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"Rachael Simpson" wrote: Mine is has the visa logo also. Any debit cards with a major credit card logo have the same perks as a credit without all the downfalls. or that's the way it works around here anyway. definitely check with your bank - but if you have the logo - you should be fine. rae Thanks again. :-) I have managed to pay off all of my credit card debt and am trying to totally avoid using them at all. Interest rates are usery! -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 13:58:37 -0700, wrote:
the problem is, all carbon based fuels release CO2 when burned. what we need is to break the hydrogen oxygen bond in water and then burn the hydrogen back to water. plants do this, they use solar energy to knock the hydrogen off the water, use the energy of the electrons to form a covalent bond (organic) that stores the energy (using CO2). That is really clean energy. Ingrid That sounds nice but it costs significantly more to extract hydrogen from water then to produce it any other way. The most economical way at present to produce hydrogen on a massive scale is steam reforming of the methane in natural gas or coal gas in which the gas is combined with superheated steam, releasing hydrogen and carbon dioxide. CH4+2H2O=4H2+CO2 if I got my chemistry right. This is the Bush hydrogen initiative. No improvement in carbon dioxide emissions, but it would be a boon for the natural gas and coal industries. And that's the real point of it. Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove "Choose your leaders with wisdom and forethought. To be led by a coward is to be controlled by all that the coward fears. To be led by a fool is to be led by the opportunists who control the fool. To be led by a thief is to offer up your most precious treasures to be stolen. To be led by a liar is to ask to be lied to. To be led by a tyrant is to sell yourself and those you love into slavery." Octavia Butler |
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plants do it very economically. we just need to figure out how to
replicate it, probably using variations on the organic enzymes plants use and do it in vitro. Ingrid On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 01:02:40 GMT, "Lorenzo L. Love" wrote: On Thu, 31 May 2007 13:58:37 -0700, wrote: the problem is, all carbon based fuels release CO2 when burned. what we need is to break the hydrogen oxygen bond in water and then burn the hydrogen back to water. plants do this, they use solar energy to knock the hydrogen off the water, use the energy of the electrons to form a covalent bond (organic) that stores the energy (using CO2). That is really clean energy. Ingrid That sounds nice but it costs significantly more to extract hydrogen from water then to produce it any other way. The most economical way at present to produce hydrogen on a massive scale is steam reforming of the methane in natural gas or coal gas in which the gas is combined with superheated steam, releasing hydrogen and carbon dioxide. CH4+2H2O=4H2+CO2 if I got my chemistry right. This is the Bush hydrogen initiative. No improvement in carbon dioxide emissions, but it would be a boon for the natural gas and coal industries. And that's the real point of it. Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove "Choose your leaders with wisdom and forethought. To be led by a coward is to be controlled by all that the coward fears. To be led by a fool is to be led by the opportunists who control the fool. To be led by a thief is to offer up your most precious treasures to be stolen. To be led by a liar is to ask to be lied to. To be led by a tyrant is to sell yourself and those you love into slavery." Octavia Butler |
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not citric acid, not electron transport. use first stage of light
reaction in photosynthesis. H2O + photon -2 H+ and electrons and O I am thinking more about make the hydrogen as you go AND have some kind of storage for the hydrogen that is more stable, like H2CO3 = H+ and HCO3. The actual electrons are what fuels ATP production during the light cycle so electrons can be stored. Ingrid On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:10:13 -0700, Billy Rose wrote: If you are planing on using the Citric Acid Cycle H2 + O2 is a great source for energy but I don't think you want a pressurized cylinder of it under the back seat of your car. |
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electrical plugs just put off the problem. somebody somewhere gotta
burn something to make the electricity. if they are making hydrogen from water, fine, if it is nuclear less than ideal. platinum is typically used to catalyze the splitting of water, used with an electrical current in an ionic but not necessarily acidic environment. Ingrid On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:35:35 -0700, Billy Rose wrote: Even more practical would be the electric plug in vehicle. |
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Hmmm .... My 2 cents.
My thinking goes likes this. I like my modern technological life. I like my computers, cars, lights, HBO and modern medical techniques. I refuse to live in a cave. Street maybe, if I keep spending the way I am :) Solar and wind energy together is too expensive for the small amount of electricity one receives. In order to get large amounts of energy one has to destroy something to get it: be it coal, nuclear, Fusion is just a dream a false hope, wood or any other agricultural source. If one (ok the world) uses agricultural sources, bread will be twenty dollars a loaf, greater starvation among the populated world. Coal, CO2 scrubbers still leaves toxic waste in our land fills. Hydrogen, needs electricity to extract from water. Bio-mass - Agicultural, kiss all forest good-by, not just the rain forest. If .... If and only if they can make them safe and put its waste in outer space, are the breeder nuclear reactors. "The old saying - Is anything safe? NO". The only way to have a clean, healthy earth for everyone on this planet, IS POPULATION REDUCTION. ie: make bombs not babies (ok, ok, forget the reverse pun of the sixty's vietnam) just stop breeding like humans. However, not sure of the future. My next truck will have an E85 engine. I have read some where that all one has to do is combine 85 gallons of ethanal with 15 gallons of regular gas. Buy a still, I have the 10 acres of land to raise corn and have 6 acres of woods (energy source for the still). Its all about me, let the world starve. Conservation is a lost cause without population reduction. I am single with no kids. With no social life one has the time to do the things listed above. So I agree with the original poster: Home Gardening "is" Becoming Even More Imperative. Enjoy Life ......... Dan. In article , Billy Rose wrote: In article , wrote: electrical plugs just put off the problem. somebody somewhere gotta burn something to make the electricity. True, but then you can use bio-mass and your not burning fossil fuel. Additionally, you have the option of scrubbing the smoke stack to sequester the CO2 and reduce the over all amount in the atmosphere. if they are making hydrogen from water, fine, if it is nuclear less than ideal. About as far as you can get from ideal, IMHO. In 30 - 40 years, fusion reactors should be viable with lots of safe, clean energy. Why mess up the planet for a 40 year fix, when it creates more problems than it solves? platinum is typically used to catalyze the splitting of water, used with an electrical current in an ionic but not necessarily acidic environment. The April '07 issue of Scientific American addresses the issue of hydrogen storage. The choices are (1) compressed hyrdogen, (2) liquid hydrogen (Ever see the demonstration where they dip a rose into liquid helium? Same kinda deal) (3) reversible "hydrogen metal hydrides" (they generate H+ in response to heat and a catalyst and, they need to be removed to recharge) and (4) "hydrogen adsorbents" that work like sponges (don't need to be removed to recharge but research just beginning). Unfortunately, the full article isn't available on line without a subscription but you could find it at the library and, the graphics are very helpful in helping understand the problems involved. Ingrid On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:35:35 -0700, Billy Rose - Billy Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) wrote: Even more practical would be the electric plug in vehicle. -- Email "dan lehr at comcast dot net". Text only or goes to trash automatically. |
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, "Dan L." wrote: Hmmm .... My 2 cents. Uh, nice string of pronouncements Dan. Usually it is nice if you can give them a little authority, names, places, logic based on an acceptable premise. You know, something like that would have been nice, instead of coming down the mountain with your clay tablets. (Yeah, I know, sarcastic, people have told me that. My thinking goes likes this. I like my modern technological life. I like my computers, cars, lights, HBO and modern medical techniques. I refuse to live in a cave. Street maybe, if I keep spending the way I am :) Keep your technology but Americans presently use 25% of the worlds energy. That will change. We can look forward to a diminished way of life. Sorry Dave. (Jeeze, I sound like Hal, the computer) The alternative is to send out the troops with bayonets fixed and subjugate the world. Since we are not alone in the nuclear club, some of those suckers may not want to go down easily. How do you feel about trying to swim in the non-radioactive end of the pool? Solar and wind energy together is too expensive for the small amount of electricity one receives. In order to get large amounts of energy one has to destroy something to get it: be it coal, nuclear, Fusion is just a dream a false hope, wood or any other agricultural source. If one (ok the world) uses agricultural sources, bread will be twenty dollars a loaf, greater starvation among the populated world. Presently, wind, photovoltaic, and hydro power (including tides) is too little and more expensive than fossil fuel (if you don't count the social impact of global warming i.e. our extinction). Someone must have forgotten to tell the international consortium that is constructing a fusion reactor in France that Dave said it couldn't be done. Scrubbing smoke stacks with water and calcium hydroxide Ca(OH)2 gives you calcium carbonate and water. Chalk, Dave, chalk doesn't sound so polluting, does it? We are already over producing food (look at you waistline) and demographics say that the population of the planet should drop to replacement levels by 2050. Western Europe has been encouraging it's citizens to have more babies because the indigenous populations are declining. Pretty much the same deal for all industrialized nations. Coal, CO2 scrubbers still leaves toxic waste in our land fills. Hydrogen, needs electricity to extract from water. Bio-mass - Agicultural, kiss all forest good-by, not just the rain forest. There is even a new nut being introduced into Africa as a crop that grows well on dry marginally useful agricultural land that is 40% oil. We can keep our forests. Need to plant more actually. Maybe you will have to do without quite so much beef. That's all. If .... If and only if they can make them safe and put its waste in outer space, are the breeder nuclear reactors. "The old saying - Is anything safe? NO". Great way to live, with the sword of Damocles hanging over our heads. Thanks, but no. Fission can be buffed, tweaked, and polished but it is just too freaking dangerous. That argument aside, how are you going to transfer the energy down, by microwaves and fry migratory birds? The only way to have a clean, healthy earth for everyone on this planet, IS POPULATION REDUCTION. ie: make bombs not babies (ok, ok, forget the reverse pun of the sixty's vietnam) just stop breeding like humans. See above. Large families only make sense in in subsistence farming. However, not sure of the future. My next truck will have an E85 engine. I have read some where that all one has to do is combine 85 gallons of ethanal with 15 gallons of regular gas. Buy a still, I have the 10 acres of land to raise corn and have 6 acres of woods (energy source for the still). You haven't been reading this new group long, have you? Corn is grown with natural gas and petroleum. It is not efficient unless you are an oil company but not for consumers. Its all about me, let the world starve. Conservation is a lost cause without population reduction. I am single with no kids. With no social life one has the time to do the things listed above. A Cassandra in the wilderness, wandering in a hopeless quest, fade to black, the lights come up and everybody stands and goes home. Quite a martyr syndrome you have there Dave. You really need to lighten up there Dave. Ya know. Girls really like guys that can make them laugh. So I agree with the original poster: Home Gardening "is" Becoming Even More Imperative. Enjoy Life ......... Dan. I will. Thanks Dave. You really should read a book about this stuff some day. Life is a tight rope, but it's doable. In article , Billy Rose wrote: In article , wrote: electrical plugs just put off the problem. somebody somewhere gotta burn something to make the electricity. True, but then you can use bio-mass and your not burning fossil fuel. Additionally, you have the option of scrubbing the smoke stack to sequester the CO2 and reduce the over all amount in the atmosphere. if they are making hydrogen from water, fine, if it is nuclear less than ideal. About as far as you can get from ideal, IMHO. In 30 - 40 years, fusion reactors should be viable with lots of safe, clean energy. Why mess up the planet for a 40 year fix, when it creates more problems than it solves? platinum is typically used to catalyze the splitting of water, used with an electrical current in an ionic but not necessarily acidic environment. The April '07 issue of Scientific American addresses the issue of hydrogen storage. The choices are (1) compressed hyrdogen, (2) liquid hydrogen (Ever see the demonstration where they dip a rose into liquid helium? Same kinda deal) (3) reversible "hydrogen metal hydrides" (they generate H+ in response to heat and a catalyst and, they need to be removed to recharge) and (4) "hydrogen adsorbents" that work like sponges (don't need to be removed to recharge but research just beginning). Unfortunately, the full article isn't available on line without a subscription but you could find it at the library and, the graphics are very helpful in helping understand the problems involved. Ingrid On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:35:35 -0700, Billy Rose - Billy Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:08:18 -0700, Billy Rose
wrote: About as far as you can get from ideal, IMHO. In 30 - 40 years, fusion reactors should be viable with lots of safe, clean energy. Why mess up the planet for a 40 year fix, when it creates more problems than it solves? A quick question. Is there a possibility of using waste from nuclear plants as fuel for fusion plants? |
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Pan Ohco wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:08:18 -0700, Billy Rose wrote: About as far as you can get from ideal, IMHO. In 30 - 40 years, fusion reactors should be viable with lots of safe, clean energy. Why mess up the planet for a 40 year fix, when it creates more problems than it solves? A quick question. Is there a possibility of using waste from nuclear plants as fuel for fusion plants? No. Fusion uses deuterium (an isotope of hydrogen). Two deuterium under extremely high pressure and heat to fuse together to become a molecule of helium. Two deuterium atoms have more mass than a single helium atom and according to the famous equation, E=m(CxC), the difference in mass is converted to energy. If the magnetic containment field for a fusion reactor were to collapse, the reactants would hit the wall of the containment building, cool, and become harmless. I believe there is some issue with tritium (another isotope of hydrogen) but it is of a minor concern when compared to fission reactions. - Billy Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) |
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, Billy Rose wrote: Two deuterium under extremely high pressure and heat to fuse together to become a molecule of helium. Ahem, that should have read as, "Two deuterium under extremely high pressure and heat to fuse together to become an ATOM of helium." OK, everybody back to sleep. - Billy Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) |
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, "Dan L." wrote: The only way to have a clean, healthy earth for everyone on this planet, IS POPULATION REDUCTION. ie: make bombs not babies (ok, ok, forget the reverse pun of the sixty's vietnam) just stop breeding like humans. That was punny. :-) And I agree that overpopulation is a serious problem, but China's answer was not the one. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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, Billy Rose wrote: Presently, wind, photovoltaic, and hydro power (including tides) is too little and more expensive than fossil fuel (if you don't count the social impact of global warming i.e. our extinction). Someone must have forgotten to tell the international consortium that is constructing a fusion reactor in France that Dave said it couldn't be done. Scrubbing smoke stacks with water and calcium hydroxide Ca(OH)2 gives you calcium carbonate and water. Chalk, Dave, chalk doesn't sound so polluting, does it? I vote we try for geothermal. Why can't we harvest volcanos? :-) Hydroelectric building dams is not a bad idea either, but there goes the environmental impact again... Let's outlaw incandescent lightbulbs while we are at it! -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Pan Ohco wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:08:18 -0700, Billy Rose wrote: About as far as you can get from ideal, IMHO. In 30 - 40 years, fusion reactors should be viable with lots of safe, clean energy. Why mess up the planet for a 40 year fix, when it creates more problems than it solves? A quick question. Is there a possibility of using waste from nuclear plants as fuel for fusion plants? That stuff supposedly makes great batteries. :-) Long lasting too. Or so I've heard... What is powering the Voyager probes? They've been transmitting how many years now? -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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, Billy Rose wrote: In article , Pan Ohco wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:08:18 -0700, Billy Rose wrote: About as far as you can get from ideal, IMHO. In 30 - 40 years, fusion reactors should be viable with lots of safe, clean energy. Why mess up the planet for a 40 year fix, when it creates more problems than it solves? A quick question. Is there a possibility of using waste from nuclear plants as fuel for fusion plants? No. Fusion uses deuterium (an isotope of hydrogen). Two deuterium under extremely high pressure and heat to fuse together to become a molecule of helium. Two deuterium atoms have more mass than a single helium atom and according to the famous equation, E=m(CxC), the difference in mass is converted to energy. If the magnetic containment field for a fusion reactor were to collapse, the reactants would hit the wall of the containment building, cool, and become harmless. I believe there is some issue with tritium (another isotope of hydrogen) but it is of a minor concern when compared to fission reactions. - Billy Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) Anyone see Spiderman 2? Do we really want to be creating miniature suns in our atmosphere? :-) Nevermind... that was fiction and a poor attempt at humor... -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:57:49 -0400, "Dan L."
wrote: [...] Bio-mass - Agicultural, kiss all forest good-by, not just the rain forest. [...] Whoa, podner. Why drag the rain forest into this discussion. It has enough problems already! Industrial hemp might be the answer. My credentials: Your correspondent hasn't smoked a joint since the 60's-that-were-really-the-70's. I have no illusions that growing hemp would turn everybody on; in fact what you'd have to go through to get high on industrial hemp doesn't bear examining g. Doesn't it seem a teeny bit self-serving of candidates and the un-informed media to keep plugging corn-as-fuel with all the downsides repeatedly enumerated even in the pop media,* I'm not just talking about relatively low mileage; what about jacking up the price for cultures whose basic food comes from corn. * (not the most serious of which is that I can't find corn oil which I've used for cooking since forever...) This non-examination of industrial hemp as a source for automotive fuel is 1000% based on the enthusiastic propaganda of Big Oil, pandering to Bush's religious-nut "base", as well as to the general ignorance of Joe/Jane Beercan, who don't differentiate between marijuana and its industrial big sister, which has been used since pre-Biblical times for everything from cloth to oil. It grows on any kind of ground; requires almost no attention; is self-renewing.; doesn't drive up the price of a basic food like corn by diverting part of the crop to the Quixotic search for alternative fuel. Read up on this. There are many titles out there on the subject (full disclosu one of which I edited) which paint a dismaying picture of how Big Oil/Auto and Puritanical racists many decades ago managed to push through legislation confabulating industrial hemp with marijuana. Persephone |
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Persephone expounded:
This non-examination of industrial hemp as a source for automotive fuel is 1000% based on the enthusiastic propaganda of Big Oil, pandering to Bush's religious-nut "base", as well as to the general ignorance of Joe/Jane Beercan, who don't differentiate between marijuana and its industrial big sister, which has been used since pre-Biblical times for everything from cloth to oil. It grows on any kind of ground; requires almost no attention; is self-renewing.; doesn't drive up the price of a basic food like corn by diverting part of the crop to the Quixotic search for alternative fuel. Doesn't sound like there's much money it it - therein lies the rub. We can't have that, now, ya hear? ;- -- Ann, gardening in Zone 6a South of Boston, Massachusetts e-mail address is not checked ****************************** |
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In article , Persephone
wrote: Industrial hemp might be the answer. My credentials: Your correspondent hasn't smoked a joint since the 60's-that-were-really-the-70's. I have no illusions that growing hemp would turn everybody on; in fact what you'd have to go through to get high on industrial hemp doesn't bear examining g. Not many people know that Industrial Hemp is NOT the same thing as recreational pot. Nowhere near. Anyone that has bothered to do the research would know that. It has a million and one uses. 1 acre of IH supposedly creates the same amount of usable cellulose as 10 acres of forest. It is good for fabric, paper, fuel and oil, as well as a food source from the seeds. You can thank Dupont for being one of the major players in getting it outlawed. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Ann wrote: Persephone expounded: This non-examination of industrial hemp as a source for automotive fuel is 1000% based on the enthusiastic propaganda of Big Oil, pandering to Bush's religious-nut "base", as well as to the general ignorance of Joe/Jane Beercan, who don't differentiate between marijuana and its industrial big sister, which has been used since pre-Biblical times for everything from cloth to oil. It grows on any kind of ground; requires almost no attention; is self-renewing.; doesn't drive up the price of a basic food like corn by diverting part of the crop to the Quixotic search for alternative fuel. Doesn't sound like there's much money it it - therein lies the rub. We can't have that, now, ya hear? ;- snicker Another realist I see. ;-) Well put. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Omelet wrote: In article , Persephone wrote: Industrial hemp might be the answer. My credentials: Your correspondent hasn't smoked a joint since the 60's-that-were-really-the-70's. I have no illusions that growing hemp would turn everybody on; in fact what you'd have to go through to get high on industrial hemp doesn't bear examining g. Not many people know that Industrial Hemp is NOT the same thing as recreational pot. Nowhere near. Anyone that has bothered to do the research would know that. It has a million and one uses. 1 acre of IH supposedly creates the same amount of usable cellulose as 10 acres of forest. It is good for fabric, paper, fuel and oil, as well as a food source from the seeds. You can thank Dupont for being one of the major players in getting it outlawed. I remember seeing a TV program that discussed living treasures of Japan. One woman was revered for her Hemp cloth. Seems not only durable and comfortable but was beautiful without dyes. Bill -- S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit. |
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..net, William Wagner wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: In article , Persephone wrote: Industrial hemp might be the answer. My credentials: Your correspondent hasn't smoked a joint since the 60's-that-were-really-the-70's. I have no illusions that growing hemp would turn everybody on; in fact what you'd have to go through to get high on industrial hemp doesn't bear examining g. Not many people know that Industrial Hemp is NOT the same thing as recreational pot. Nowhere near. Anyone that has bothered to do the research would know that. It has a million and one uses. 1 acre of IH supposedly creates the same amount of usable cellulose as 10 acres of forest. It is good for fabric, paper, fuel and oil, as well as a food source from the seeds. You can thank Dupont for being one of the major players in getting it outlawed. I remember seeing a TV program that discussed living treasures of Japan. One woman was revered for her Hemp cloth. Seems not only durable and comfortable but was beautiful without dyes. Bill Forgot to mention another neglected valuable plant. Bamboo. A neat book! http://preview.tinyurl.com/ynljd5 Bill -- S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit. |
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Omelet wrote: Not many people know that Industrial Hemp is NOT the same thing as recreational pot. Nowhere near. Anyone that has bothered to do the research would know that. I hear that the sin of eating meat on Fridays is comparable to the sin of adultery. Having tried both, I can't see the comparison;-) - Billy Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) |
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..net, William Wagner wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: In article , Persephone wrote: Industrial hemp might be the answer. My credentials: Your correspondent hasn't smoked a joint since the 60's-that-were-really-the-70's. I have no illusions that growing hemp would turn everybody on; in fact what you'd have to go through to get high on industrial hemp doesn't bear examining g. Not many people know that Industrial Hemp is NOT the same thing as recreational pot. Nowhere near. Anyone that has bothered to do the research would know that. It has a million and one uses. 1 acre of IH supposedly creates the same amount of usable cellulose as 10 acres of forest. It is good for fabric, paper, fuel and oil, as well as a food source from the seeds. You can thank Dupont for being one of the major players in getting it outlawed. I remember seeing a TV program that discussed living treasures of Japan. One woman was revered for her Hemp cloth. Seems not only durable and comfortable but was beautiful without dyes. Bill Indeed... From what I have read, Dupont wanted to sell Nylon rope. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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..net, William Wagner wrote: Forgot to mention another neglected valuable plant. Bamboo. A neat book! http://preview.tinyurl.com/ynljd5 Bill Nice. ;-) Have you read any of Stamets books on Edible mushroom cultivation? Oyster mushrooms seem to be one of the easiest and most versatile: http://www2.mailordercentral.com/fun...=MGGM&VARIATIO N=&AITEM=1&MITEM=1 -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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, Billy Rose wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: Not many people know that Industrial Hemp is NOT the same thing as recreational pot. Nowhere near. Anyone that has bothered to do the research would know that. I hear that the sin of eating meat on Fridays is comparable to the sin of adultery. Having tried both, I can't see the comparison;-) - Billy Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) snicker -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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In article , Charlie wrote:
Read up on this. There are many titles out there on the subject (full disclosu one of which I edited) which paint a dismaying picture of how Big Oil/Auto and Puritanical racists many decades ago managed to push through legislation confabulating industrial hemp with marijuana. Persephone Seems as if the Chinese understand this. Charlie Nobody ever said that the American ruling class was very bright... and they are also greedy. As much as I love Capitalism, it can have it's drawbacks. sigh -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Omelet wrote: In article .net, William Wagner wrote: Forgot to mention another neglected valuable plant. Bamboo. A neat book! http://preview.tinyurl.com/ynljd5 Bill Nice. ;-) Have you read any of Stamets books on Edible mushroom cultivation? Oyster mushrooms seem to be one of the easiest and most versatile: http://www2.mailordercentral.com/fun...=MGGM&VARIATIO N=&AITEM=1&MITEM=1 No I haven't but Thanks to you I'll check it out. Currently our local brown caps are beginning to appear after a warm rain. I'm located in a wild mushroom oak forest with high ground water. Would be perfect for wandering about in but our local deer ticks are the worse I've ever seen. Most years a bit or two a season. I've had 8 in the last week with another 8 weeks to go. Nasty little guys. My dad two houses away started antibiotics for Lyme's a week ago. Bill -- S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit. |
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..net, William Wagner wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: In article .net, William Wagner wrote: Forgot to mention another neglected valuable plant. Bamboo. A neat book! http://preview.tinyurl.com/ynljd5 Bill Nice. ;-) Have you read any of Stamets books on Edible mushroom cultivation? Oyster mushrooms seem to be one of the easiest and most versatile: http://www2.mailordercentral.com/fun...=MGGM&VARIATIO N=&AITEM=1&MITEM=1 No I haven't but Thanks to you I'll check it out. The man is a genius. :-) And that site also sells some nice indoor and outdoor cultivation kits (and wood plugs) for affordable prices. Best way in the world to get rid of stumps, and eat well while you are at it. G And no, I have no association with that site. I'm just a real fan of his writings and philosophies. Currently our local brown caps are beginning to appear after a warm rain. I'm located in a wild mushroom oak forest with high ground water. Would be perfect for wandering about in but our local deer ticks are the worse I've ever seen. Most years a bit or two a season. I've had 8 in the last week with another 8 weeks to go. Nasty little guys. My dad two houses away started antibiotics for Lyme's a week ago. Bill Bummer. :-( Does insect repellant spray work to keep tics off of you? -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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In article , Charlie wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:40:23 -0500, Omelet wrote: Nobody ever said that the American ruling class was very bright... and they are also greedy. It would appear they are bright enough to lead most dumb americans around by the nose and shove anything they want up their arses. Only 51%. (Last prexy election) As much as I love Capitalism, it can have it's drawbacks. Drawbacks? Gimme a break. We are no longer operating under a capitalist system. We've been drawn right into fascism. That's not entirely accurate... There is no sugar-coating the bitter pill we are being forced to swallow. Churlie Charlie Indeed. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
Home Gardening Becomes Even More Imperative
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Omelet wrote: In article , Charlie wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:40:23 -0500, Omelet wrote: Nobody ever said that the American ruling class was very bright... and they are also greedy. It would appear they are bright enough to lead most dumb americans around by the nose and shove anything they want up their arses. Only 51%. (Last prexy election) Probably less than that if you count the hachet job done by the Bushies on the electorial system in Ohio. As much as I love Capitalism, it can have it's drawbacks. Drawbacks? Gimme a break. We are no longer operating under a capitalist system. We've been drawn right into fascism. That's not entirely accurate... Well, yes and no. Since Woodrow Wilson started the Committee on Public Information with participants like Walter Lippman and Edward Bernays, the truth has become more malleable and willing to please. Edward Bernays referred to their work as " the engineering of consent . . . the very essence of the democratic process" (Hegemony or Survival by Noam Chomsky, p. 8). So we live in a society that we think is free because we've been told it is free. Yesterday on the Tom Leher News Hour there was a discussion about what the present conflict between Hamas and Fatah meant. Unless you follow the middle east, you may not have realized that both of the experts presented were Fatah advisors. And so it goes. This is a discussion? No, we are ALREADY in the Matrix. There is no sugar-coating the bitter pill we are being forced to swallow. Don't sweat it Charlie, Gary Powers didn't swallow his either. Churlie Charlie Indeed. Many good burgers, with no malice in their hearts, are trying to make sense of the world with the information that they have. If you want better information, avoid the corporate news. Listen to Democracy Now or find a Pacifica Radio station. Read a book by Noam Chomsky or Greg Palast. This entire gutting of the Constitution has taken place right in front of us and the White House asks, "Who are you going to believe, the President or your own lying eyes?" To summarize, " the engineering of consent . (is) . the very essence of the democratic process" - Edward Bernays, Committee on Public Information To quote Will Rogers, "All I know, is what I read in the newspapers." Can I hear a few pots please? - Billy Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) |
Home Gardening Becomes Even More Imperative
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, Billy Rose wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: In article , Charlie wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:40:23 -0500, Omelet wrote: Nobody ever said that the American ruling class was very bright... and they are also greedy. It would appear they are bright enough to lead most dumb americans around by the nose and shove anything they want up their arses. Only 51%. (Last prexy election) Probably less than that if you count the hachet job done by the Bushies on the electorial system in Ohio. But add the 3% of the fools that voted other parties. That 3% could have swung the election if they'd voted Democrat. As much as I love Capitalism, it can have it's drawbacks. Drawbacks? Gimme a break. We are no longer operating under a capitalist system. We've been drawn right into fascism. That's not entirely accurate... Well, yes and no. Since Woodrow Wilson started the Committee on Public Information with participants like Walter Lippman and Edward Bernays, the truth has become more malleable and willing to please. Edward Bernays referred to their work as " the engineering of consent . . . the very essence of the democratic process" (Hegemony or Survival by Noam Chomsky, p. 8). So we live in a society that we think is free because we've been told it is free. Yesterday on the Tom Leher News Hour there was a discussion about what the present conflict between Hamas and Fatah meant. Unless you follow the middle east, you may not have realized that both of the experts presented were Fatah advisors. And so it goes. This is a discussion? No, we are ALREADY in the Matrix. lol I'm always up for a good debate! IMHO we are swinging away from the original Republic to almost a true Democracy and this is not a good thing. As much as I love Capitalism (because it benefits anyone willing to work hard enough), it can reach a point of no return where he who has the gold makes ALL the rules... and gods help the rest of us. There is no sugar-coating the bitter pill we are being forced to swallow. Don't sweat it Charlie, Gary Powers didn't swallow his either. Take the Red pill. ;-) Churlie Charlie Indeed. Many good burgers, with no malice in their hearts, are trying to make sense of the world with the information that they have. If you want better information, avoid the corporate news. Listen to Democracy Now or find a Pacifica Radio station. Read a book by Noam Chomsky or Greg Palast. I never watch TV anymore except for the weather channel, and the occasional Basketball game (GO SPURS!!! G) I listen mostly to NPR (BBC) and WOAI San Antonio. I also get a lot of news off the 'net and subscribe to the New York Times via e-mail. TV? USELESS! This entire gutting of the Constitution has taken place right in front of us and the White House asks, "Who are you going to believe, the President or your own lying eyes?" I know. :-( But the Sheeople follow. Or is that Lemmings? To summarize, " the engineering of consent . (is) . the very essence of the democratic process" - Edward Bernays, Committee on Public Information To quote Will Rogers, "All I know, is what I read in the newspapers." Can I hear a few pots please? - Billy Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) Heh! At least "pots" is on topic! Speaking of which, due to certain circumstances (mainly health issues and finances), I've ended up putting off really planting any veggies this year. I'd still like to do a few tomatoes. Because of the Expense of water, I'd prefer to do container planting. I have a couple of MONSTER plastic pots (okay, they are about 10 gallons I guestimate) so I'd like to try them in those. Can I put, say, 2 per pot and is it too late in the year for me to mess with this? Should I wait until September? -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
Home Gardening Becomes Even More Imperative
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, Billy Rose wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: In article , Charlie wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:40:23 -0500, Omelet wrote: Nobody ever said that the American ruling class was very bright... and they are also greedy. It would appear they are bright enough to lead most dumb americans around by the nose and shove anything they want up their arses. Only 51%. (Last prexy election) Probably less than that if you count the hachet job done by the Bushies on the electorial system in Ohio. As much as I love Capitalism, it can have it's drawbacks. Drawbacks? Gimme a break. We are no longer operating under a capitalist system. We've been drawn right into fascism. That's not entirely accurate... Well, yes and no. Since Woodrow Wilson started the Committee on Public Information with participants like Walter Lippman and Edward Bernays, the truth has become more malleable and willing to please. Edward Bernays referred to their work as " the engineering of consent . . . the very essence of the democratic process" (Hegemony or Survival by Noam Chomsky, p. 8). So we live in a society that we think is free because we've been told it is free. Yesterday on the Tom Leher News Hour there was a discussion about what the present conflict between Hamas and Fatah meant. Unless you follow the middle east, you may not have realized that both of the experts presented were Fatah advisors. And so it goes. This is a discussion? No, we are ALREADY in the Matrix. There is no sugar-coating the bitter pill we are being forced to swallow. Don't sweat it Charlie, Gary Powers didn't swallow his either. Churlie Charlie Indeed. Many good burgers, with no malice in their hearts, are trying to make sense of the world with the information that they have. If you want better information, avoid the corporate news. Listen to Democracy Now or find a Pacifica Radio station. Read a book by Noam Chomsky or Greg Palast. This entire gutting of the Constitution has taken place right in front of us and the White House asks, "Who are you going to believe, the President or your own lying eyes?" To summarize, " the engineering of consent . (is) . the very essence of the democratic process" - Edward Bernays, Committee on Public Information To quote Will Rogers, "All I know, is what I read in the newspapers." Can I hear a few pots please? - Billy Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) Manufacturing Consent Herman and Chomsky All Consuming IMAGES Stuart Ewen Anvil of the Heart Bruce T. Holmes The Poverty Of Affluence Paul L. Wachtel Amusing Ourselves to Death Neil Postman The Age of Missing Information Bill McKibben The Third City Borna Bebek Wallace Stevens The Poems of our Climate Harold Bloom The Social Vision of William Blake Michael Ferber The Gay Genius Lin Yutang And on and on do you really want to read all this stuff? I just try to keep our family whole. Usually by getting out of the way and being here. Personal interaction at the market seem to bloom by the simple act of yielding. Not having my way whatever that is avoids conflict. Scaling it up however international voids me as I can only deal with things I perceive. I've enough . Blake and Wallace and Su Tungpo are personal inspiration. ( Keep Spirt in) :)). Balzac Sin is wanting to know every thing. Now back to those morning glories. Bill who plays push hands poorly. -- S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit. |
Home Gardening Becomes Even More Imperative
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Only 51%. (Last prexy election) Probably less than that if you count the hachet job done by the Bushies on the electorial system in Ohio. But add the 3% of the fools that voted other parties. That 3% could have swung the election if they'd voted Democrat. I guess that makes me a fool. Please don't take that personally... I actually hate the dominant 2 party system, but I don't believe that it can be beaten at this time. Unfortunately. Ron Paul knows this as even tho' he is really Libertarian, he runs as Republican so he has a real chance at getting elected. The American people don't appear to be ready for a real change yet as a majority. I'd love to be an idealist, but realists seem to do better. Yer foolin' yerself if you think that voting dem or rep is actually making a choice. Look what happened in the midterms....friggin' dems sold out just like I knew they would. We need a whole schload of Bernie Sanders types being elected. The two party system is a joke, another myth which folks swallow. Yer preachin' to the choir babe! But, see the above. You have to deal with the majority. The Sheeople. Idealism won't work yet. Not without a LOT more work, or perhaps improvement of the gene pool. No, we are ALREADY in the Matrix. lol I'm always up for a good debate! IMHO we are swinging away from the original Republic to almost a true Democracy and this is not a good thing. Yeah....rigged elections are the sign of a true democracy. Can you say corporatocracy. But I agree that wherever we are, it is not a good place. We are open to suggestions. As much as I love Capitalism (because it benefits anyone willing to work hard enough), it can reach a point of no return where he who has the gold makes ALL the rules... and gods help the rest of us. True, but the incentive for willingness to work hard enough has been shipped overseas. Pensions gutted, health care/insurance situation abysmal It has reached the point of no return. sigh Potential Socialism provides NO incentives. That's why they all eventually die in misery and poverty. We all need that carrot on a stick to advance ourselves. We need hope for advancement. That is human nature. Otherwise, we tend to do just enough to get by. My health care insurance this year just went to hell. If I don't mail order my prescriptions, they won't pay for beyond the first month. Fortunately the state is trying to introduce legislation to outlaw that. They also refused to pay the $70.00 for my pap smear. Guess they'd rather pay for cervical cancer treatment... Idiots! Can I put, say, 2 per pot and is it too late in the year for me to mess with this? Should I wait until September? I don't understand the waiting til Sept. You in the southern hemisphere? It has to do with light cycles. Tomatoes will not "set" fruit if the light and dark timing are not right. I live in South Central Texas so we don't generally get a frost until late November. You bet you can put two per pot. It just takes more nutrient supplementation. I grow several pots of tomatoes. Peppers do great in pots as well. I plant two peppers per five gallon size post and have good yields. Charlie Peppers don't get as big as 'maters. ;-) How big are your pots and what variety of tomato do you use? What nutrient supplements? -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
Home Gardening Becomes Even More Imperative
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..net, William Wagner wrote: In article , Billy Rose wrote: In article , Omelet wrote: In article , Charlie wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:40:23 -0500, Omelet wrote: Nobody ever said that the American ruling class was very bright... and they are also greedy. It would appear they are bright enough to lead most dumb americans around by the nose and shove anything they want up their arses. Only 51%. (Last prexy election) Probably less than that if you count the hachet job done by the Bushies on the electorial system in Ohio. As much as I love Capitalism, it can have it's drawbacks. Drawbacks? Gimme a break. We are no longer operating under a capitalist system. We've been drawn right into fascism. That's not entirely accurate... Well, yes and no. Since Woodrow Wilson started the Committee on Public Information with participants like Walter Lippman and Edward Bernays, the truth has become more malleable and willing to please. Edward Bernays referred to their work as " the engineering of consent . . . the very essence of the democratic process" (Hegemony or Survival by Noam Chomsky, p. 8). So we live in a society that we think is free because we've been told it is free. Yesterday on the Tom Leher News Hour there was a discussion about what the present conflict between Hamas and Fatah meant. Unless you follow the middle east, you may not have realized that both of the experts presented were Fatah advisors. And so it goes. This is a discussion? No, we are ALREADY in the Matrix. There is no sugar-coating the bitter pill we are being forced to swallow. Don't sweat it Charlie, Gary Powers didn't swallow his either. Churlie Charlie Indeed. Many good burgers, with no malice in their hearts, are trying to make sense of the world with the information that they have. If you want better information, avoid the corporate news. Listen to Democracy Now or find a Pacifica Radio station. Read a book by Noam Chomsky or Greg Palast. This entire gutting of the Constitution has taken place right in front of us and the White House asks, "Who are you going to believe, the President or your own lying eyes?" To summarize, " the engineering of consent . (is) . the very essence of the democratic process" - Edward Bernays, Committee on Public Information To quote Will Rogers, "All I know, is what I read in the newspapers." Can I hear a few pots please? - Billy Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) Manufacturing Consent Herman and Chomsky All Consuming IMAGES Stuart Ewen Anvil of the Heart Bruce T. Holmes The Poverty Of Affluence Paul L. Wachtel Amusing Ourselves to Death Neil Postman The Age of Missing Information Bill McKibben The Third City Borna Bebek Wallace Stevens The Poems of our Climate Harold Bloom The Social Vision of William Blake Michael Ferber The Gay Genius Lin Yutang And on and on do you really want to read all this stuff? I just try to keep our family whole. Usually by getting out of the way and being here. Personal interaction at the market seem to bloom by the simple act of yielding. Not having my way whatever that is avoids conflict. Scaling it up however international voids me as I can only deal with things I perceive. I've enough . Blake and Wallace and Su Tungpo are personal inspiration. ( Keep Spirt in) :)). Balzac Sin is wanting to know every thing. Now back to those morning glories. Bill who plays push hands poorly. Not much **** and vinegar today, huh, Bill? Sounds like you've gone reflective on us. That's all well and good because it is all about being individuals and not a commodity. But India would still be a colony of England, if they hadn't resisted. People with dark colored skin would still be slaves but for the struggle. Rafael Lemkin wanted to avoid it too but it was dumped at his door. All sane men want to stay home with their families and watch them grow. Insane men will find reasons for them to die for glory. And it all starts when someone pushes back. Say, "hi" to the morning glories for me. Maybe sticky hands would be a better match for you. Kyungye, shue. - Billy Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) |
Home Gardening Becomes Even More Imperative
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Omelet wrote: I never watch TV anymore except for the weather channel, and the occasional Basketball game (GO SPURS!!! G) I listen mostly to NPR (BBC) and WOAI San Antonio. Here NPR is supported by Archer Daniel Midlands. They don't bite the hand that feeds them. I've already ****ed and moaned about The Lehrer News Hour. BBC can be good. Can be shoddy. No way to get KPFT 90.1 out of Houston? Try on line at http://houston.kpft.org/site/PageServer for free speech news and Democracy Now. I also get a lot of news off the 'net and subscribe to the New York Times via e-mail. Of Judith Miller fame? In depth, inaccurate news. In article , Charlie wrote: Only 51%. (Last prexy election) Probably less than that if you count the hachet job done by the Bushies on the electorial system in Ohio. But add the 3% of the fools that voted other parties. That 3% could have swung the election if they'd voted Democrat. I guess that makes me a fool. Please don't take that personally... I actually hate the dominant 2 party system, but I don't believe that it can be beaten at this time. Amen, brothers and sisters. Unfortunately. Ron Paul knows this as even tho' he is really Libertarian, he runs as Republican so he has a real chance at getting elected. The American people don't appear to be ready for a real change yet as a majority. I'd love to be an idealist, but realists seem to do better. Yer foolin' yerself if you think that voting dem or rep is actually making a choice. Look what happened in the midterms....friggin' dems sold out just like I knew they would. We need a whole schload of Bernie Sanders types being elected. The two party system is a joke, another myth which folks swallow. That was a pretty easy one to see, wasn't it Charlie? Yer preachin' to the choir babe! But, see the above. You have to deal with the majority. The Sheeople. Idealism won't work yet. Not without a LOT more work, or perhaps improvement of the gene pool. No, we are ALREADY in the Matrix. lol I'm always up for a good debate! IMHO we are swinging away from the original Republic to almost a true Democracy and this is not a good thing. I don't understand you unless you are talking about Pure Idealized Republicanism where the representatives represent the people's needs and desires or pure Democracy (à la Athens, circa 594 BC?) where everyone votes on everything. The former has never existed and the latter only exists, at present, in Switzerland. Yeah....rigged elections are the sign of a true democracy. Can you say corporatocracy. But I agree that wherever we are, it is not a good place. We are open to suggestions. In the primaries I vote Kucinich. In the general election I vote the "Greens" or whatever. At least it gets the opposition some operating money to mount an anti-status quo response. As much as I love Capitalism (because it benefits anyone willing to work hard enough), it can reach a point of no return where he who has the gold makes ALL the rules... Really don't follow you here. Leads us back to feudalism. More of a Jeffersonian myself, but without the slaves. and gods help the rest of us. True, but the incentive for willingness to work hard enough has been shipped overseas. Pensions gutted, health care/insurance situation abysmal Because we let it happen and now the socialist countries of Europe feel pressure to reduce their social safety-nets and race us to the bottom of the barrel. It has reached the point of no return. sigh Potential Socialism provides NO incentives. That's why they all eventually die in misery and poverty. We all need that carrot on a stick to advance ourselves. Max Weber saw how this was used by the capitalists in his book, "The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism". According to the early protestants (Calvinists) we aren't here to be happy but if your work is successful, then you are among the chosen. The factory owner is chose by God and you, poor miserable child, are a creature of original sin. It kinda turns things upside down. We need hope for advancement. That is human nature. Otherwise, we tend to do just enough to get by. Yeah, so? Where you going? The one with the most toys when they die, wins? My health care insurance this year just went to hell. If I don't mail order my prescriptions, they won't pay for beyond the first month. Fortunately the state is trying to introduce legislation to outlaw that. They also refused to pay the $70.00 for my pap smear. Guess they'd rather pay for cervical cancer treatment... Idiots! Jeez. If it is pre-cancerous, sell the farm if you have too. Do what you need to do but don't wait. Radiation and chemo will lay you up and you won't be able to work. (I presume you have to work, otherwise forget I said anything.) It might be cheaper to go to Cuba or India for treatment. Check the list. There are 36 countries in the world that have better health care than we do. Health travel is a booming industry. Can I put, say, 2 per pot and is it too late in the year for me to mess with this? Should I wait until September? I don't understand the waiting til Sept. You in the southern hemisphere? It has to do with light cycles. Tomatoes will not "set" fruit if the light and dark timing are not right. I live in South Central Texas so we don't generally get a frost until late November. Shortest I've seen on tomatoes is 65 days. If necessary, try augmenting with shop lights. You bet you can put two per pot. It just takes more nutrient supplementation. I grow several pots of tomatoes. Peppers do great in pots as well. I plant two peppers per five gallon size post and have good yields. Charlie Peppers don't get as big as 'maters. ;-) How big are your pots and what variety of tomato do you use? What nutrient supplements? Hugs and Kisses - Bill Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly) |
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