Hello all,

First of all, i'm a newbie. i just moved into a house from an
apartment, and the idea of having an organic kitchen garden has always
excited me, so i built one, and i've got a few crops going now that
are coming out well so far.

The okra, pumpkin vines, spearmint, pepper, and basil plants are
thriving in the soil, and doing very well. I live in central Florida.

My problem: my Heatwave tomato plants have wilted over the past 2
days, even with the same amount of water and plant food and
temperature that they're used to. the only thing different i can
imagine is that a few days ago i bought some Round Up that said it was
safe for use in flower and vegetable gardens to kill some grass and
weeds that had popped up around the tomato plants. However i didn't
use much of it, just enough to get the grass and weed seedlings, and i
thought it should be safe around the plants. but as of now the tomato
plants have their leaves drooped down, very weak and soft, and they
look pretty pathetic.

The other plants that i did not spray the roundup near are doing well
still.

Would that have caused the problem, or can you imagine anything else?
Is there anything i can do to reverse them wilting and dying before
it's too late?

Thanks!

Paul

On Aug 28, 6:00 pm, Paul wrote:

Hello all,

First of all, i'm a newbie. i just moved into a house from an
apartment, and the idea of having an organic kitchen garden has always
excited me, so i built one, and i've got a few crops going now that
are coming out well so far.

The okra, pumpkin vines, spearmint, pepper, and basil plants are
thriving in the soil, and doing very well. I live in central Florida.

My problem: my Heatwave tomato plants have wilted over the past 2
days, even with the same amount of water and plant food and
temperature that they're used to. the only thing different i can
imagine is that a few days ago i bought some Round Up

I thought you said organic kitchen garden...Round Up doesn't sound to
organic to me....that could very well be your problem there...

that said it was
safe for use in flower and vegetable gardens to kill some grass and
weeds that had popped up around the tomato plants. However i didn't
use much of it, just enough to get the grass and weed seedlings, and i
thought it should be safe around the plants. but as of now the tomato
plants have their leaves drooped down, very weak and soft, and they
look pretty pathetic.

The other plants that i did not spray the roundup near are doing well
still.

Would that have caused the problem, or can you imagine anything else?
Is there anything i can do to reverse them wilting and dying before
it's too late?

Thanks!

Paul


How much water & "plant food". What type food? If your weather is like
mine in NC, then it might just be about time for the tomatoes to go...

Paul expounded:

Hello all,

First of all, i'm a newbie. i just moved into a house from an
apartment, and the idea of having an organic kitchen garden has always
excited me, so i built one, and i've got a few crops going now that
are coming out well so far.

Roundup is not organic.

The okra, pumpkin vines, spearmint, pepper, and basil plants are
thriving in the soil, and doing very well. I live in central Florida.

My problem: my Heatwave tomato plants have wilted over the past 2
days, even with the same amount of water and plant food and
temperature that they're used to. the only thing different i can
imagine is that a few days ago i bought some Round Up that said it was
safe for use in flower and vegetable gardens to kill some grass and
weeds that had popped up around the tomato plants. However i didn't
use much of it, just enough to get the grass and weed seedlings, and i
thought it should be safe around the plants. but as of now the tomato
plants have their leaves drooped down, very weak and soft, and they
look pretty pathetic.

You need to pull weeds, not use chemicals, especially around food. The
tomatoes are toast, pull them and learn.

The other plants that i did not spray the roundup near are doing well
still.

Then don't spray near them and they'll be fine.

Go to the library and get a book on organic gardening, there are many.
One universal theme is no use of chemicals to control weeds, and no
chemical fertilizer to feed the plants, instead, you feed the soil
with compost and mulches. There is much more, read and ask questions.
--
Ann
e-mail address is not checked

Thanks for the input. As i said, i'm a newbie, i didn't even think
about the fact that the stuff to kill weeds would be just as bad as
insecticides. I've been using an organic "insecticide" which contains
canola oil and sesame oil that i spray on the leaves to prevent
caterpillars and such.

So, let's forget the organic thing, even in a non-organic garden Round
Up doesn't actually work without killing the plant?

Also, how do you feed with compost after they've been planted? I've
mixed compost in the soil when i plant them, but can i just sprinkle
compost near the base and they'll absorb it?

Also, how do you feed with compost after they've been planted? I've
mixed compost in the soil when i plant them, but can i just sprinkle
compost near the base and they'll absorb it?

For annuals like tomatoes, mixing a suitable amount of compost into
the soil at the start of each season should be enough. It is
naturally slow-release, especially if you avoid washing out nutrients
by excessive watering.

For perennials like turf grass, flowers, etc, or if you prefer not to
till, yes you can spread compost on the soil and let the rain and
earthworms distribute nutrients. One common version of this is to
mulch with an organic mulch like wood chips, leaves, coffee grounds,
etc, and let it eventually decompose. You can also fertilize with
liquid organic fertilizers like compost tea, compost leachate, or fish
emulsion.

Paul expounded:

So, let's forget the organic thing, even in a non-organic garden Round
Up doesn't actually work without killing the plant?

It'll kill most any green thing it touches.
--
Ann
e-mail address is not checked

On Aug 29, 12:39 pm, Jim Kingdon wrote:

For annuals like tomatoes, mixing a suitable amount of compost into
the soil at the start of each season should be enough. It is
naturally slow-release, especially if you avoid washing out nutrients
by excessive watering.

For perennials like turf grass, flowers, etc, or if you prefer not to
till, yes you can spread compost on the soil and let the rain and
earthworms distribute nutrients. One common version of this is to
mulch with an organic mulch like wood chips, leaves, coffee grounds,
etc, and let it eventually decompose. You can also fertilize with
liquid organic fertilizers like compost tea, compost leachate, or fish
emulsion.

Thanks, Jim! Good to know. I appreciate the helpful info!

I thought you said organic kitchen garden...Round Up doesn't sound to
organic to me....that could very well be your problem there...

Round up is an organic chemical, see the formula below,

MOLECULAR FORMULA: C3 H8 NO5 P (glyphosate); C6 H17 N2 O5 P
(glyphosate-mono(isopropylammonium)) (62).

There are three carbon atoms in glyphosate and six in glyphosate-mono
(isopropylammonium.

In article ,
Jim Kingdon wrote:

Also, how do you feed with compost after they've been planted? I've
mixed compost in the soil when i plant them, but can i just sprinkle
compost near the base and they'll absorb it?

For annuals like tomatoes, mixing a suitable amount of compost into
the soil at the start of each season should be enough. It is
naturally slow-release, especially if you avoid washing out nutrients
by excessive watering.

For perennials like turf grass, flowers, etc, or if you prefer not to
till, yes you can spread compost on the soil and let the rain and
earthworms distribute nutrients. One common version of this is to
mulch with an organic mulch like wood chips, leaves, coffee grounds,
etc, and let it eventually decompose. You can also fertilize with
liquid organic fertilizers like compost tea, compost leachate, or fish
emulsion.

Fish emulsion is good for nitrogen but the others don't supply it. You
need to add manure or rotate crop with legumes (beans, peas, clover,
ect) that are nitrogen fixers.
--
FB - FFF

Billy

Get up, stand up, stand up for yor rights.
Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight.
- Bob Marley

On Aug 28, 6:00 pm, Paul wrote:
Hello all,

First of all, i'm a newbie. i just moved into a house from an
apartment, and the idea of having an organic kitchen garden has always
excited me, so i built one, and i've got a few crops going now that
are coming out well so far.

The okra, pumpkin vines, spearmint, pepper, and basil plants are
thriving in the soil, and doing very well. I live in central Florida.

My problem: my Heatwave tomato plants have wilted over the past 2
days, even with the same amount of water and plant food and
temperature that they're used to. the only thing different i can
imagine is that a few days ago i bought some Round Up that said it was
safe for use in flower and vegetable gardens to kill some grass and
weeds that had popped up around the tomato plants. However i didn't
use much of it, just enough to get the grass and weed seedlings, and i
thought it should be safe around the plants. but as of now the tomato
plants have their leaves drooped down, very weak and soft, and they
look pretty pathetic.

The other plants that i did not spray the roundup near are doing well
still.

Would that have caused the problem, or can you imagine anything else?
Is there anything i can do to reverse them wilting and dying before
it's too late?

Thanks!

Paul

Some plants like tomato are super sensitive to RoundUp. Had a fellow
garden learn the hard way not to use it around tomatoes. He even
tried painting it on weeds near the tomatoes and still killed the
tomatoes.

You need to apply it on the beds before planting. After planting you
pretty much need to use other methods of weeding. Using a corse spray
helps prevent drifting it to other areas.

Compost is best mixed in the beds before planting but it doesn't hurt
to add it on top after planting.

Roundup is safe to plant in the NEXT day, but I would not reccomend
using it withing 20' of growing plants.

On Aug 28, 6:00 pm, Paul wrote:
Hello all,

First of all, i'm a newbie. i just moved into a house from an
apartment, and the idea of having an organic kitchen garden has always
excited me, so i built one, and i've got a few crops going now that
are coming out well so far.

The okra, pumpkin vines, spearmint, pepper, and basil plants are
thriving in the soil, and doing very well. I live in central Florida.

My problem: my Heatwave tomato plants have wilted over the past 2
days, even with the same amount of water and plant food and
temperature that they're used to. the only thing different i can
imagine is that a few days ago i bought some Round Up that said it was
safe for use in flower and vegetable gardens to kill some grass and
weeds that had popped up around the tomato plants. However i didn't
use much of it, just enough to get the grass and weed seedlings, and i
thought it should be safe around the plants. but as of now the tomato
plants have their leaves drooped down, very weak and soft, and they
look pretty pathetic.

The other plants that i did not spray the roundup near are doing well
still.

Would that have caused the problem, or can you imagine anything else?
Is there anything i can do to reverse them wilting and dying before
it's too late?

Thanks!

Paul

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:00:37 -0700, Paul wrote:

Hello all,

First of all, i'm a newbie. i just moved into a house from an
apartment, and the idea of having an organic kitchen garden has always
excited me, so i built one, and i've got a few crops going now that
are coming out well so far.

The okra, pumpkin vines, spearmint, pepper, and basil plants are
thriving in the soil, and doing very well. I live in central Florida.

My problem: my Heatwave tomato plants have wilted over the past 2
days, even with the same amount of water and plant food and
temperature that they're used to. the only thing different i can
imagine is that a few days ago i bought some Round Up that said it was
safe for use in flower and vegetable gardens to kill some grass and
weeds that had popped up around the tomato plants. However i didn't
use much of it, just enough to get the grass and weed seedlings, and i
thought it should be safe around the plants. but as of now the tomato
plants have their leaves drooped down, very weak and soft, and they
look pretty pathetic.

The other plants that i did not spray the roundup near are doing well
still.

Would that have caused the problem, or can you imagine anything else?
Is there anything i can do to reverse them wilting and dying before
it's too late?

Thanks!

Paul

Round Up will kill any plant whose leaves it gets on. I have used it
in my tomato beds with no problem. I have a dispenser which puts out
a foam. I put the wand almost on the weed and it does not spread to
the neighboring plants.

Check out this site for information on tomato problems.
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/t...ver/index.html
And check with your local extension service. You can locate yours
here. http://www.csrees.usda.gov/Extension/index.html


Last year I swore that my husband got Round Up on some of my tomatoes.
After we talked to a biologist I realized that it was not Round Up but
some other problem.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

On Aug 30, 1:29 pm, The Cook wrote:


Last year I swore that my husband got Round Up on some of my tomatoes.
After we talked to a biologist I realized that it was not Round Up but
some other problem.


So what was the other problem?

Thanks for the straightforward answer. I tried my hardest not to get
it on the plant, i did do a direct foam onto each weed and i was about
an inch away from each weed when i sprayed, whereas my tomato plants
were about 2' tall. so maybe it was another problem, or maybe my
plants were really sensitive. either way, i've since pulled them and
i'll try again.

On Aug 30, 8:34 am, James wrote:
On Aug 28, 6:00 pm, Paul wrote:



Hello all,

First of all, i'm a newbie. i just moved into a house from an
apartment, and the idea of having an organic kitchen garden has always
excited me, so i built one, and i've got a few crops going now that
are coming out well so far.

The okra, pumpkin vines, spearmint, pepper, and basil plants are
thriving in the soil, and doing very well. I live in central Florida.

My problem: my Heatwave tomato plants have wilted over the past 2
days, even with the same amount of water and plant food and
temperature that they're used to. the only thing different i can
imagine is that a few days ago i bought some Round Up that said it was
safe for use in flower and vegetable gardens to kill some grass and
weeds that had popped up around the tomato plants. However i didn't
use much of it, just enough to get the grass and weed seedlings, and i
thought it should be safe around the plants. but as of now the tomato
plants have their leaves drooped down, very weak and soft, and they
look pretty pathetic.

The other plants that i did not spray the roundup near are doing well
still.

Would that have caused the problem, or can you imagine anything else?
Is there anything i can do to reverse them wilting and dying before
it's too late?

Thanks!

Paul

Some plants like tomato are super sensitive to RoundUp. Had a fellow
garden learn the hard way not to use it around tomatoes. He even
tried painting it on weeds near the tomatoes and still killed the
tomatoes.

You need to apply it on the beds before planting. After planting you
pretty much need to use other methods of weeding. Using a corse spray
helps prevent drifting it to other areas.

Compost is best mixed in the beds before planting but it doesn't hurt
to add it on top after planting.