http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1208...=googlenews_ws
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Food Inflation, Riots Spark Worries for World Leaders, IMF, World Bank
Push for Solutions

By BOB DAVIS and DOUGLAS BELKIN
April 14, 2008; Page A1

WASHINGTON -- Finance ministers gathered this weekend to grapple with
the global financial crisis also struggled with a problem that has
plagued the world periodically since before the time of the Pharaohs:
food shortages.

Surging commodity prices have pushed up global food prices 83% in the
past three years, according to the World Bank -- putting huge stress on
some of the world's poorest nations. Even as the ministers met, Haiti's
Prime Minister Jacques Edouard Alexis was resigning after a week in
which that tiny country's capital was racked by rioting over higher
prices for staples like rice and beans.
[photo]
As food prices soar, protests are breaking out around the world,
including this riot Saturday in Port-au-Prince, Haiti.

Rioting in response to soaring food prices recently has broken out in
Egypt, Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Senegal and Ethiopia. In Pakistan and
Thailand, army troops have been deployed to deter food theft from fields
and warehouses. World Bank President Robert Zoellick warned in a recent
speech that 33 countries are at risk of social upheaval because of
rising food prices. Those could include Indonesia, Yemen, Ghana,
Uzbekistan and the Philippines. In countries where buying food requires
half to three-quarters of a poor person's income, "there is no margin
for survival," he said.

Many policy makers at the weekend meetings of the International Monetary
Fund and World Bank agreed that the problem is severe. Among other
targets, they singled out U.S. policies pushing corn-based ethanol and
other biofuels as deepening the woes. . . (continued)
--

Billy

The Murder of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

In article
,
Billy wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1208...=googlenews_ws
j


Food Inflation, Riots Spark Worries for World Leaders, IMF, World Bank
Push for Solutions

By BOB DAVIS and DOUGLAS BELKIN
April 14, 2008; Page A1

WASHINGTON -- Finance ministers gathered this weekend to grapple with
the global financial crisis also struggled with a problem that has
plagued the world periodically since before the time of the Pharaohs:
food shortages.

Surging commodity prices have pushed up global food prices 83% in the
past three years, according to the World Bank -- putting huge stress on
some of the world's poorest nations. Even as the ministers met, Haiti's
Prime Minister Jacques Edouard Alexis was resigning after a week in
which that tiny country's capital was racked by rioting over higher
prices for staples like rice and beans.
[photo]
As food prices soar, protests are breaking out around the world,
including this riot Saturday in Port-au-Prince, Haiti.

Rioting in response to soaring food prices recently has broken out in
Egypt, Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Senegal and Ethiopia. In Pakistan and
Thailand, army troops have been deployed to deter food theft from fields
and warehouses. World Bank President Robert Zoellick warned in a recent
speech that 33 countries are at risk of social upheaval because of
rising food prices. Those could include Indonesia, Yemen, Ghana,
Uzbekistan and the Philippines. In countries where buying food requires
half to three-quarters of a poor person's income, "there is no margin
for survival," he said.

Many policy makers at the weekend meetings of the International Monetary
Fund and World Bank agreed that the problem is severe. Among other
targets, they singled out U.S. policies pushing corn-based ethanol and
other biofuels as deepening the woes. . . (continued)

Note Vegies up 15%

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1208...d=hps_us_whats
_news


Edited for brevity.

Bill

.............
In the 12 months ending in March, producer prices climbed 6.9% on an
unadjusted basis. In the 12 months ending in February, prices were up
6.4%.
The producer-price data showed energy prices in the wholesale sector
increased 2.9% last month, after rising 0.8% in February. Gasoline last
month rose 1.3%. Residential natural gas was up 4.2%. Diesel fuel jumped
15.3% and home heating oil climbed 13.1%.
Food prices advanced 1.2% in March, after falling 0.5% in February.
Vegetables leaped 15.4%. Milled rice shot up 8.7%. Beef and veal rose
4.0%. Prices of passenger cars fell 0.2%, after rising 0.8% in February.
Prices of pet food rose 1.3%. Pharmaceutical preparations increased
0.4%. Light motor trucks slipped 0.3%. Toys dipped 0.1%. Tobacco
products were unchanged.

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:41:42 -0400, Bill wrote:


Edited for brevity.

Bill

............
In the 12 months ending in March, producer prices climbed 6.9% on an
unadjusted basis. In the 12 months ending in February, prices were up
6.4%.
The producer-price data showed energy prices in the wholesale sector
increased 2.9% last month, after rising 0.8% in February. Gasoline last
month rose 1.3%. Residential natural gas was up 4.2%. Diesel fuel jumped
15.3% and home heating oil climbed 13.1%.
Food prices advanced 1.2% in March, after falling 0.5% in February.
Vegetables leaped 15.4%. Milled rice shot up 8.7%. Beef and veal rose
4.0%. Prices of passenger cars fell 0.2%, after rising 0.8% in February.
Prices of pet food rose 1.3%. Pharmaceutical preparations increased
0.4%. Light motor trucks slipped 0.3%. Toys dipped 0.1%. Tobacco
products were unchanged.

Factor in this......scary stuff.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/ope...soration_act.h
tm

excerpt:

The Water Restoration Act of 2007, brought to you by Jim Oberstar of
Minnesota, along with others, gives the federal government complete
control over every waterway, river, stream, lake, aquifer, creek, slew,
swamp, underground spring and even the rain that runs off your roof.
Why? Well to better protect you from polluters and to ensure water
safety, and of course “national security”.


Here’s the real deal. Oil which has been deemed the worlds most
valuable commodity (remember that word) is quickly being replaced by
water. Water is the new “gold”. Under the Public Trust doctrine, the
government is prohibited from converting something such as water (a
human right…we can’t live without it) to a commodity. It must remain
in a public trust, meaning that it is so important to our survival that
it should never be subjected to markets, trading or private interests.
In other words, it should never be reclassified as a commodity. But
this Act lays the groundwork for removing from the Public Trust this
basic human right which is a necessity, and will facilitate it being
reclassified a “needed commodity”. Enter the multi-national
corporations.

What is under way is the effort to classify water as a commodity and
not a right. All of this actually started with NAFTA and then CAFTA.
Both agreements, which are not enforceable as they are both
unconstitutional have been parts of a puzzle that until recently seemed
not to make any sense at all. Both are focused on giving multinational
corporations the right to lay claim to food production whether it is
agriculture or animal ranching, to force out family farms, to patent
their new “frankenseeds” and put the resulting GMO food on our grocery
shelves without labeling the foods as altered.

Grrrr
Charlie

Gives me a headache.

My dad thought he would be able to drive well's about our local area.
Na seems you must have a permit. We drove our own 35 years ago which is
still OK. But if I line up a replacement my old well MUST BE DESTROYED
.. I thought a old well would be a great source for garden only water
only.

Bill giving only the min to the man who shows up in a pretty dress..

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:41:42 -0400, Bill wrote:


Edited for brevity.

Bill

............
In the 12 months ending in March, producer prices climbed 6.9% on an
unadjusted basis. In the 12 months ending in February, prices were up
6.4%.
The producer-price data showed energy prices in the wholesale sector
increased 2.9% last month, after rising 0.8% in February. Gasoline last
month rose 1.3%. Residential natural gas was up 4.2%. Diesel fuel jumped
15.3% and home heating oil climbed 13.1%.
Food prices advanced 1.2% in March, after falling 0.5% in February.
Vegetables leaped 15.4%. Milled rice shot up 8.7%. Beef and veal rose
4.0%. Prices of passenger cars fell 0.2%, after rising 0.8% in February.
Prices of pet food rose 1.3%. Pharmaceutical preparations increased
0.4%. Light motor trucks slipped 0.3%. Toys dipped 0.1%. Tobacco
products were unchanged.

Factor in this......scary stuff.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/ope...soration_act.h
tm

excerpt:

The Water Restoration Act of 2007, brought to you by Jim Oberstar of
Minnesota, along with others, gives the federal government complete
control over every waterway, river, stream, lake, aquifer, creek, slew,
swamp, underground spring and even the rain that runs off your roof.
Why? Well to better protect you from polluters and to ensure water
safety, and of course “national security”.


Here’s the real deal. Oil which has been deemed the worlds most
valuable commodity (remember that word) is quickly being replaced by
water. Water is the new “gold”. Under the Public Trust doctrine, the
government is prohibited from converting something such as water (a
human right…we can’t live without it) to a commodity. It must remain
in a public trust, meaning that it is so important to our survival that
it should never be subjected to markets, trading or private interests.
In other words, it should never be reclassified as a commodity. But
this Act lays the groundwork for removing from the Public Trust this
basic human right which is a necessity, and will facilitate it being
reclassified a “needed commodity”. Enter the multi-national
corporations.

What is under way is the effort to classify water as a commodity and
not a right. All of this actually started with NAFTA and then CAFTA.
Both agreements, which are not enforceable as they are both
unconstitutional have been parts of a puzzle that until recently seemed
not to make any sense at all. Both are focused on giving multinational
corporations the right to lay claim to food production whether it is
agriculture or animal ranching, to force out family farms, to patent
their new “frankenseeds” and put the resulting GMO food on our grocery
shelves without labeling the foods as altered.

Grrrr
Charlie

The federal government does not have complete control over the Great
Lakes around Michigan. The Great Lakes borders Canada and the Canadians
also have say on how the Great Lakes are handled. Unless Mr. Bush
violates Canadians sovereignties. If water is the new Gold, Michigan is
extremely wealthy.

The article about food riots was in the "Detroit Free Press" as well,
Section A, Page 12, Sunday 4-13-08.

Thanks to Billy for the great book recommendations "Omnivores Dilemma"
and "Teaming with Microbes". "Omnivores Dilemma" has become a top ten
personal favorite book. I have not gotten to "Teaming with Microbes",
but looks just as good. "Omnivores Dilemma" is an eye opener.

Enjoy Life ... Dan

--
Email "dan lehr at comcast dot net". Text only or goes to trash automatically.

In article
,
Bill wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:41:42 -0400, Bill wrote:


Edited for brevity.

Bill

............
In the 12 months ending in March, producer prices climbed 6.9% on an
unadjusted basis. In the 12 months ending in February, prices were up
6.4%.
The producer-price data showed energy prices in the wholesale sector
increased 2.9% last month, after rising 0.8% in February. Gasoline last
month rose 1.3%. Residential natural gas was up 4.2%. Diesel fuel jumped
15.3% and home heating oil climbed 13.1%.
Food prices advanced 1.2% in March, after falling 0.5% in February.
Vegetables leaped 15.4%. Milled rice shot up 8.7%. Beef and veal rose
4.0%. Prices of passenger cars fell 0.2%, after rising 0.8% in February.
Prices of pet food rose 1.3%. Pharmaceutical preparations increased
0.4%. Light motor trucks slipped 0.3%. Toys dipped 0.1%. Tobacco
products were unchanged.

Factor in this......scary stuff.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/ope...resoration_act
.h
tm

excerpt:

The Water Restoration Act of 2007, brought to you by Jim Oberstar of
Minnesota, along with others, gives the federal government complete
control over every waterway, river, stream, lake, aquifer, creek, slew,
swamp, underground spring and even the rain that runs off your roof.
Why? Well to better protect you from polluters and to ensure water
safety, and of course “national security”.


Here’s the real deal. Oil which has been deemed the worlds most
valuable commodity (remember that word) is quickly being replaced by
water. Water is the new “gold”. Under the Public Trust doctrine, the
government is prohibited from converting something such as water (a
human right…we can’t live without it) to a commodity. It must remain
in a public trust, meaning that it is so important to our survival that
it should never be subjected to markets, trading or private interests.
In other words, it should never be reclassified as a commodity. But
this Act lays the groundwork for removing from the Public Trust this
basic human right which is a necessity, and will facilitate it being
reclassified a “needed commodity”. Enter the multi-national
corporations.

What is under way is the effort to classify water as a commodity and
not a right. All of this actually started with NAFTA and then CAFTA.
Both agreements, which are not enforceable as they are both
unconstitutional have been parts of a puzzle that until recently seemed
not to make any sense at all. Both are focused on giving multinational
corporations the right to lay claim to food production whether it is
agriculture or animal ranching, to force out family farms, to patent
their new “frankenseeds” and put the resulting GMO food on our grocery
shelves without labeling the foods as altered.

Grrrr
Charlie

Gives me a headache.

My dad thought he would be able to drive well's about our local area.
Na seems you must have a permit. We drove our own 35 years ago which is
still OK. But if I line up a replacement my old well MUST BE DESTROYED
. I thought a old well would be a great source for garden only water
only.

Bill giving only the min to the man who shows up in a pretty dress..

Bechtel tried this commodification of water in Bolivia. Thet were
supposed to make the water cheaper, cleaner and more dependable. They
made it more expensive and it was even against the law to collect rain
water. If you see the movie "Corporation", you'll see them run out of
Bolivia on a rail.
--

Billy

The Murder of Rachel Corrie
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Food Inflation, Riots Spark Worries for World Leaders, IMF, World Bank
Push for Solutions

By BOB DAVIS and DOUGLAS BELKIN
April 14, 2008; Page A1

WASHINGTON -- Finance ministers gathered this weekend to grapple with
the global financial crisis also struggled with a problem that has
plagued the world periodically since before the time of the Pharaohs:
food shortages.

Surging commodity prices have pushed up global food prices 83% in the
past three years, according to the World Bank -- putting huge stress on
some of the world's poorest nations. Even as the ministers met, Haiti's
Prime Minister Jacques Edouard Alexis was resigning after a week in
which that tiny country's capital was racked by rioting over higher
prices for staples like rice and beans.
[photo]
As food prices soar, protests are breaking out around the world,
including this riot Saturday in Port-au-Prince, Haiti.

Rioting in response to soaring food prices recently has broken out in
Egypt, Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Senegal and Ethiopia. In Pakistan and
Thailand, army troops have been deployed to deter food theft from fields
and warehouses. World Bank President Robert Zoellick warned in a recent
speech that 33 countries are at risk of social upheaval because of
rising food prices. Those could include Indonesia, Yemen, Ghana,
Uzbekistan and the Philippines. In countries where buying food requires
half to three-quarters of a poor person's income, "there is no margin
for survival," he said.

Many policy makers at the weekend meetings of the International Monetary
Fund and World Bank agreed that the problem is severe. Among other
targets, they singled out U.S. policies pushing corn-based ethanol and
other biofuels as deepening the woes. . . (continued)
--

Billy

The Murder of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

4 horseman of the Apocalypse, famine. Overpopulation. Drought, flooding,
et al - global warming. Self-induced/self-created problem by mankind.
--
Dave

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Food Inflation, Riots Spark Worries for World Leaders, IMF, World Bank
Push for Solutions

By BOB DAVIS and DOUGLAS BELKIN
April 14, 2008; Page A1

WASHINGTON -- Finance ministers gathered this weekend to grapple with
the global financial crisis also struggled with a problem that has
plagued the world periodically since before the time of the Pharaohs:
food shortages.

Surging commodity prices have pushed up global food prices 83% in the
past three years, according to the World Bank -- putting huge stress on
some of the world's poorest nations. Even as the ministers met, Haiti's
Prime Minister Jacques Edouard Alexis was resigning after a week in
which that tiny country's capital was racked by rioting over higher
prices for staples like rice and beans.
[photo]
As food prices soar, protests are breaking out around the world,
including this riot Saturday in Port-au-Prince, Haiti.

Rioting in response to soaring food prices recently has broken out in
Egypt, Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Senegal and Ethiopia. In Pakistan and
Thailand, army troops have been deployed to deter food theft from fields
and warehouses. World Bank President Robert Zoellick warned in a recent
speech that 33 countries are at risk of social upheaval because of
rising food prices. Those could include Indonesia, Yemen, Ghana,
Uzbekistan and the Philippines. In countries where buying food requires
half to three-quarters of a poor person's income, "there is no margin
for survival," he said.

Many policy makers at the weekend meetings of the International Monetary
Fund and World Bank agreed that the problem is severe. Among other
targets, they singled out U.S. policies pushing corn-based ethanol and
other biofuels as deepening the woes. . . (continued)
--

Billy

The Murder of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

4 horseman of the Apocalypse, famine. Overpopulation. Drought, flooding,
et al - global warming. Self-induced/self-created problem by mankind.

Self-induced/self-created problem by the species homo sapiens
but driven by the avarice and lies of only a few of them. Does
seem to be the "season of the witch", though. When people wake
up and listen to the words of I. F. Stone,"Rich people march on
Washington every day.", then, maybe, we'll have a chance.

In America, we have been waiting for the 4 horseman for so long,
that their reality is in doubt. The "Third World", where a third
of the planet's population lives on $2/day or less, knows better
and have seen these cowboys all too often.
--

Billy

The Murder of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

In article
,
Billy wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1208...=googlenews_ws
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Food Inflation, Riots Spark Worries for World Leaders, IMF, World Bank
Push for Solutions

By BOB DAVIS and DOUGLAS BELKIN
April 14, 2008; Page A1

WASHINGTON -- Finance ministers gathered this weekend to grapple with
the global financial crisis also struggled with a problem that has
plagued the world periodically since before the time of the Pharaohs:
food shortages.

Surging commodity prices have pushed up global food prices 83% in the
past three years, according to the World Bank -- putting huge stress on
some of the world's poorest nations. Even as the ministers met, Haiti's
Prime Minister Jacques Edouard Alexis was resigning after a week in
which that tiny country's capital was racked by rioting over higher
prices for staples like rice and beans.
[photo]
As food prices soar, protests are breaking out around the world,
including this riot Saturday in Port-au-Prince, Haiti.

Rioting in response to soaring food prices recently has broken out in
Egypt, Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Senegal and Ethiopia. In Pakistan and
Thailand, army troops have been deployed to deter food theft from fields
and warehouses. World Bank President Robert Zoellick warned in a recent
speech that 33 countries are at risk of social upheaval because of
rising food prices. Those could include Indonesia, Yemen, Ghana,
Uzbekistan and the Philippines. In countries where buying food requires
half to three-quarters of a poor person's income, "there is no margin
for survival," he said.

Many policy makers at the weekend meetings of the International Monetary
Fund and World Bank agreed that the problem is severe. Among other
targets, they singled out U.S. policies pushing corn-based ethanol and
other biofuels as deepening the woes. . . (continued)

Found this which deals with water.

http://www.worldwater.org/data.html

Country Annual Renewable Water Resourcesa (km^3/yr) Year of Estimate
Israel 1.7 2001
Iran 137.5 1997
Russia 4498.0 1997
Saudi Arabia 2.4 1997
Brazil 8233.0 2000
United States of America 3069.0 1985
Canada 3300.0 1985

Bill

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Food Inflation, Riots Spark Worries for World Leaders, IMF, World Bank
Push for Solutions

By BOB DAVIS and DOUGLAS BELKIN
April 14, 2008; Page A1

WASHINGTON -- Finance ministers gathered this weekend to grapple with
the global financial crisis also struggled with a problem that has
plagued the world periodically since before the time of the Pharaohs:
food shortages.

Surging commodity prices have pushed up global food prices 83% in the
past three years, according to the World Bank -- putting huge stress on
some of the world's poorest nations. Even as the ministers met, Haiti's
Prime Minister Jacques Edouard Alexis was resigning after a week in
which that tiny country's capital was racked by rioting over higher
prices for staples like rice and beans.
[photo]
As food prices soar, protests are breaking out around the world,
including this riot Saturday in Port-au-Prince, Haiti.

Rioting in response to soaring food prices recently has broken out in
Egypt, Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Senegal and Ethiopia. In Pakistan and
Thailand, army troops have been deployed to deter food theft from
fields
and warehouses. World Bank President Robert Zoellick warned in a recent
speech that 33 countries are at risk of social upheaval because of
rising food prices. Those could include Indonesia, Yemen, Ghana,
Uzbekistan and the Philippines. In countries where buying food requires
half to three-quarters of a poor person's income, "there is no margin
for survival," he said.

Many policy makers at the weekend meetings of the International
Monetary
Fund and World Bank agreed that the problem is severe. Among other
targets, they singled out U.S. policies pushing corn-based ethanol and
other biofuels as deepening the woes. . . (continued)
--

Billy

The Murder of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

4 horseman of the Apocalypse, famine. Overpopulation. Drought,
flooding,
et al - global warming. Self-induced/self-created problem by mankind.

Self-induced/self-created problem by the species homo sapiens
but driven by the avarice and lies of only a few of them. Does
seem to be the "season of the witch", though. When people wake
up and listen to the words of I. F. Stone,"Rich people march on
Washington every day.", then, maybe, we'll have a chance.

In America, we have been waiting for the 4 horseman for so long,
that their reality is in doubt. The "Third World", where a third
of the planet's population lives on $2/day or less, knows better
and have seen these cowboys all too often.
--

Billy

The Murder of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

You of course are correct (sic). Famine does not exist in a world-wide
scale. $2 a month is applicable in some areas of the world, that being half
their income.

Yes, avarice (corporations/futures), and lies (politicians) continue to
corrupt and fleece the corruptible and take from meek of heart.

As usual, like most, you skipped overpopulation. Can't/won't address it.
See meek of heart above.

I'll skip the denial (by silence) of global warming causing drought and
flooding.
--
Dave

Hypocrisy. Big SUV, filament lights on all night. You think your neighbor
should be changiing to compact fluorescent light bulbs and driving the
hybrid.

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Food Inflation, Riots Spark Worries for World Leaders, IMF, World Bank
Push for Solutions

By BOB DAVIS and DOUGLAS BELKIN
April 14, 2008; Page A1

WASHINGTON -- Finance ministers gathered this weekend to grapple with
the global financial crisis also struggled with a problem that has
plagued the world periodically since before the time of the Pharaohs:
food shortages.

Surging commodity prices have pushed up global food prices 83% in the
past three years, according to the World Bank -- putting huge stress on
some of the world's poorest nations. Even as the ministers met, Haiti's
Prime Minister Jacques Edouard Alexis was resigning after a week in
which that tiny country's capital was racked by rioting over higher
prices for staples like rice and beans.
[photo]
As food prices soar, protests are breaking out around the world,
including this riot Saturday in Port-au-Prince, Haiti.

Rioting in response to soaring food prices recently has broken out in
Egypt, Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Senegal and Ethiopia. In Pakistan and
Thailand, army troops have been deployed to deter food theft from fields
and warehouses. World Bank President Robert Zoellick warned in a recent
speech that 33 countries are at risk of social upheaval because of
rising food prices. Those could include Indonesia, Yemen, Ghana,
Uzbekistan and the Philippines. In countries where buying food requires
half to three-quarters of a poor person's income, "there is no margin
for survival," he said.

Many policy makers at the weekend meetings of the International Monetary
Fund and World Bank agreed that the problem is severe. Among other
targets, they singled out U.S. policies pushing corn-based ethanol and
other biofuels as deepening the woes. . . (continued)

Found this which deals with water.

http://www.worldwater.org/data.html

Country Annual Renewable Water Resourcesa (km^3/yr) Year of Estimate
Israel 1.7 2001
Iran 137.5 1997
Russia 4498.0 1997
Saudi Arabia 2.4 1997
Brazil 8233.0 2000
United States of America 3069.0 1985
Canada 3300.0 1985

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Don't mean squat to the individual. in any country you mentioned. That is,
the water is usable if substantial for instance. On the other side of the
coin, watershed is much less in one part of the country than the other.
--
Dave

Hypocrisy. Big SUV, filament lights on all night. You think your neighbor
should be changiing to compact fluorescent light bulbs and driving the
hybrid.

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Food Inflation, Riots Spark Worries for World Leaders, IMF, World Bank
Push for Solutions

By BOB DAVIS and DOUGLAS BELKIN
April 14, 2008; Page A1

WASHINGTON -- Finance ministers gathered this weekend to grapple with
the global financial crisis also struggled with a problem that has
plagued the world periodically since before the time of the Pharaohs:
food shortages.

Surging commodity prices have pushed up global food prices 83% in the
past three years, according to the World Bank -- putting huge stress on
some of the world's poorest nations. Even as the ministers met, Haiti's
Prime Minister Jacques Edouard Alexis was resigning after a week in
which that tiny country's capital was racked by rioting over higher
prices for staples like rice and beans.
[photo]
As food prices soar, protests are breaking out around the world,
including this riot Saturday in Port-au-Prince, Haiti.

Rioting in response to soaring food prices recently has broken out in
Egypt, Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Senegal and Ethiopia. In Pakistan and
Thailand, army troops have been deployed to deter food theft from
fields
and warehouses. World Bank President Robert Zoellick warned in a recent
speech that 33 countries are at risk of social upheaval because of
rising food prices. Those could include Indonesia, Yemen, Ghana,
Uzbekistan and the Philippines. In countries where buying food requires
half to three-quarters of a poor person's income, "there is no margin
for survival," he said.

Many policy makers at the weekend meetings of the International
Monetary
Fund and World Bank agreed that the problem is severe. Among other
targets, they singled out U.S. policies pushing corn-based ethanol and
other biofuels as deepening the woes. . . (continued)
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Billy

The Murder of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

4 horseman of the Apocalypse, famine. Overpopulation. Drought,
flooding,
et al - global warming. Self-induced/self-created problem by mankind.

Self-induced/self-created problem by the species homo sapiens
but driven by the avarice and lies of only a few of them. Does
seem to be the "season of the witch", though. When people wake
up and listen to the words of I. F. Stone,"Rich people march on
Washington every day.", then, maybe, we'll have a chance.

In America, we have been waiting for the 4 horseman for so long,
that their reality is in doubt. The "Third World", where a third
of the planet's population lives on $2/day or less, knows better
and have seen these cowboys all too often.
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Billy

The Murder of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

You of course are correct (sic). Famine does not exist in a world-wide
scale. $2 a month is applicable in some areas of the world, that being half
their income.

Yes, avarice (corporations/futures), and lies (politicians) continue to
corrupt and fleece the corruptible and take from meek of heart.

As usual, like most, you skipped overpopulation. Can't/won't address it.
See meek of heart above.
Addressed else where. It is a problem but if the next president let's us
hand out condoms, raises the third worlds standard of living while
reducing ours to the level of the Europeans all should be well:-( Really
wish I believed that.

I'll skip the denial (by silence) of global warming causing drought and
flooding.

The really scary part is that Pakistan has stationed troops at food
depots and agricultural areas to protect the food supply. The population
of density Pakistan is higher than Manhattan, 544/sq. mi., and they are
nuclear armed with long range missiles.

The Democrats aren't the solution (Clinon:4 more years of war, Obama: a
health plan that only an insurance company could love) and the
Republicans offer 95 more years of war, with no funding, and tax cuts
for the rich. What party can we vote for? No, I don't like Nader either,
because he doesn't have a party base. Dang!
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Billy

The Murder of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

In article , Charlie wrote:

http://www.alternet.org/water/81301/

Listen up Canadians. We don't know how this happened, but our water is
on your land, and we want it back. Our advice is to grab your ankles and
brace yourselves.

The article also said Hoover (a.k.a. Boulder) Dam would be dry by 2021.
Boulder Dam's 2.1 Gigawatts provides the following percentages of
hydro-electric energy to the following communities.
Arizona 18.9527 percent
Nevada 23.3706 percent
Metropolitan Water Dist of Southern California 28.5393 percent
Burbank, CA 0.5876 percent
Glendale, CA 1.5874 percent
Pasadena, CA 1.3629 percent
Los Angeles, CA 15.4229 percent
Southern California Edison Co. 5.5377 percent

This is clean energy that will need to be replaced by . . . ?

We better get someone who can lead this country, and soon. Not just some
winner of a popularity contest.

I guess I'm just morbid but the movie "Perfect Storm" keeps coming to
mind.
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Billy

The Murder of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

http://www.alternet.org/water/81301/

Listen up Canadians. We don't know how this happened, but our water is
on your land, and we want it back. Our advice is to grab your ankles and
brace yourselves.

The article also said Hoover (a.k.a. Boulder) Dam would be dry by 2021.
Boulder Dam's 2.1 Gigawatts provides the following percentages of
hydro-electric energy to the following communities.
Arizona 18.9527 percent
Nevada 23.3706 percent
Metropolitan Water Dist of Southern California 28.5393 percent
Burbank, CA 0.5876 percent
Glendale, CA 1.5874 percent
Pasadena, CA 1.3629 percent
Los Angeles, CA 15.4229 percent
Southern California Edison Co. 5.5377 percent

This is clean energy that will need to be replaced by . . . ?

We better get someone who can lead this country, and soon. Not just some
winner of a popularity contest.

I guess I'm just morbid but the movie "Perfect Storm" keeps coming to
mind.

Na Billy what we need is more distraction.

http://www.amazon.com/Stormy-Weather...son/dp/B000BOH
922/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1208558340&sr=1-3

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw...gital-music&fi
eld-keywords=I+feel+good&x=0&y=0

Still my plants are coming on and I think about more for next season.
Trying to get my children to get into it, this providing for themselves.
I'd hazard a guess as prices go up perhaps more hands may help.
Idealist you bet.

Bill


Best

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

In article
,
Bill wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

http://www.alternet.org/water/81301/

Listen up Canadians. We don't know how this happened, but our water is
on your land, and we want it back. Our advice is to grab your ankles and
brace yourselves.

The article also said Hoover (a.k.a. Boulder) Dam would be dry by 2021.
Boulder Dam's 2.1 Gigawatts provides the following percentages of
hydro-electric energy to the following communities.
Arizona 18.9527 percent
Nevada 23.3706 percent
Metropolitan Water Dist of Southern California 28.5393 percent
Burbank, CA 0.5876 percent
Glendale, CA 1.5874 percent
Pasadena, CA 1.3629 percent
Los Angeles, CA 15.4229 percent
Southern California Edison Co. 5.5377 percent

This is clean energy that will need to be replaced by . . . ?

We better get someone who can lead this country, and soon. Not just some
winner of a popularity contest.

I guess I'm just morbid but the movie "Perfect Storm" keeps coming to
mind.

Na Billy what we need is more distraction.

http://www.amazon.com/Stormy-Weather...son/dp/B000BOH
922/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1208558340&sr=1-3

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw...gital-music&fi
eld-keywords=I+feel+good&x=0&y=0

Still my plants are coming on and I think about more for next season.
Trying to get my children to get into it, this providing for themselves.
I'd hazard a guess as prices go up perhaps more hands may help.
Idealist you bet.

Bill


Best

Oh lord, here we go again.
You do realize Bill that for subsistence farming, you will need more
children;-)
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Billy

The Murder of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml