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Pepper saga.......... Pepper expert anyone?
Marie Dodge said:
"Pat Kiewicz" wrote in message ... Marie Dodge said: In reference to wheat flour/buttermilk mite remedy: Have you found any of these concoctions to work for you? This one, no, but I have had people say it did work for them. Actually, I should have said "no, I've never used it myself." I rarely use any pesticides these day, and even those are mainly limited to soap and pyrethrin. Many people claim Neem Oil worked for them and it did nothing to even slow them down in my garden. Neem oil has some very few legitimate uses but is touted as a panacea. And there is no such thing as a panacea. I would have warned you off that... I would like to know what organic or inorganic actually works on mites other than Kelthane which I can't get anymore. Kelthane was the only product I ever had that killed the mites in two sprayings. Lime sulfur, maybe, as per info at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/6oozzc (Lime sulfur is a long-standing remedy for a long list of mites, including mange mites and chiggers as well as horticultural pests.) BUT! I wouldn't expect any remedy (even Kelthane, if you could get it) to help at this point. But dusts (flour or mineral) are legitimate remedies for insects and mite pests. Call them 'particle films' and they even sound ....exciting: http://preview.tinyurl.com/6j3m22 Which takes you to: http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles...ook%20Chapter% 20Particle%20Film%20Technolgy.pdf That document contains the following line: "Although not mineral-based, Ghate and Marshall (1962) suppressed eggs and mobile forms of European red mite and two-spotted spider mites with a combination of buttermilk and wheat flour." The kaolin-based product, Surround (R), which is mention in the document cited above, is available mail-order to home gardeners from various places (if anyone is interested). Then hit every dormant shrub or tree in the vicinity of the garden with some dormant sprays of oil before they break bud next spring. Then maybe hit the area with lime sulfur after bud break: We live out in the country so that's impossible. We're surrounded by woodland and underbrush, weeds and wildflowers. It would take thousands of dollars and aerial spraying would be required. But thanks for the info..... Hell, even people who *don't* live out in the country are surrounded by other peoples yards with plenty of trees, bushes, weeds and flowers which are *completely* beyond their control, let alone being beyond their *budget*! Why did you assume I meant such a hugely extensive action? Perhaps I should have thrown in the word "immediate" before "vicinity." As in, if you have a row of raspberries, or a hedge row, or a couple of peach trees next to the garden, spray *them* (they almost certainly need the protection, after what's happened this year). Next year, you will need to invest in prevention, which is always less expensive and more effective than trying to cure. (Prevention is less expensive, though not FREE.) Right now you are hit hard with "throwing good money after bad" regret/anger, and the fact that the most reasonable action at this point is to destroy everything you planted for this year, which hurts. HURTS BIGTIME! -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) After enlightenment, the laundry. |
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Pepper saga.......... Pepper expert anyone?
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Pat Kiewicz wrote: But thanks for the info..... I'll second that. Very informative post. Thank you Pat. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html |
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Pepper saga.......... Pepper expert anyone?
"Pat Kiewicz" wrote in message ... Marie Dodge said: "Pat Kiewicz" wrote in message ... Marie Dodge said: In reference to wheat flour/buttermilk mite remedy: Have you found any of these concoctions to work for you? This one, no, but I have had people say it did work for them. Actually, I should have said "no, I've never used it myself." I rarely use any pesticides these day, and even those are mainly limited to soap and pyrethrin. I know what you mean. I seldom had bug/insect problems in my gardens. This is the first wf and sm I've ever seen here. Usually just a few tomato horn worms, a squash bug or two and a couple Japanese beetles... they've never been a problem. Only SBV are here every year. Many people claim Neem Oil worked for them and it did nothing to even slow them down in my garden. Neem oil has some very few legitimate uses but is touted as a panacea. And there is no such thing as a panacea. I would have warned you off that... I have no way to know who tried the products they recommend and who just makes suggestions because someone told them it worked for their brother's sister-in-law's tenant's daughter.... you know what I mean. I would like to know what organic or inorganic actually works on mites other than Kelthane which I can't get anymore. Kelthane was the only product I ever had that killed the mites in two sprayings. Lime sulfur, maybe, as per info at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/6oozzc (Lime sulfur is a long-standing remedy for a long list of mites, including mange mites and chiggers as well as horticultural pests.) After looking at the one garden today I don't think it would matter anymore. The season ends here in Mid October. There's no time left to get a pepper crop. The damage to the plants is too severe. Too many weeks wasted trying things people recommended that didn't work, or barely worked. The smelly Organicide is slowing working, but it's too late now. It will take to long. BUT! I wouldn't expect any remedy (even Kelthane, if you could get it) to help at this point. But dusts (flour or mineral) are legitimate remedies for insects and mite pests. Call them 'particle films' and they even sound ...exciting: http://preview.tinyurl.com/6j3m22 I would love to find an organic answer. Very interesting read. Thanks. :^) Which takes you to: http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles...ook%20Chapter% 20Particle%20Film%20Technolgy.pdf That document contains the following line: "Although not mineral-based, Ghate and Marshall (1962) suppressed eggs and mobile forms of European red mite and two-spotted spider mites with a combination of buttermilk and wheat flour." The kaolin-based product, Surround (R), which is mention in the document cited above, is available mail-order to home gardeners from various places (if anyone is interested). I'll look for it locally. Shipping today often costs more than or the same as the product itself. And at this point these plants are hardly worth pouring more money on. We live out in the country so that's impossible. We're surrounded by woodland and underbrush, weeds and wildflowers. It would take thousands of dollars and aerial spraying would be required. But thanks for the info..... Hell, even people who *don't* live out in the country are surrounded by other peoples yards with plenty of trees, bushes, weeds and flowers which are *completely* beyond their control, let alone being beyond their *budget*! Why did you assume I meant such a hugely extensive action? Sorry, must have misunderstood you. Perhaps I should have thrown in the word "immediate" before "vicinity." As in, if you have a row of raspberries, or a hedge row, or a couple of peach trees next to the garden, spray *them* (they almost certainly need the protection, after what's happened this year). Oh... OK. Gotcha. :^) Next year, you will need to invest in prevention, which is always less expensive and more effective than trying to cure. (Prevention is less expensive, though not FREE.) Right now you are hit hard with "throwing good money after bad" regret/anger, and the fact that the most reasonable action at this point is to destroy everything you planted for this year, which hurts. HURTS BIGTIME! Yep, it's got one week for us to see serious improvement. If none, then everything from that garden is being burned, cremated. The ashes will be spread out by the road. We're not using anything from the gardens for compost this year. We found a place to get loads of mulch to compost from the city. It's all shredded tree limbs, bark and leaves. Next year I'll start spraying the plants the day I set them out. -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) After enlightenment, the laundry. |
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