So there I was, thinking I was in good shape with my new fence around the
garden. It's 6' tall and graduated mesh starting small at the bottom and
getting bigger as it goes up. I looked in the garden and saw a rabbit which
had me wondering how in the heck it got in. I watched a while, and it went
to the fence, stood on it's hind legs and put it's front legs on the wire.
The rabbit then proceeded to climb about a foot and a half or so higher and
exit through the mesh where it was larger. I honestly had never seen or
heard of a rabbit climbing a fence, and it took me totally by surprise.
Has anyone else seen this happen?
Ken.
Who sadly is planning to either trap and re-locate the rabbits, or if worse
goes to worse will give them lead poisoning. I really don't want to do that.
When I was younger it didn't bother me, but now I just don't want to kill
anything.


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On 5/18/06 9:54 PM, in article ,
"Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote:

Who sadly is planning to either trap and re-locate the rabbits, or if worse
goes to worse will give them lead poisoning. I really don't want to do that.
When I was younger it didn't bother me, but now I just don't want to kill
anything.

Unless you eat only fruits, you are killing plants such as lettuce when you
eat them. I am not a PETA person, but why are plants any less alive than
animals?

Speaking of PETA, do PETA people think that it is ok to eat animals that
died of old age?

Bill
-- Ferme le Bush

Salmon Egg wrote:
On 5/18/06 9:54 PM, in article ,
"Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote:



Unless you eat only fruits, you are killing plants such as lettuce when you
eat them. I am not a PETA person, but why are plants any less alive than
animals?...

Bill
-- Ferme le Bush

When someone can prove to me that plants 'feel', know pain and have
emotions as animals do, then I'll revise my opinion. Till then, I'm
with those who don't kill unless it's absolutely necessary.

Maya.

On 5/19/06 4:09 AM, in article
, "Maya"
wrote:

When someone can prove to me that plants 'feel', know pain and have
emotions as animals do, then I'll revise my opinion. Till then, I'm
with those who don't kill unless it's absolutely necessary.

What does pain have to do with it? Is it ok to eat a drug addict after you
have fed him/her opiates to the point where they are happy and senseless to
pain and everything else? How about people who do not feel pain--I have met
at least one?

Bill
-- Ferme le Bush

Salmon Egg wrote:

On 5/18/06 9:54 PM, in article ,
"Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote:


Who sadly is planning to either trap and re-locate the rabbits, or if worse
goes to worse will give them lead poisoning. I really don't want to do that.
When I was younger it didn't bother me, but now I just don't want to kill
anything.


Unless you eat only fruits, you are killing plants such as lettuce when you
eat them. I am not a PETA person, but why are plants any less alive than
animals?

Speaking of PETA, do PETA people think that it is ok to eat animals that
died of old age?


I'd like to know if the PETA people take the pill (contains lactose). Do
any have diabetes and can't tolerate synthetic insulin and have to take
animal insulin. Do they have thyroid disease and have to take
Armour...which is dessicated pig thyroid. Do they take any of the
hundreds or thousands of drugs that contain animal by-products? Not
everything has a synthetic alternative.

PETA is nothing but another religion trying to shove their beliefs down
other people's throats. It's unrealistic to think our society can afford
to live only on vegetable matter. When a senior on a fixed income has a
choice between a $3 head of lettuce and a $3 rump roast that provides 4
meals...which choice will they make.



Bill
-- Ferme le Bush

D'accord!

..

Do you mean "People for the Eating of Tasty Animals?"

"If God didn't want us to eat animals why did He make 'em out of meat?"

I attribute both the above to anonymous others. I found 'em both on
the internet.

V

Salmon Egg wrote:

Unless you eat only fruits, you are killing plants such as lettuce when you
eat them. I am not a PETA person, but why are plants any less alive than
animals?


Andy asks:

For that matter, what about the fragile lives of viruses and bacteria
?
Are they less alive that larger entities , such as ourselves, and wooly
mastodons, and aardvarks ?

Do we have the right to take drugs when we are ill and kill the
millions of germs that also have the gift of life ?

Too deep for me to ponder. I'm getting another beer and look up
the words to "I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen" one more time.......

Andy in Eureka, Texas

"Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote in
:


So there I was, thinking I was in good shape with my new fence around
the garden. It's 6' tall and graduated mesh starting small at the
bottom and getting bigger as it goes up. I looked in the garden and
saw a rabbit which had me wondering how in the heck it got in. I
watched a while, and it went to the fence, stood on it's hind legs and
put it's front legs on the wire. The rabbit then proceeded to climb
about a foot and a half or so higher and exit through the mesh where
it was larger. I honestly had never seen or heard of a rabbit climbing
a fence, and it took me totally by surprise. Has anyone else seen this
happen? Ken.

*trim*

Why not get some screen and put that on the fence? It won't be as
transparent, but it'll still look ok and keep the rabbits out.

Smart Rabbit. Gotta tip your hat, then come up with something better.
;-)

Puckdropper
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*trim*

Why not get some screen and put that on the fence? It won't be as
transparent, but it'll still look ok and keep the rabbits out.

Smart Rabbit. Gotta tip your hat, then come up with something better.
;-)

Puckdropper

Ken Replies:
Your suggestion is the first one I thought of. I just don't care for the
idea of buying 540 feet of fencing at this time, as it has gotten rather
expensive. I am also thinking that it would not be terribly attractive to
have another layer of fencing laid on top of the other fencing material.
Ken.

"Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote in
:



Ken Replies:
Your suggestion is the first one I thought of. I just don't care for
the idea of buying 540 feet of fencing at this time, as it has gotten
rather expensive. I am also thinking that it would not be terribly
attractive to have another layer of fencing laid on top of the other
fencing material. Ken.




Sure, but management can come to an agreement $$$ with the roof tops and
get rid of the "wind screen." Oh, sorry... not your situation. (For you
non-Cubs fans, I'm referring to management's boneheaded decision a few
years ago to make more money.)

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Kenneth D. Schillinger wrote:

So there I was, thinking I was in good shape with my new fence around the
garden. It's 6' tall and graduated mesh starting small at the bottom and
getting bigger as it goes up. I looked in the garden and saw a rabbit which
had me wondering how in the heck it got in. I watched a while, and it went
to the fence, stood on it's hind legs and put it's front legs on the wire.
The rabbit then proceeded to climb about a foot and a half or so higher and
exit through the mesh where it was larger. I honestly had never seen or
heard of a rabbit climbing a fence, and it took me totally by surprise.
Has anyone else seen this happen?
Ken.
Who sadly is planning to either trap and re-locate the rabbits, or if worse
goes to worse will give them lead poisoning. I really don't want to do that.
When I was younger it didn't bother me, but now I just don't want to kill
anything.


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That's one smart rabbit! I know where you are coming from. We have a
healthy wild rabbit population and I don't like the idea of fencing.
Mothballs scattered around the perimeter of the garden help keep them
out of your garden. If you can't tolerate the smell of mothballs a
motion activated sprayer is a great deterrant. CritterRidder is a
product you can use that lasts 30 days even in rain and it has no smell.
A cheaper solution is a cayenne pepper/powdered pepper mix but I don't
like to use that because it does harm the animal. Check for and remove
other souces of food such as bird feeders. I have 3 bird feeders, one
filled with a corn mix. The starlings discovered it so there was a mess
under the feeder. I didn't think much about it until I had to chase 2
wild rabbits out from under it. Obviously they like corn! I
temporarily changed the seed to niger seed to discourage the starlings
and rabbits. So far that approach has works but niger seed is expensive
so I'm going to try safflower seed. Another trick is to remove hiding
spots like wood piles. Traps are surprisingly ineffective for rabbits
according to our pest removal service. The reason they are ineffective
is the rabbit sees no need to go into the trap when surrounded by a
vegetable buffet A cat is rather effective as are some dogs but that
won't be much help if you don't want a pet. I have raised beds so tried
a 2' high temporay fencing of chicken wire around one bed. It has
been very effective. I don't like the looks of it though so I'm using
methods mentioned above. DH thinks a pellet gun would be effective as
well except I'd likely take out every neighbour and windows for miles
around while the rabbits sat there laughing at me so that isn't an option.

BTW, I know we have a lot of rabbits. We got a late snow and the yard
and gardens were covered with rabbit prints. I posted a picture on my
websites below.

Garden Gnome

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/garden_wanderings
http://gardengnomewanderings.blogspot.com/

Garden Gnome Said:

That's one smart rabbit! I know where you are coming from. We have a
healthy wild rabbit population and I don't like the idea of fencing.
Mothballs scattered around the perimeter of the garden help keep them out
of your garden. If you can't tolerate the smell of mothballs a motion
activated sprayer is a great deterrant. CritterRidder is a product you
can use that lasts 30 days even in rain and it has no smell. A cheaper
solution is a cayenne pepper/powdered pepper mix but I don't like to use
that because it does harm the animal. Check for and remove other souces
of food such as bird feeders. I have 3 bird feeders, one filled with a
corn mix. The starlings discovered it so there was a mess under the
feeder. I didn't think much about it until I had to chase 2 wild rabbits
out from under it. Obviously they like corn! I temporarily changed the
seed to niger seed to discourage the starlings and rabbits. So far that
approach has works but niger seed is expensive so I'm going to try
safflower seed. Another trick is to remove hiding spots like wood piles.
Traps are surprisingly ineffective for rabbits according to our pest
removal service. The reason they are ineffective is the rabbit sees no
need to go into the trap when surrounded by a vegetable buffet A cat
is rather effective as are some dogs but that won't be much help if you
don't want a pet. I have raised beds so tried a 2' high temporay fencing
of chicken wire around one bed. It has been very effective. I don't like
the looks of it though so I'm using methods mentioned above. DH thinks a
pellet gun would be effective as well except I'd likely take out every
neighbour and windows for miles around while the rabbits sat there
laughing at me so that isn't an option.

BTW, I know we have a lot of rabbits. We got a late snow and the yard and
gardens were covered with rabbit prints. I posted a picture on my
websites below.

Garden Gnome

--

Ken Replied:

I probably should have mentioned in my original post, that the garden is 70'
X 200', so measures such as pepper or more fencing will require a good deal
of material, hence a good deal of expense.
More than anything, this post was sharing my amazement at how clever the
critters are getting!
Take Care All, Ken.

In article ,
"Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote:

So there I was, thinking I was in good shape with my new fence around the
garden. It's 6' tall and graduated mesh starting small at the bottom and
getting bigger as it goes up. I looked in the garden and saw a rabbit which
had me wondering how in the heck it got in. I watched a while, and it went
to the fence, stood on it's hind legs and put it's front legs on the wire.
The rabbit then proceeded to climb about a foot and a half or so higher and
exit through the mesh where it was larger. I honestly had never seen or
heard of a rabbit climbing a fence, and it took me totally by surprise.
Has anyone else seen this happen?
Ken.
Who sadly is planning to either trap and re-locate the rabbits, or if worse
goes to worse will give them lead poisoning. I really don't want to do that.
When I was younger it didn't bother me, but now I just don't want to kill
anything.


Get a roll of aluminum roof flashing.
It's cheap.

Wrap it around the base of the fence about 1 ft. up.
That will stop him from climbing.

BTW, wild rabbit is delicious. ;-d
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

You might get a low-voltage electric fence. Many pet supply stores have
them. They are inexpensive and work very well.

I joined the *other* PETA.......People Eating Tasty Animals. mmmmmm
braised wabbit.
"Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote in message
...

So there I was, thinking I was in good shape with my new fence around the
garden. It's 6' tall and graduated mesh starting small at the bottom and
getting bigger as it goes up. I looked in the garden and saw a rabbit
which had me wondering how in the heck it got in. I watched a while, and
it went to the fence, stood on it's hind legs and put it's front legs on
the wire. The rabbit then proceeded to climb about a foot and a half or so
higher and exit through the mesh where it was larger. I honestly had never
seen or heard of a rabbit climbing a fence, and it took me totally by
surprise.
Has anyone else seen this happen?
Ken.
Who sadly is planning to either trap and re-locate the rabbits, or if
worse goes to worse will give them lead poisoning. I really don't want to
do that. When I was younger it didn't bother me, but now I just don't want
to kill anything.


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Actually that is an excellent suggestion. They are high current but very low
D.C. voltage and the existing fence could be charged. You might feel a good
"tingle" but a small animal would get the stew knocked out of him. Probably
not lethal but he would remember not to scale *that* fence again looking for
a free meal!
Dave...Down in Florida

"pyramid" wrote in message
...
You might get a low-voltage electric fence. Many pet supply stores have
them. They are inexpensive and work very well.

I joined the *other* PETA.......People Eating Tasty Animals. mmmmmm
braised wabbit.
"Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote in message
...

So there I was, thinking I was in good shape with my new fence around the
garden. It's 6' tall and graduated mesh starting small at the bottom and
getting bigger as it goes up. I looked in the garden and saw a rabbit
which had me wondering how in the heck it got in. I watched a while, and
it went to the fence, stood on it's hind legs and put it's front legs on
the wire. The rabbit then proceeded to climb about a foot and a half or
so higher and exit through the mesh where it was larger. I honestly had
never seen or heard of a rabbit climbing a fence, and it took me totally
by surprise.
Has anyone else seen this happen?
Ken.
Who sadly is planning to either trap and re-locate the rabbits, or if
worse goes to worse will give them lead poisoning. I really don't want to
do that. When I was younger it didn't bother me, but now I just don't
want to kill anything.


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