I had the pleasure to meet Marco in Poland two years ago. Actually I
also translated some of his workshop.
I think he is a very clever, nice and intelligent person. As bonsaist he
is really great and the fact that he is young means just that he really
has something and who knows what masterpieces will he make with more
experience.
On the other side, Theo is quite egocentric and narrowminded. He
quarrels with almost everybody on the Italian bonsai newsgroup.
I had a discussion with him a few month ago, but I realized that I just
lost my time and quit it.
So I ask you all too to let him alone and don't give him the
satisfaction to feel like the local hero.
Sorry for Marco but I think he will never get any apologies from Theo.

Regards
Enrico


Alfiero Suardi wrote:
Good evining to all,
I'm the sender of this letter by Marco Invernizzi, at this moment he is not
able to get email so he asked me to make.
Please don't reply to my email adress.
Regards
Alfiero Suardi

Hi everybody,
here is Marco Invernizzi. In the last few days Theo wrote something about me
that really offended me and my family. My surname is Invernizzi and for a
strange coincidence is the same surname of the foundator of a very
well-known cheese maker brand in Italy. Last year that Invernizzi died and 5
years ago he sold his company to the american Kraft. Unfortunally I never
had the great honour to meet the man that has started his fortune working at
age of 6 in a very small and humble cheese homemade shop near Milan. His
parents, like mine, were very simple people, with simple jobs and so
anything he archived in life was the result of a great effort.
As him, I started my bonsai carreer with nothing in my hand except a dream,
and when I moved to Japan to study with Kimura I had less than 2000$ in my
pocket, and even if my Master payed me a monthly salary I did 6 different
part-time jobs in 4 years of permanence in Japan to pay all my bills.
Now I ask to the gentleman who wrote such a FALSE things about me and my
family to send a e-mail of apologize to my parents, Franco and Cristina
Invernizzi, because they, more then any others, have been offended by the
despicables words of this person, Mr.Theo, who preferes to gossip about
bonsai masters instead of working hard to become one of them. My parents
will read this email on BCI forum.
I apologize to all the members of this bonsai forum for my poor english and
I send to everybody my best wishes for a good bonsai year!
Marco Invernizzi ( self-made bonsai artist)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Theo"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:48 AM
Subject: [IBC] Marco Invernizzi book



Bob Pastorio wrote:


Theo wrote:


HI

yes it easy when daddy pays you two years or more of tuition at


Kimura's

Invernizzi is one of the biggest Mozzarella and cheese company in
Italy ..


you can Zen when you do not need to strive like hoi polloy to make

your living

E pur se muove...


e vedremo dove andra'!


Marco may be like others who come from wealthy families whose striving
may be less burdensome than most endure, but it can't really be denied
that he has a remarkable gift.

Agreed ,I sow his works two years ago he is remarkable.. but he is
not a genious as kimura ( that I do not appreciate 100%) and too young
to be defined as such


His trees speak all the testimonial he
needs for that. Many, many people have all their schooling costs paid by
"daddy" and never achieve the depth and skill that Marco has.

not so sure .. when all is served on a silver tray , unless one is
a troll , cannot fail .. and he is not a Kimura yet .. he just started
off well ..time will tell and life is long ...


It is never easy to distinguish oneself as Marco has in this field, no
matter who pays for the education. When all is said and done, it's
results that count. It's the product of that education that counts.

I am sorry
I know what money can help and do ..and money always flows to those
who already has it..
if you are Mr nobody no one would give you a 1000 $ or more worth old
tree to work unless you pay it with your money.., nor you could pay
yourself editors for books living in a foreign country like japan
where is not cheap to live, , pay yourself a Kimura for tuitions , and
bonsai kilns have terrible working hours .. and no time to work part
time to earn your living .. if you do not have founds behind you, you
cannot efford it ...

so let's puts things in his right frame

but of course the trend today is the *fast generation*
before to become a well known master would have taken 10 -15
yearsor more ( see Kimura's curriculum ),today in 2 years and some
ads everybody is staring at you saying : OOOOHHHH openwide mouth like
geese!



It's where the person takes what he has learned. Watching him in
action, listening to him explain his thinking and talking with him at
a fair length showed me his extraordinary breadth of understanding.
This is astonishing in a person in his late 20's. We should all be as
talented and skilled.

I am not easily impressed
a lot of young proms got lost on their way .. it looks like he has
talent he has to show that his talent will evolve in time we will talk
about his talent in the next 20 years !
cheers
Theo



************************************************** **************************
****

++++Sponsored, in part, by Gregory Brenden++++


************************************************** **************************
****

-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --

+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++



************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Gregory Brenden++++
************************************************** ******************************

-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --

+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

I tried to contact you privately for some information , and your mail
was rejected as non existent
why do you use a fake address ?
thanks
Mathias

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:



SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT :
host mx.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.64.238]: 554 :
Recipient address rejected: Konto nie istnieje / No such user



DoctorC wrote:

I had the pleasure to meet Marco in Poland two years ago. Actually I
also translated some of his workshop.
I think he is a very clever, nice and intelligent person. As bonsaist he
is really great and the fact that he is young means just that he really
has something and who knows what masterpieces will he make with more
experience.
On the other side, Theo is quite egocentric and narrowminded. He
quarrels with almost everybody on the Italian bonsai newsgroup.
I had a discussion with him a few month ago, but I realized that I just
lost my time and quit it.
So I ask you all too to let him alone and don't give him the
satisfaction to feel like the local hero.
Sorry for Marco but I think he will never get any apologies from Theo.

Regards
Enrico


Alfiero Suardi wrote:

Good evining to all,
I'm the sender of this letter by Marco Invernizzi, at this moment he
is not
able to get email so he asked me to make.
Please don't reply to my email adress.
Regards
Alfiero Suardi

Hi everybody,
here is Marco Invernizzi. In the last few days Theo wrote something
about me
that really offended me and my family. My surname is Invernizzi and for a
strange coincidence is the same surname of the foundator of a very
well-known cheese maker brand in Italy. Last year that Invernizzi died
and 5
years ago he sold his company to the american Kraft. Unfortunally I never
had the great honour to meet the man that has started his fortune
working at
age of 6 in a very small and humble cheese homemade shop near Milan. His
parents, like mine, were very simple people, with simple jobs and so
anything he archived in life was the result of a great effort.
As him, I started my bonsai carreer with nothing in my hand except a
dream,
and when I moved to Japan to study with Kimura I had less than 2000$
in my
pocket, and even if my Master payed me a monthly salary I did 6 different
part-time jobs in 4 years of permanence in Japan to pay all my bills.
Now I ask to the gentleman who wrote such a FALSE things about me and my
family to send a e-mail of apologize to my parents, Franco and Cristina
Invernizzi, because they, more then any others, have been offended by the
despicables words of this person, Mr.Theo, who preferes to gossip about
bonsai masters instead of working hard to become one of them. My parents
will read this email on BCI forum.
I apologize to all the members of this bonsai forum for my poor
english and
I send to everybody my best wishes for a good bonsai year!
Marco Invernizzi ( self-made bonsai artist)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Theo"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:48 AM
Subject: [IBC] Marco Invernizzi book



Bob Pastorio wrote:


Theo wrote:


HI


yes it easy when daddy pays you two years or more of tuition at


Kimura's


Invernizzi is one of the biggest Mozzarella and cheese company in
Italy ..


you can Zen when you do not need to strive like hoi polloy to make


your living

E pur se muove...



e vedremo dove andra'!


Marco may be like others who come from wealthy families whose striving
may be less burdensome than most endure, but it can't really be denied
that he has a remarkable gift.


Agreed ,I sow his works two years ago he is remarkable.. but he is
not a genious as kimura ( that I do not appreciate 100%) and too young
to be defined as such


His trees speak all the testimonial he
needs for that. Many, many people have all their schooling costs
paid by
"daddy" and never achieve the depth and skill that Marco has.


not so sure .. when all is served on a silver tray , unless one is
a troll , cannot fail .. and he is not a Kimura yet .. he just started
off well ..time will tell and life is long ...


It is never easy to distinguish oneself as Marco has in this field, no
matter who pays for the education. When all is said and done, it's
results that count. It's the product of that education that counts.


I am sorry
I know what money can help and do ..and money always flows to those
who already has it..
if you are Mr nobody no one would give you a 1000 $ or more worth old
tree to work unless you pay it with your money.., nor you could pay
yourself editors for books living in a foreign country like japan
where is not cheap to live, , pay yourself a Kimura for tuitions , and
bonsai kilns have terrible working hours .. and no time to work part
time to earn your living .. if you do not have founds behind you, you
cannot efford it ...

so let's puts things in his right frame

but of course the trend today is the *fast generation*
before to become a well known master would have taken 10 -15
yearsor more ( see Kimura's curriculum ),today in 2 years and some
ads everybody is staring at you saying : OOOOHHHH openwide mouth like
geese!



It's where the person takes what he has learned. Watching him in
action, listening to him explain his thinking and talking with him at
a fair length showed me his extraordinary breadth of understanding.
This is astonishing in a person in his late 20's. We should all be as
talented and skilled.


I am not easily impressed
a lot of young proms got lost on their way .. it looks like he has
talent he has to show that his talent will evolve in time we will talk
about his talent in the next 20 years !
cheers
Theo



************************************************** **************************

****

++++Sponsored, in part, by Gregory Brenden++++


************************************************** **************************

****

-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/
--


+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail
+++++



************************************************** ******************************

++++Sponsored, in part, by Gregory Brenden++++
************************************************** ******************************


-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --


+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail
+++++

Hi
My name is Alejandro and I´m the person who made the first email about
the Marco´s book.
My coments was about the book and i dont understand a lot of people
wrote about Marco.
I apologize to Marco because i´m very bad reading this kind of email and
if a know for my email
All or someone talking about Marco person and NOT MARCO Work/bonsai i
did not write the email about his book.

I want to know about the bonsai and not about the person, if is the case
this is not a "cosmopolitan or people magazine" forum. This is Bonsai
ONLY.

Please no more.
Best to all, Alejandro
_______________
Alejandro Bedini G.

************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Gregory Brenden++++
************************************************** ******************************
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

Hi
My name is Alejandro and I´m the person who made the first email about
the Marco´s book.
My coments was about the book and i dont understand a lot of people
wrote about Marco.
I apologize to Marco because i´m very bad reading this kind of email and
if a know for my email
All or someone talking about Marco person and NOT MARCO Work/bonsai i
did not write the email about his book.

I want to know about the bonsai and not about the person, if is the case
this is not a "cosmopolitan or people magazine" forum. This is Bonsai
ONLY.

Please no more.
Best to all, Alejandro
_______________
Alejandro Bedini G.

************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Gregory Brenden++++
************************************************** ******************************
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++

I don't know why it has been rejected. It's not a faked address. Please
try again.
If you don't manage to reach me (I really don't understand why you
couldn't) let me know on the NG and I will contact you privately

Enrico

Mathias Uely wrote:
I tried to contact you privately for some information , and your mail
was rejected as non existent
why do you use a fake address ?
thanks
Mathias

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:



SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT :
host mx.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.64.238]: 554
:
Recipient address rejected: Konto nie istnieje / No such user




DoctorC wrote:

I had the pleasure to meet Marco in Poland two years ago. Actually I
also translated some of his workshop.
I think he is a very clever, nice and intelligent person. As bonsaist
he is really great and the fact that he is young means just that he
really has something and who knows what masterpieces will he make with
more experience.
On the other side, Theo is quite egocentric and narrowminded. He
quarrels with almost everybody on the Italian bonsai newsgroup.
I had a discussion with him a few month ago, but I realized that I
just lost my time and quit it.
So I ask you all too to let him alone and don't give him the
satisfaction to feel like the local hero.
Sorry for Marco but I think he will never get any apologies from Theo.

Regards
Enrico


Alfiero Suardi wrote:

Good evining to all,
I'm the sender of this letter by Marco Invernizzi, at this moment he
is not
able to get email so he asked me to make.
Please don't reply to my email adress.
Regards
Alfiero Suardi

Hi everybody,
here is Marco Invernizzi. In the last few days Theo wrote something
about me
that really offended me and my family. My surname is Invernizzi and
for a
strange coincidence is the same surname of the foundator of a very
well-known cheese maker brand in Italy. Last year that Invernizzi
died and 5
years ago he sold his company to the american Kraft. Unfortunally I
never
had the great honour to meet the man that has started his fortune
working at
age of 6 in a very small and humble cheese homemade shop near Milan. His
parents, like mine, were very simple people, with simple jobs and so
anything he archived in life was the result of a great effort.
As him, I started my bonsai carreer with nothing in my hand except a
dream,
and when I moved to Japan to study with Kimura I had less than 2000$
in my
pocket, and even if my Master payed me a monthly salary I did 6
different
part-time jobs in 4 years of permanence in Japan to pay all my bills.
Now I ask to the gentleman who wrote such a FALSE things about me and my
family to send a e-mail of apologize to my parents, Franco and Cristina
Invernizzi, because they, more then any others, have been offended by
the
despicables words of this person, Mr.Theo, who preferes to gossip about
bonsai masters instead of working hard to become one of them. My parents
will read this email on BCI forum.
I apologize to all the members of this bonsai forum for my poor
english and
I send to everybody my best wishes for a good bonsai year!
Marco Invernizzi ( self-made bonsai artist)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Theo"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:48 AM
Subject: [IBC] Marco Invernizzi book



Bob Pastorio wrote:


Theo wrote:


HI



yes it easy when daddy pays you two years or more of tuition at


Kimura's



Invernizzi is one of the biggest Mozzarella and cheese company in
Italy ..


you can Zen when you do not need to strive like hoi polloy to make



your living

E pur se muove...




e vedremo dove andra'!


Marco may be like others who come from wealthy families whose striving
may be less burdensome than most endure, but it can't really be denied
that he has a remarkable gift.



Agreed ,I sow his works two years ago he is remarkable.. but he is
not a genious as kimura ( that I do not appreciate 100%) and too young
to be defined as such


His trees speak all the testimonial he
needs for that. Many, many people have all their schooling costs
paid by
"daddy" and never achieve the depth and skill that Marco has.



not so sure .. when all is served on a silver tray , unless one is
a troll , cannot fail .. and he is not a Kimura yet .. he just started
off well ..time will tell and life is long ...


It is never easy to distinguish oneself as Marco has in this field, no
matter who pays for the education. When all is said and done, it's
results that count. It's the product of that education that counts.



I am sorry
I know what money can help and do ..and money always flows to those
who already has it..
if you are Mr nobody no one would give you a 1000 $ or more worth old
tree to work unless you pay it with your money.., nor you could pay
yourself editors for books living in a foreign country like japan
where is not cheap to live, , pay yourself a Kimura for tuitions , and
bonsai kilns have terrible working hours .. and no time to work part
time to earn your living .. if you do not have founds behind you, you
cannot efford it ...

so let's puts things in his right frame

but of course the trend today is the *fast generation*
before to become a well known master would have taken 10 -15
yearsor more ( see Kimura's curriculum ),today in 2 years and some
ads everybody is staring at you saying : OOOOHHHH openwide mouth
like
geese!



It's where the person takes what he has learned. Watching him in
action, listening to him explain his thinking and talking with him at
a fair length showed me his extraordinary breadth of understanding.
This is astonishing in a person in his late 20's. We should all be as
talented and skilled.



I am not easily impressed
a lot of young proms got lost on their way .. it looks like he has
talent he has to show that his talent will evolve in time we will talk
about his talent in the next 20 years !
cheers
Theo



************************************************** **************************

****

++++Sponsored, in part, by Gregory Brenden++++


************************************************** **************************

****

-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/
--



+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail
+++++



************************************************** ******************************

++++Sponsored, in part, by Gregory Brenden++++
************************************************** ******************************


-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/
--



+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail
+++++

Enrico,

Despite what you say, you do have a problem. I tried to send this to you
privately, and couldn't. This message wont have the impact of the private
one, because it is going through the list and I WILL SNIP IT.

Original message was:

Enrico,

Please, PLEASE, SNIP the unnecessary portion of your messages to the list.
All you really needed was Mathias' message, and your reply.

Please. SNIP.
Regards,
Shelly Hurd, List Manager.
Below this were umpteen lines of unnecessary posts, and at least two bottom
banners.

************************************************** ******************************
++++Sponsored, in part, by Gregory Brenden++++
************************************************** ******************************
-- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ --
+++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++