So there I was, thinking I was in good shape with my new fence around the
garden. It's 6' tall and graduated mesh starting small at the bottom and
getting bigger as it goes up. I looked in the garden and saw a rabbit which
had me wondering how in the heck it got in. I watched a while, and it went
to the fence, stood on it's hind legs and put it's front legs on the wire.
The rabbit then proceeded to climb about a foot and a half or so higher and
exit through the mesh where it was larger. I honestly had never seen or
heard of a rabbit climbing a fence, and it took me totally by surprise.
Has anyone else seen this happen?
Ken.
Who sadly is planning to either trap and re-locate the rabbits, or if worse
goes to worse will give them lead poisoning. I really don't want to do that.
When I was younger it didn't bother me, but now I just don't want to kill
anything.


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On 5/18/06 9:54 PM, in article ,
"Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote:

Who sadly is planning to either trap and re-locate the rabbits, or if worse
goes to worse will give them lead poisoning. I really don't want to do that.
When I was younger it didn't bother me, but now I just don't want to kill
anything.

Unless you eat only fruits, you are killing plants such as lettuce when you
eat them. I am not a PETA person, but why are plants any less alive than
animals?

Speaking of PETA, do PETA people think that it is ok to eat animals that
died of old age?

Bill
-- Ferme le Bush

"Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote in
:


So there I was, thinking I was in good shape with my new fence around
the garden. It's 6' tall and graduated mesh starting small at the
bottom and getting bigger as it goes up. I looked in the garden and
saw a rabbit which had me wondering how in the heck it got in. I
watched a while, and it went to the fence, stood on it's hind legs and
put it's front legs on the wire. The rabbit then proceeded to climb
about a foot and a half or so higher and exit through the mesh where
it was larger. I honestly had never seen or heard of a rabbit climbing
a fence, and it took me totally by surprise. Has anyone else seen this
happen? Ken.

*trim*

Why not get some screen and put that on the fence? It won't be as
transparent, but it'll still look ok and keep the rabbits out.

Smart Rabbit. Gotta tip your hat, then come up with something better.
;-)

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Salmon Egg wrote:
On 5/18/06 9:54 PM, in article ,
"Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote:



Unless you eat only fruits, you are killing plants such as lettuce when you
eat them. I am not a PETA person, but why are plants any less alive than
animals?...

Bill
-- Ferme le Bush

When someone can prove to me that plants 'feel', know pain and have
emotions as animals do, then I'll revise my opinion. Till then, I'm
with those who don't kill unless it's absolutely necessary.

Maya.

Salmon Egg wrote:

On 5/18/06 9:54 PM, in article ,
"Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote:


Who sadly is planning to either trap and re-locate the rabbits, or if worse
goes to worse will give them lead poisoning. I really don't want to do that.
When I was younger it didn't bother me, but now I just don't want to kill
anything.


Unless you eat only fruits, you are killing plants such as lettuce when you
eat them. I am not a PETA person, but why are plants any less alive than
animals?

Speaking of PETA, do PETA people think that it is ok to eat animals that
died of old age?


I'd like to know if the PETA people take the pill (contains lactose). Do
any have diabetes and can't tolerate synthetic insulin and have to take
animal insulin. Do they have thyroid disease and have to take
Armour...which is dessicated pig thyroid. Do they take any of the
hundreds or thousands of drugs that contain animal by-products? Not
everything has a synthetic alternative.

PETA is nothing but another religion trying to shove their beliefs down
other people's throats. It's unrealistic to think our society can afford
to live only on vegetable matter. When a senior on a fixed income has a
choice between a $3 head of lettuce and a $3 rump roast that provides 4
meals...which choice will they make.



Bill
-- Ferme le Bush

D'accord!

..

Kenneth D. Schillinger wrote:

So there I was, thinking I was in good shape with my new fence around the
garden. It's 6' tall and graduated mesh starting small at the bottom and
getting bigger as it goes up. I looked in the garden and saw a rabbit which
had me wondering how in the heck it got in. I watched a while, and it went
to the fence, stood on it's hind legs and put it's front legs on the wire.
The rabbit then proceeded to climb about a foot and a half or so higher and
exit through the mesh where it was larger. I honestly had never seen or
heard of a rabbit climbing a fence, and it took me totally by surprise.
Has anyone else seen this happen?
Ken.
Who sadly is planning to either trap and re-locate the rabbits, or if worse
goes to worse will give them lead poisoning. I really don't want to do that.
When I was younger it didn't bother me, but now I just don't want to kill
anything.


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That's one smart rabbit! I know where you are coming from. We have a
healthy wild rabbit population and I don't like the idea of fencing.
Mothballs scattered around the perimeter of the garden help keep them
out of your garden. If you can't tolerate the smell of mothballs a
motion activated sprayer is a great deterrant. CritterRidder is a
product you can use that lasts 30 days even in rain and it has no smell.
A cheaper solution is a cayenne pepper/powdered pepper mix but I don't
like to use that because it does harm the animal. Check for and remove
other souces of food such as bird feeders. I have 3 bird feeders, one
filled with a corn mix. The starlings discovered it so there was a mess
under the feeder. I didn't think much about it until I had to chase 2
wild rabbits out from under it. Obviously they like corn! I
temporarily changed the seed to niger seed to discourage the starlings
and rabbits. So far that approach has works but niger seed is expensive
so I'm going to try safflower seed. Another trick is to remove hiding
spots like wood piles. Traps are surprisingly ineffective for rabbits
according to our pest removal service. The reason they are ineffective
is the rabbit sees no need to go into the trap when surrounded by a
vegetable buffet A cat is rather effective as are some dogs but that
won't be much help if you don't want a pet. I have raised beds so tried
a 2' high temporay fencing of chicken wire around one bed. It has
been very effective. I don't like the looks of it though so I'm using
methods mentioned above. DH thinks a pellet gun would be effective as
well except I'd likely take out every neighbour and windows for miles
around while the rabbits sat there laughing at me so that isn't an option.

BTW, I know we have a lot of rabbits. We got a late snow and the yard
and gardens were covered with rabbit prints. I posted a picture on my
websites below.

Garden Gnome

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*trim*

Why not get some screen and put that on the fence? It won't be as
transparent, but it'll still look ok and keep the rabbits out.

Smart Rabbit. Gotta tip your hat, then come up with something better.
;-)

Puckdropper

Ken Replies:
Your suggestion is the first one I thought of. I just don't care for the
idea of buying 540 feet of fencing at this time, as it has gotten rather
expensive. I am also thinking that it would not be terribly attractive to
have another layer of fencing laid on top of the other fencing material.
Ken.

Garden Gnome Said:

That's one smart rabbit! I know where you are coming from. We have a
healthy wild rabbit population and I don't like the idea of fencing.
Mothballs scattered around the perimeter of the garden help keep them out
of your garden. If you can't tolerate the smell of mothballs a motion
activated sprayer is a great deterrant. CritterRidder is a product you
can use that lasts 30 days even in rain and it has no smell. A cheaper
solution is a cayenne pepper/powdered pepper mix but I don't like to use
that because it does harm the animal. Check for and remove other souces
of food such as bird feeders. I have 3 bird feeders, one filled with a
corn mix. The starlings discovered it so there was a mess under the
feeder. I didn't think much about it until I had to chase 2 wild rabbits
out from under it. Obviously they like corn! I temporarily changed the
seed to niger seed to discourage the starlings and rabbits. So far that
approach has works but niger seed is expensive so I'm going to try
safflower seed. Another trick is to remove hiding spots like wood piles.
Traps are surprisingly ineffective for rabbits according to our pest
removal service. The reason they are ineffective is the rabbit sees no
need to go into the trap when surrounded by a vegetable buffet A cat
is rather effective as are some dogs but that won't be much help if you
don't want a pet. I have raised beds so tried a 2' high temporay fencing
of chicken wire around one bed. It has been very effective. I don't like
the looks of it though so I'm using methods mentioned above. DH thinks a
pellet gun would be effective as well except I'd likely take out every
neighbour and windows for miles around while the rabbits sat there
laughing at me so that isn't an option.

BTW, I know we have a lot of rabbits. We got a late snow and the yard and
gardens were covered with rabbit prints. I posted a picture on my
websites below.

Garden Gnome

--

Ken Replied:

I probably should have mentioned in my original post, that the garden is 70'
X 200', so measures such as pepper or more fencing will require a good deal
of material, hence a good deal of expense.
More than anything, this post was sharing my amazement at how clever the
critters are getting!
Take Care All, Ken.

In article ,
"Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote:

So there I was, thinking I was in good shape with my new fence around the
garden. It's 6' tall and graduated mesh starting small at the bottom and
getting bigger as it goes up. I looked in the garden and saw a rabbit which
had me wondering how in the heck it got in. I watched a while, and it went
to the fence, stood on it's hind legs and put it's front legs on the wire.
The rabbit then proceeded to climb about a foot and a half or so higher and
exit through the mesh where it was larger. I honestly had never seen or
heard of a rabbit climbing a fence, and it took me totally by surprise.
Has anyone else seen this happen?
Ken.
Who sadly is planning to either trap and re-locate the rabbits, or if worse
goes to worse will give them lead poisoning. I really don't want to do that.
When I was younger it didn't bother me, but now I just don't want to kill
anything.


Get a roll of aluminum roof flashing.
It's cheap.

Wrap it around the base of the fence about 1 ft. up.
That will stop him from climbing.

BTW, wild rabbit is delicious. ;-d
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

You might get a low-voltage electric fence. Many pet supply stores have
them. They are inexpensive and work very well.

I joined the *other* PETA.......People Eating Tasty Animals. mmmmmm
braised wabbit.
"Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote in message
...

So there I was, thinking I was in good shape with my new fence around the
garden. It's 6' tall and graduated mesh starting small at the bottom and
getting bigger as it goes up. I looked in the garden and saw a rabbit
which had me wondering how in the heck it got in. I watched a while, and
it went to the fence, stood on it's hind legs and put it's front legs on
the wire. The rabbit then proceeded to climb about a foot and a half or so
higher and exit through the mesh where it was larger. I honestly had never
seen or heard of a rabbit climbing a fence, and it took me totally by
surprise.
Has anyone else seen this happen?
Ken.
Who sadly is planning to either trap and re-locate the rabbits, or if
worse goes to worse will give them lead poisoning. I really don't want to
do that. When I was younger it didn't bother me, but now I just don't want
to kill anything.


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Actually that is an excellent suggestion. They are high current but very low
D.C. voltage and the existing fence could be charged. You might feel a good
"tingle" but a small animal would get the stew knocked out of him. Probably
not lethal but he would remember not to scale *that* fence again looking for
a free meal!
Dave...Down in Florida

"pyramid" wrote in message
...
You might get a low-voltage electric fence. Many pet supply stores have
them. They are inexpensive and work very well.

I joined the *other* PETA.......People Eating Tasty Animals. mmmmmm
braised wabbit.
"Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote in message
...

So there I was, thinking I was in good shape with my new fence around the
garden. It's 6' tall and graduated mesh starting small at the bottom and
getting bigger as it goes up. I looked in the garden and saw a rabbit
which had me wondering how in the heck it got in. I watched a while, and
it went to the fence, stood on it's hind legs and put it's front legs on
the wire. The rabbit then proceeded to climb about a foot and a half or
so higher and exit through the mesh where it was larger. I honestly had
never seen or heard of a rabbit climbing a fence, and it took me totally
by surprise.
Has anyone else seen this happen?
Ken.
Who sadly is planning to either trap and re-locate the rabbits, or if
worse goes to worse will give them lead poisoning. I really don't want to
do that. When I was younger it didn't bother me, but now I just don't
want to kill anything.


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"Kenneth D. Schillinger" wrote in
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Ken Replies:
Your suggestion is the first one I thought of. I just don't care for
the idea of buying 540 feet of fencing at this time, as it has gotten
rather expensive. I am also thinking that it would not be terribly
attractive to have another layer of fencing laid on top of the other
fencing material. Ken.




Sure, but management can come to an agreement $$$ with the roof tops and
get rid of the "wind screen." Oh, sorry... not your situation. (For you
non-Cubs fans, I'm referring to management's boneheaded decision a few
years ago to make more money.)

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still enjoy using the old computers. Sometimes we want to see how far a
particular system can go, other times we use a stock system to remind
ourselves of what we once had.

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Andy comments:

My neighbor had a big problem with wild pigs going into his
yard and night and ripping up the sod as they hunted for
grubs and whatever the hell else wild pigs rip up sod for....

His solution was to put up an electric fence wire about a
foot off the ground. It was purchased at a local farm supply
store... Typically they administer a high voltage shock which
is very very short at a rate of 3 to 5 shocks per second. It
is very annoying but not dangerous. You can test it by
touching it and savoring the unpleasantness, but it can't
hurt you because the shocks are so short. It is normally
used for horses and cattle...

Anyway, it solved his problem.... After 2 months, he took
it down, and the pigs haven't come back..... I suppose the
word got around in the wild pig world --- pigs learn very
fast.....

I don't know if it would work for rabbits, but I suspect that
if it were positioned properly , it might......

Andy in Eureka, Texas

( If you spread corn in your back yard so the wild
pigs will rototill your garden for you, you might
live in Eureka, Texas )

Do you mean "People for the Eating of Tasty Animals?"

"If God didn't want us to eat animals why did He make 'em out of meat?"

I attribute both the above to anonymous others. I found 'em both on
the internet.

V

Here's the deal Andy:
I have thought about using an electric fencer; I just can't find either of
the two I have here somewhere. We used to have cattle and horses which we
used them for. I never thought about using one for rabbits as I don't know
if it will be effective or not. The main thing I was originally trying to
point out was my sense of incredulity that a rabbit could or would perform a
fence climbing maneuver.
Ken.

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"AndyS" wrote in message
ups.com...
Andy comments:

if you plan to eat the little rascal, you should use google
with the keywords " rabbit fever ". You will find how to avoid
getting this undesireable disease and how to check the
rabbits innards to see if it is diseased. It's probably OK
anyway, but you should understand the one or two diseases
that you can get from wild stock so you can be sure you're
safe ( rabbit fever and rabies )....

Andy in Eureka, Texas

( If you have more owls in your yard than dogs, and
all the cats have disappeared, you might live in
Eureka, Texas )