

Kitsune Miko

Rick and Kim wrote:
Hello everyone, My name is Kim and I just ordered
some japanese
zelkova bonsai seeds. Please don't nobody say
anything bad to me
because my feelings get hurt real easy. I only ask
this because I
read through a couple of postings and thought some
people were a
bit rude. I was a little afraid to post but I am
very interested
in the bonsai because they are very beautiful little
trees and I
would like a place to ask questions and read what
other people
have to say about different aspects of bonsai
growing.

Ok, as I began saying, I just ordered some Japanese
zelkova
bonsai seeds. I would like to know if anyone has
experience with
this tree?
I have already made this post kinda long so I will
post questions
in another post if anyone can give me any info on
how to grow and
train this type of bonsai.

Thanks, Kim


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Kim,

Words written on the interenet come to us without the
inflections of voice. This has some harsh sounding
words sounding worse than ever intended.

If you want to grow bonsai from seed, it is best to be
a young person, it takes a long time. Most of us you
see corresponding regularly are not quite young enough
to consider starting from seed. Yet, this is the best
way to have total control over your creation.

One of the charactieristic of the Zelkova is it's
smooth bark. Prize trees show no blemishes or scars,
if scars, very intereting ones. They grow slow.

Growing trees to become bonsai is different than
getting a tree and styling it for bonsai. The good
thing about seedlings is that you can mess with the
roots early on for good placement, and that you can
begin shaping the trunk instead of being stuck with
what you get.

My attempts at seeds about 20 years ago where that the
birds and squirrles interfered too much, so I gave up.

Try this site for information;
http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/seed.htm

Kitsune Miko

Rick and Kim wrote:
Hello everyone, My name is Kim and I just ordered
some japanese
zelkova bonsai seeds. Please don't nobody say
anything bad to me
because my feelings get hurt real easy. I only ask
this because I
read through a couple of postings and thought some
people were a
bit rude. I was a little afraid to post but I am
very interested
in the bonsai because they are very beautiful little
trees and I
would like a place to ask questions and read what
other people
have to say about different aspects of bonsai
growing.

Ok, as I began saying, I just ordered some Japanese
zelkova
bonsai seeds. I would like to know if anyone has
experience with
this tree?
I have already made this post kinda long so I will
post questions
in another post if anyone can give me any info on
how to grow and
train this type of bonsai.

Thanks, Kim


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Kim,

Words written on the interenet come to us without the
inflections of voice. This has some harsh sounding
words sounding worse than ever intended.

If you want to grow bonsai from seed, it is best to be
a young person, it takes a long time. Most of us you
see corresponding regularly are not quite young enough
to consider starting from seed. Yet, this is the best
way to have total control over your creation.

One of the charactieristic of the Zelkova is it's
smooth bark. Prize trees show no blemishes or scars,
if scars, very intereting ones. They grow slow.

Growing trees to become bonsai is different than
getting a tree and styling it for bonsai. The good
thing about seedlings is that you can mess with the
roots early on for good placement, and that you can
begin shaping the trunk instead of being stuck with
what you get.

My attempts at seeds about 20 years ago where that the
birds and squirrles interfered too much, so I gave up.

Try this site for information;
http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/seed.htm

Kitsune Miko

Rick and Kim wrote:
Hello everyone, My name is Kim and I just ordered
some japanese
zelkova bonsai seeds. Please don't nobody say
anything bad to me
because my feelings get hurt real easy. I only ask
this because I
read through a couple of postings and thought some
people were a
bit rude. I was a little afraid to post but I am
very interested
in the bonsai because they are very beautiful little
trees and I
would like a place to ask questions and read what
other people
have to say about different aspects of bonsai
growing.

Ok, as I began saying, I just ordered some Japanese
zelkova
bonsai seeds. I would like to know if anyone has
experience with
this tree?
I have already made this post kinda long so I will
post questions
in another post if anyone can give me any info on
how to grow and
train this type of bonsai.

Thanks, Kim


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hi
Alan Walker wrote:

Kim: Henrik is correct that most people eventually find that
growing bonsai from seed is unsatisfactory because it makes a
long process much longer than it needs to be. It's not wrong or
foolish or stupid, just rather impractical. On the other hand, we
all do bonsai for slightly different reasons, and you may find
that developing your bonsai slowly over 20-30 years from seeds to
be very gratifying.
it depends
Japanese have the know how to make out a black pine fron from seeds
a quite nice appealing bonsai in 12 years
for maples I have seen wonderful bonsai from seedlings in 15 years
forget to do the same with oaks or junipers .. some plants grows and
give results in a reasonable lenght of time some others don't
growing from seedlings does not give you any betetr opportunity to
avoid to make mistakes can give you some advantage to make a good
neabari and rooting ( if you know how to ) otherwise it is jut a waste
of time
for some trees a cutting or air layering can make you gain some years
zekova it is not difficult to grow but you have to know first what make
it appealing as bonsai and avoid theh mistakes theht will spoil it when
a bonsai .. and some mistakes can hardly be erased
often trees form seeds are slightly different of what expected from
parents
if you like a tree and you really want exactly the same material you
need to make cuttings or air layering ..
learn a lot about bonsai specifications and know how,before
starting a task that you cannot imagine where will lead you at !



Here's a place where you can get good information about
Zelkova. http://www.bonsai-bci.com/species/zelkova.html As you
will see, it is more common to propagate Zelkova from layers or
cuttings than from seed.
As far as getting feelings hurt, that is your decision.
Your moods spring from your own thoughts and interpretations, so
we cannot take responsibility for them.

Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Gistvall

Well see if you find me rude or not ;-). I´m sorry to say seeds
are not
the best way to start with bonsai. It takes sevaral years before
you
have a plant that can be trained to a bonsai. Where do you live?
There
might be better trees that you can buy from a nursery to start
with, but
then we need to know in what part of the world you are.

Rick and Kim wrote:
Hello everyone, My name is Kim and I just ordered some japanese
zelkova bonsai seeds. Please don't nobody say anything bad to me
because my feelings get hurt real easy. I only ask this because I
read through a couple of postings and thought some people were a
bit rude. I was a little afraid to post but I am very interested
in the bonsai because they are very beautiful little trees and I
would like a place to ask questions and read what other people
have to say about different aspects of bonsai growing.

Ok, as I began saying, I just ordered some Japanese zelkova
bonsai seeds. I would like to know if anyone has experience with
this tree?
I have already made this post kinda long so I will post questions
in another post if anyone can give me any info on how to grow and
train this type of bonsai.

Thanks, Kim

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Rick and Kim wrote:

Hi everyone, actually I didn't find anyone rude to me at all, just
honest opinions.
I already bought the seeds and they are in the mail to me now. I have
done alot of reading on the internet and found everthing you people said
to be true before I even read what you said. I've been doing ALOT of
research. I'm 29 yrs old so maybe by the time I'm 60 my seeds will have
produced me some nice bonsai trees.
you'll get bored before then ..
start with something more satisfactory AND do your seedlings at the same

I really have all the time in the
world
do not think so it is illusory
time run faster than we think .-- and a mistake it takes a lot of time
to be erased, often a little mistake can destroy a plant so 20 years
work is gone in a blow d

because I am a stay at home wife with no kids and nothing better
to do. Im goig to go out and hunt for some already developed trees to
get a cutting and turn into bonsai. Is that the best way to go?
it is one possibility indeed

I live in Kansas. There is alot of wooded area around where I live so
maybe I can find some baby trees to dig up. I feel maybe that would be
best because they already have roots. I read somewhere that you can turn
almost anything into a bonsai. I have never had any experience with
bonsai but they are so adorable.
lean about bonsai, american bonsai ,the best varieties or easiest
ones are for the climate you live in

I read somewhere that you can even shape vines into bonsai. Well I have
a ivy houseplant and I wanted to experiment so pruned all the lower
leaves off and braided it into a tree. It looks so cute. I will show you
all a picture of it if you want to see. And don't worry, I can take
criticism but if I don't like what people say then I will just let it go
in one ear and out the other. (smile)
before doing or spoiling whatebver with scissors roots cutters or
fertilizer, or with taking trees from teh wild learn the basic ...

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Using cuttings and seedlings is also a slow method. You should buy big
plants, (as bis as you want or can handle). I wouldn´t go for anything
smaller than a 1" trunk unless you want to make really small bonsai. You
actually buy big plants and prune them to make them smaller. Almost like
a sculpturer cutting of pieces from a block of marble. Buying a young
seedling and letting it grow is an option but a slow one (at least there
in Sweden, we are talking about 20 years in open ground). Digging up
trees in the wild is also an option but here you should also go for the
bigger trees, not young seedlings (and you need permission from the land
owner). I think your first step is to do some reading, David Prescotts
Pocket bonsai is a good beginners book. Try to find a local bonsai club
to join.

Henrik Gistvall, Uppsala, Sweden

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Hi everyone, actually I didn't find anyone rude to me at all, just
honest opinions.
I already bought the seeds and they are in the mail to me now. I have
done alot of reading on the internet and found everthing you people said
to be true before I even read what you said. I've been doing ALOT of
research. I'm 29 yrs old so maybe by the time I'm 60 my seeds will have
produced me some nice bonsai trees. I really have all the time in the
world because I am a stay at home wife with no kids and nothing better
to do. Im goig to go out and hunt for some already developed trees to
get a cutting and turn into bonsai. Is that the best way to go?
I live in Kansas. There is alot of wooded area around where I live so
maybe I can find some baby trees to dig up. I feel maybe that would be
best because they already have roots. I read somewhere that you can turn
almost anything into a bonsai. I have never had any experience with
bonsai but they are so adorable.
I read somewhere that you can even shape vines into bonsai. Well I have
a ivy houseplant and I wanted to experiment so pruned all the lower
leaves off and braided it into a tree. It looks so cute. I will show you
all a picture of it if you want to see. And don't worry, I can take
criticism but if I don't like what people say then I will just let it go
in one ear and out the other. (smile)

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I read somewhere that you can turn almost anything into a bonsai.

Not quite. It must have the following traits:
Woody stem & branches.
Small leaves. If the leaves are medium size, they must reduce with bonsai care.
Small flowers & fruit. I. e. cherries & crabapples, not full-size apples.
Must be amenable to container growing. There are many trees, like mesquite,
which look as though they would make wonderful bonsai, but are almost
impossible to grow in a pot.
What species of trees do you find in a wooded area in Kansas? We will tell you
which ones to use for bonsai. Dig up the whole tree. Don't bother with
cuttings.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"A tree never hits an automobile except in self defense." - Woody Allen

I read somewhere that you can turn almost anything into a bonsai.

Not quite. It must have the following traits:
Woody stem & branches.
Small leaves. If the leaves are medium size, they must reduce with bonsai care.
Small flowers & fruit. I. e. cherries & crabapples, not full-size apples.
Must be amenable to container growing. There are many trees, like mesquite,
which look as though they would make wonderful bonsai, but are almost
impossible to grow in a pot.
What species of trees do you find in a wooded area in Kansas? We will tell you
which ones to use for bonsai. Dig up the whole tree. Don't bother with
cuttings.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"A tree never hits an automobile except in self defense." - Woody Allen