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How raised is raised
We are ready to till up our garden, and want to raise it in beds or
platforms so us old people don't have to bend over so much. Is it practical to raise them to desk level, or is just a foot or two sufficient? I would think that whatever you made the raised bed from would rot from water and gook within a few years. And then, if you use cinderblock or cement, you're talking high cost and a lot of skilled labor. Help appreciated. Steve -- -Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.- |
How raised is raised
On 11/3/2008 3:43 PM, SteveB wrote:
We are ready to till up our garden, and want to raise it in beds or platforms so us old people don't have to bend over so much. Is it practical to raise them to desk level, or is just a foot or two sufficient? I would think that whatever you made the raised bed from would rot from water and gook within a few years. And then, if you use cinderblock or cement, you're talking high cost and a lot of skilled labor. Help appreciated. Steve Raised beds are generally done to improve drainage in heavy soils, not to make the beds convenient for people. If you wish to raise your beds for your convenience, do them as high as you want. Just remember that the higher you make a bed, the stronger you must make the frame. I have one raised bed, a square just about a foot high and 40 inches on a side. This is for a Mineola tangelo because citrus needs soils that draing very well while my soil is adobe clay. The bed is framed with a single layer of unmortared cinder blocks. I filled the holes in the blocks with potting mix and planted wax-leaf begonias in them. I also have a raised miniature circular bed that is about 6 inches high and 15 inches in diameter. This is for a foxglove plant. The bed is framed with a cereal box that I cut apart and stapled to create a ring. I expect this frame to decompose, by which time the foxglove roots should hold the raised soil together in a mound. The rest of my garden is at the original level. I'm 67 and have a bad back. I work much of my garden on my knees. I use a step bench that can be turned upside-down; under the step is a 1-inch pad of foam rubber for my knees. The legs (for when it's right-side-up) assist me to stand up. Right-side-up, it's very handy for sitting and resting. See my http://www.rossde.com/garden/tools.html; scroll down a little past half-way. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean Sunset Zone: 21 -- interior Santa Monica Mountains with some ocean influence (USDA 10a, very close to Sunset Zone 19) Gardening pages at http://www.rossde.com/garden/ |
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"David E. Ross" wrote in message ... Raised beds are generally done to improve drainage in heavy soils, not to make the beds convenient for people. You, David E. Ross, are without a doubt one of the most arrogantly ignorant twits ever encountered in this group!! No, I take that back........you are just a dumb ****!! Val |
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"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... We are ready to till up our garden, and want to raise it in beds or platforms so us old people don't have to bend over so much. Is it practical to raise them to desk level, or is just a foot or two sufficient? I would think that whatever you made the raised bed from would rot from water and gook within a few years. And then, if you use cinderblock or cement, you're talking high cost and a lot of skilled labor. Help appreciated. Steve -- Usually they are built some number of boards (or bricks) high. So if you make them two 8" or 10" boards high you can sit on the edge or sit on a stool on the path and lean over the bed, provided that they are not too wide, about 3-4 ft is good assuming access from both sides. It would be good to make a mock-up and see if your mobility permits you to access the bed comfortably before starting construction. Try kneeling or kneeling over a stool or crate (ie it supports your chest) as people find different postures comfortable. It is practical to make them desk high but you would be looking at more substantial construction as you are now building higher walls that have to hold back heavy wet soil. There are timbers that will last for many years in contact with the soil. I would stay away from the heavily chemically treated sort - especially for a vege garden. Here in Australia suitable untreated timbers are among the native hardwoods, if you get the right sort your fence posts (or garden beds) will last 30-40 years in the ground. The building trade (here) has a rating system for timber called durability class which will guide you. I don't know where you are or what sort of timber is available so I cannot be specific. Concrete blocks will work too. As with many things the better solutions tend to be more expensive in the short term but may not be if you look at their total life. David |
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"David E. Ross" wrote: I have one raised bed, a square just about a foot high and 40 inches on a side. This is for a Mineola tangelo because citrus needs soils that draing very well while my soil is adobe clay. The bed is framed with a single layer of unmortared cinder blocks. I filled the holes in the blocks with potting mix and planted wax-leaf begonias in them. I've also built two raised beds with unmortared cinderblock 3 bricks high, and that hardly takes skilled labor. ;-) I like them but do have to add soil to them every year. Not that that's a bad thing. I like them. One is for asparagus and the other is for dad's medicinal flowers such as marigold and purple cone flower. -- Peace! Om "Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama |
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"Val" wrote: "David E. Ross" wrote in message ... Raised beds are generally done to improve drainage in heavy soils, not to make the beds convenient for people. You, David E. Ross, are without a doubt one of the most arrogantly ignorant twits ever encountered in this group!! No, I take that back........you are just a dumb ****!! Val What the hell is up with that Val? Yeesh! -- Peace! Om "Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama |
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"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
We are ready to till up our garden, and want to raise it in beds or platforms so us old people don't have to bend over so much. Is it practical to raise them to desk level, or is just a foot or two sufficient? I would think that whatever you made the raised bed from would rot from water and gook within a few years. And then, if you use cinderblock or cement, you're talking high cost and a lot of skilled labor. It's very practical to use waist high beds and they are becoming increasingly popular. You don't mention where you live but you may be interested in seeing the following: http://www.knudsentanks.com.au/links.htm I've seen these in use at a number of Open Gardens and been very impressed with the way they grew vegetables and flowers and allowed very elderly gardeners to continue to garden long after they had trouble bending down. I've seem then with plastic over to make mini greenhouses and bird netting over, and just left as beds. Very, very impressive and I want a number of them but have only recently managed to find them. |
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"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... We are ready to till up our garden, and want to raise it in beds or platforms so us old people don't have to bend over so much. Is it practical to raise them to desk level, or is just a foot or two sufficient? I would think that whatever you made the raised bed from would rot from water and gook within a few years. And then, if you use cinderblock or cement, you're talking high cost and a lot of skilled labor. Help appreciated. Steve I belonged to a community group that spent two weekends a month building raised beds for the elderly and disabled. I think you are wise to consider raised beds now so you can continue gardening comfortably for many years to come. Instead of going into lengthy descriptions I will suggest an excellent book. I'm sure your local library will have this as well as others or be able to order them if you don't want to purchase. I'm using the link to Amazon since they give pretty descriptions and reviews. http://www.amazon.com/Accessible-Gar.../dp/0811726525 At the bottom of that link are 'books you might also like'. You might want to check those out as well. One of the most popular heights for raised beds we built was 18" high. These seemed to be easiest to garden while seated, depending on the size of the person. A sturdy garden stool or laying a board between the bed edges to form a bench is very comfortable way to garden. It was the most popular design for our seniors and those with leg and back problems. Desk height sounds good and logical but it won't take much for a plant to grow too tall to be easily managed and standing for long periods can become very tiring in some cases. We found two feet high turned out to be an awkward height for most people. Too high to sit and too low for bending. You just think you aren't bending but you are, causing even more back problems. That's why they tell mothers to *not* change the baby on a bed. Bending over repetitively at that angle is murder on the lower back. However the beds around the 2 foot mark was best for those in wheelchairs. Make sure you don't make the beds so wide you can't reach to tend them while sitting. And take into consideration if your wife is shorter than you to build these to the comfort to the smallest person. Tall people can always reach 'short', if one is small and/or short and having to reach 'tall' it can be very uncomfortable and frustrating. This is all in the book, you can customize depending on the height and reach of you and your wife and the lay of the land. We built the majority of the beds out of cinder block. They lasted indefinitely and the edge could also be used to sit on. Sometimes a bit more expense initially will save you dollars down the road, and you will have the pleasure of gardening for years to come. Val |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message ... I've seem then with plastic over to make mini greenhouses and bird netting over, and just left as beds. Very, very impressive and I want a number of them but have only recently managed to find them. Those are pretty spiffy bins! I used 10ft lengths of PVC pipe bent to arch over my raised beds. Think covered wagon. You can actually get clips that will hold materials to the pipe from greenhouse supply places. I used plastic early and late season, netting to keep the birds out of assorted yummy fruits and Remy (sp) cloth to keep out the bad bugs on certain crops. The plastic extended my growing season by at least two and in some cases three months and the netting saved all the strawberries for human consumption. Val |
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"Val" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message I've seem then with plastic over to make mini greenhouses and bird netting over, and just left as beds. Very, very impressive and I want a number of them but have only recently managed to find them. Those are pretty spiffy bins! Aren't they just :-)) Very neat once in place and so light to bring into a garden. I used 10ft lengths of PVC pipe bent to arch over my raised beds. Think covered wagon. Thats the sort of arch I make for putting shade cloth or bird netting over seedlings or fruit trees. I make arches out of 8 guage fencing wire for small covers and star pickets (Y posts in US speak) and 2 inch poly pipe for trees You can actually get clips that will hold materials to the pipe from greenhouse supply places. I use old boards or bricks or just baling twine to keep mine in place. I used plastic early and late season, netting to keep the birds out of assorted yummy fruits and Remy (sp) cloth to keep out the bad bugs on certain crops. I've used old net curtains when there has been a locust plague. The plastic extended my growing season by at least two and in some cases three months and the netting saved all the strawberries for human consumption. I have to keep Blue tongued lizards away from my strawbs - they eat them whole otherwise. It's a wonder any of us get produce given all the wildlife we ahve to keep from eating our crops. |
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, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: It's a wonder any of us get produce given all the wildlife we ahve to keep from eating our crops. Why do you think so few crops in the stores are "organic"? -- Peace! Om "Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message ... "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message We are ready to till up our garden, and want to raise it in beds or platforms so us old people don't have to bend over so much. Is it practical to raise them to desk level, or is just a foot or two sufficient? I would think that whatever you made the raised bed from would rot from water and gook within a few years. And then, if you use cinderblock or cement, you're talking high cost and a lot of skilled labor. It's very practical to use waist high beds and they are becoming increasingly popular. You don't mention where you live but you may be interested in seeing the following: http://www.knudsentanks.com.au/links.htm I've seen these in use at a number of Open Gardens and been very impressed with the way they grew vegetables and flowers and allowed very elderly gardeners to continue to garden long after they had trouble bending down. I've seem then with plastic over to make mini greenhouses and bird netting over, and just left as beds. Very, very impressive and I want a number of them but have only recently managed to find them. Dang, I would have never thought of that. I am sure I can get some locally from ranchers, and perhaps get some plastic ones that are either damaged or old. We have a local AM radio program called Tradio, and you can call in for free. Right now, I'm looking for an Aermotor windmill to power my backyard waterfall collection. Steve |
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I used 10ft lengths of PVC pipe bent to arch over my raised beds. Think covered wagon. Thats the sort of arch I make for putting shade cloth or bird netting over seedlings or fruit trees. I make arches out of 8 guage fencing wire for small covers and star pickets (Y posts in US speak) and 2 inch poly pipe for trees You can actually get clips that will hold materials to the pipe from greenhouse supply places. I use old boards or bricks or just baling twine to keep mine in place. I used plastic early and late season, netting to keep the birds out of assorted yummy fruits and Remy (sp) cloth to keep out the bad bugs on certain crops. I've used old net curtains when there has been a locust plague. The plastic extended my growing season by at least two and in some cases three months and the netting saved all the strawberries for human consumption. I have to keep Blue tongued lizards away from my strawbs - they eat them whole otherwise. It's a wonder any of us get produce given all the wildlife we ahve to keep from eating our crops. I have a Singer walking foot industrial sewing machine, and I'll be using it this year to make some shadecloth covers for parts of the garden as well as decorative canvas awnings. Steve |
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"Val" wrote in message ... "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... We are ready to till up our garden, and want to raise it in beds or platforms so us old people don't have to bend over so much. Is it practical to raise them to desk level, or is just a foot or two sufficient? I would think that whatever you made the raised bed from would rot from water and gook within a few years. And then, if you use cinderblock or cement, you're talking high cost and a lot of skilled labor. Help appreciated. Steve I belonged to a community group that spent two weekends a month building raised beds for the elderly and disabled. I think you are wise to consider raised beds now so you can continue gardening comfortably for many years to come. Instead of going into lengthy descriptions I will suggest an excellent book. I'm sure your local library will have this as well as others or be able to order them if you don't want to purchase. I'm using the link to Amazon since they give pretty descriptions and reviews. http://www.amazon.com/Accessible-Gar.../dp/0811726525 At the bottom of that link are 'books you might also like'. You might want to check those out as well. One of the most popular heights for raised beds we built was 18" high. These seemed to be easiest to garden while seated, depending on the size of the person. A sturdy garden stool or laying a board between the bed edges to form a bench is very comfortable way to garden. It was the most popular design for our seniors and those with leg and back problems. Desk height sounds good and logical but it won't take much for a plant to grow too tall to be easily managed and standing for long periods can become very tiring in some cases. We found two feet high turned out to be an awkward height for most people. Too high to sit and too low for bending. You just think you aren't bending but you are, causing even more back problems. That's why they tell mothers to *not* change the baby on a bed. Bending over repetitively at that angle is murder on the lower back. However the beds around the 2 foot mark was best for those in wheelchairs. Make sure you don't make the beds so wide you can't reach to tend them while sitting. And take into consideration if your wife is shorter than you to build these to the comfort to the smallest person. Tall people can always reach 'short', if one is small and/or short and having to reach 'tall' it can be very uncomfortable and frustrating. This is all in the book, you can customize depending on the height and reach of you and your wife and the lay of the land. We built the majority of the beds out of cinder block. They lasted indefinitely and the edge could also be used to sit on. Sometimes a bit more expense initially will save you dollars down the road, and you will have the pleasure of gardening for years to come. Val I got an L1 crush fracture July 4th when my ATV rolled on me. A month later, I tore a rib loose. I'm going to be doing some gardening basically standing up from now on. Will get the local strong teens and some church people to help me build these. Steve |
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Omelet wrote:
I've also built two raised beds with unmortared cinderblock 3 bricks high, and that hardly takes skilled labor. ;-) �I like them You live where the ground doesn't freeze. |
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"SteveB" wrote:
We are ready to till up our garden, and want to raise it in beds or platforms so us old people don't have to bend over so much. � I assume you mean a vegetable garden. For tilling you'll still need to get up into the bed. Is it practical to raise them to desk level, or is just a foot or two sufficient? � I think a foot or two is more practical, especially if you want more than a teensy vegetable garden. The general formula in how-to books is to construct raised beds so that they are no higher and wider than you can comfortably reach to the center from each side... for most folks 24" X 30" high and 4' wide works well... if you make them sized so you need to do much stretching then you've defeated your purpose... with raised beds less is more. Keep in mind that many plants grow taller than you can reach were they planted at ground level, planted up in a raised bed you will need to climb into the bed... I think you'll be spending a lot of time/energy climbing in and out of raised beds I honestly don't see the benefit to raised beds unless all you want is one or maybe two very small gardens as a fancy schmancy landscape feature but I don't think they are practical. There really isn't much bending with gardening anyways except for weeding. Weed block cloth takes care of that easily and costs far less than bed construction. And for harvesting low growing crops I find sitting on a small stool works fine, I have an assortment; one of those reversable kneeling- siting benches, a contractor bucket with swivel seat, a cheap Rubbermaid plastic step stool, and a few ordinary foam type cheapo kneeling cushions. I prefer to get in there with my plants and I don't like having to crowd plants because of limited space. I would think that whatever you made the raised bed from would rot from water and gook within a few years. �And then, if you use cinderblock or cement, you're talking high cost and a lot of skilled labor. Treated lumber works well and lasts many years, square fence posts are perfect... design your bed to accomodate standard length lumber, ie. make your bed 4' X 8", not 5' X 9'. I wouldn't suggest masonary if you live where the ground freezes, it will heave and crack. Also before you begin decide if you will need your bed fenced to keep critters out, if so regulation-type raised beds may not be what you want because any fence that keeps critters out will keep you out too. For my 50' X 50' vegetable garden I used real RR ties laid flat on the ground, even though used I'm sure they will outlast me. The ties really just delineate the garden, keeps the amended soil in and the yard soil out, keeps outside weeds from encroaching and gives me a solid base for attaching a sturdy deer fence, and a gate for me... also gives me an inside walkway around the entire perimeter. Before you get too involved and begin buying construction materials give this raised bed idea a lot of consideration and reconsideration. I used plain old fashioned RR ties: http://i34.tinypic.com/2wp6ukz.jpg My next door neighbor is a little fancier: http://i34.tinypic.com/2dvsvvc.jpg |
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g'day steve,
why till at all if you are going to do raised beds? you can make them as high as you like almost, maybe for you around 2' to 3' tall depending on those who are going to use them. keep the beds to about 3' wide. we have pic's on how we do our beds on our site they may give you some ideas? corrugated roofing makes for good sides not sure what roofing you have over there but any metal shet roofing might do, but you could use any materila you may get locally look in the demolition yards maybe? the beds probably aren't going to be cheap to set up due to the height you want but once done that is it then. the corrugated stuff is popular over here seems to last quiet a while. the ones here are all premade beds just sit them on the ground and fill them, but for me i'd prefer loose sheets and galvanised star pickets, so if a sheet did corrode out then it would be easier to eitehr replace or fit another sheet over it. blocks will cost because you need to lay a foundation first so they don't fall over. On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:43:16 -0800, "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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len gardener wrote:
g'day steve, why till at all if you are going to do raised beds? I wouldn't call yours raised beds, they're more like largish window boxes, flower pots if you will, filled with what's essentially potting mix. Most folks who construct raised beds on top of real topsoil and fill with real topsoil till twice a year; fall and spring. Soil compacts and needs to be aerated and how else to amend nutrient depleted soil but to blend in fresh composted organic matter. I know that there are many lazy methods to revitaliz depleted soil, like spraying liquid fertilizers or sprinkling fertilizer pellets, but that doesn't make soil very much more productive than had nothing been done... perhaps with potting mix that method is better than nothing. Anyway it's no big deal to rototill a raised bed, with soil that's already been broken up it shouldn't take more than ten minutes each. corrugated roofing makes for good sides http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ Nothing wrong with corrugated metal sides where you live but what you built won't work where winters are severe, the ground will freeze, heave that corrugated out of the ground and buckle that tin so much that come spring it will need to be hauled to the dump. It's important to realize that in gardening and construction what works well in one climate probably won't work at all in another. |
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, Sheldon wrote: Omelet wrote: I've also built two raised beds with unmortared cinderblock 3 bricks high, and that hardly takes skilled labor. ;-) ?I like them You live where the ground doesn't freeze. Wanna bet? Granted, not as bad as where you are, but it happens. I'll sometimes tent stuff with old sheets and run a clip lamp out there when I get freeze warnings. -- Peace! Om "Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama |
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On Nov 4, 4:18�pm, Omelet wrote:
In article , �Sheldon wrote: Omelet wrote: I've also built two raised beds with unmortared cinderblock 3 bricks high, and that hardly takes skilled labor. ;-) ?I like them You live where the ground doesn't freeze. Wanna bet? Granted, not as bad as where you are, but it happens. �I'll sometimes tent stuff with old sheets and run a clip lamp out there when I get freeze warnings. Where you live you'll get an occasional light frost that will affect plants (really just dew freezing) but you don't get a hard freeze where the ground freezes solid. |
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"len gardener" wrote in message ... g'day steve, why till at all if you are going to do raised beds? you can make them as high as you like almost, maybe for you around 2' to 3' tall depending on those who are going to use them. keep the beds to about 3' wide. we have pic's on how we do our beds on our site they may give you some ideas? corrugated roofing makes for good sides not sure what roofing you have over there but any metal shet roofing might do, but you could use any materila you may get locally look in the demolition yards maybe? the beds probably aren't going to be cheap to set up due to the height you want but once done that is it then. the corrugated stuff is popular over here seems to last quiet a while. the ones here are all premade beds just sit them on the ground and fill them, but for me i'd prefer loose sheets and galvanised star pickets, so if a sheet did corrode out then it would be easier to eitehr replace or fit another sheet over it. blocks will cost because you need to lay a foundation first so they don't fall over. On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:43:16 -0800, "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ Thank you for another fine idea. I am going to pick up some 22 ga. corrugated metal tomorrow from a local Fabral plant. I can get all the scraps I want. Tomorrow, I will be picking up 8' lengths for a lean to shade. But I can have them trim them to most any length, and a bunch cut to length would be mighty handy. Thanks again. Steve |
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"Sheldon" wrote in message
... On Nov 4, 4:18?pm, Omelet wrote: In article , ?Sheldon wrote: Omelet wrote: I've also built two raised beds with unmortared cinderblock 3 bricks high, and that hardly takes skilled labor. ;-) ?I like them You live where the ground doesn't freeze. Wanna bet? Granted, not as bad as where you are, but it happens. ?I'll sometimes tent stuff with old sheets and run a clip lamp out there when I get freeze warnings. Where you live you'll get an occasional light frost that will affect plants (really just dew freezing) but you don't get a hard freeze where the ground freezes solid. ---------------------- Another case of geographical location specific advice. Quite common here. All must read with a grain or more of salt to judge if such advice is appropriate for themselves. -- Dave If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not a cantaloupe. |
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"Dioclese" wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote in message ... On Nov 4, 4:18?pm, Omelet wrote: In article , ?Sheldon wrote: Omelet wrote: I've also built two raised beds with unmortared cinderblock 3 bricks high, and that hardly takes skilled labor. ;-) ?I like them You live where the ground doesn't freeze. Wanna bet? Granted, not as bad as where you are, but it happens. ?I'll sometimes tent stuff with old sheets and run a clip lamp out there when I get freeze warnings. Where you live you'll get an occasional light frost that will affect plants (really just dew freezing) but you don't get a hard freeze where the ground freezes solid. ---------------------- Another case of geographical location specific advice. �Quite common here. All must read with a grain or more of salt to judge if such advice is appropriate for themselves. Don't you know how to construct a sentence properly, what's with all that broken English gibberish? You express yourself with baby talk, may as well type goo goo gaa gaa. Dioclese, you should be ashamed of yourself demonstrating so poor a level of communitating skills in a public arena, ridiculous sentence fragments make you look the buffoon. If you are going continue participating with Newsgroups you will definitely benefit from a remedial writing course. I happen to know Omelet's location and climate but it's up to her to post any particulars. In a gardening group particularly if anyone cares to have their queries taken seriously they need to post their location, clearly and with a degree of specificity so that folks can reply in a utile manner... it's never the responsibility of posters to search for and decipher code. |
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On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:26:17 -0800, "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas
wrote: snipped Thanks again. Steve keep us informed would like to see pics of the finished product. maybe send e/mail for more chat? With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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"Sheldon" wrote in message
"Dioclese" wrote: Another case of geographical location specific advice. ?Quite common here. All must read with a grain or more of salt to judge if such advice is appropriate for themselves. Don't you know how to construct a sentence properly, what's with all that broken English gibberish? You express yourself with baby talk, may as well type goo goo gaa gaa. Dioclese, you should be ashamed of yourself demonstrating so poor a level of communitating skills in a public arena, ridiculous sentence fragments make you look the buffoon. If you are going continue participating with Newsgroups you will definitely benefit from a remedial writing course. __________________________________________ Hmmmm. Great 'communitating' skills Sheldon. |
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On Nov 5, 12:11 pm, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote in message "Dioclese" wrote: Another case of geographical location specific advice. ?Quite common here. All must read with a grain or more of salt to judge if such advice is appropriate for themselves. Don't you know how to construct a sentence properly, what's with all that broken English gibberish? You express yourself with baby talk, may as well type goo goo gaa gaa. Dioclese, you should be ashamed of yourself demonstrating so poor a level of communitating skills in a public arena, ridiculous sentence fragments make you look the buffoon. If you are going continue participating with Newsgroups you will definitely benefit from a remedial writing course. __________________________________________ Hmmmm. Great 'communitating' skills Sheldon. Hmmm, indeed. You might brush up on the proper use of the semi-colon; you might check out run together sentences, too, Sheldon. mle |
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, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Sheldon" wrote in message "Dioclese" wrote: Another case of geographical location specific advice. ?Quite common here. All must read with a grain or more of salt to judge if such advice is appropriate for themselves. Don't you know how to construct a sentence properly, what's with all that broken English gibberish? You express yourself with baby talk, may as well type goo goo gaa gaa. Dioclese, you should be ashamed of yourself demonstrating so poor a level of communitating skills in a public arena, ridiculous sentence fragments make you look the buffoon. If you are going continue participating with Newsgroups you will definitely benefit from a remedial writing course. __________________________________________ Hmmmm. Great 'communitating' skills Sheldon. Not overlooking the fact that this is a gardening forum and not on English grammar. Posters often take great liberties with the English language without chastisement from self important little twirps, such as you. Let's take a look at your little work of art. "Don't you know how to construct a sentence properly (The sentence needs a period or a conjunction)(Properly should precede construct, as it is an adverb and sentence a noun. Otherwise, you sound like someone's affected maiden aunt.) You express yourself with baby talk, may as well type goo goo gaa gaa. (This is an event that took place in the past, which requires a past tense: expressed. What did you just do, if not express yourself in baby talk, and this is in reference to what element/s of Dioclese's post?) Dioclese, you should be ashamed of yourself demonstrating so poor a level of communitating skills in a public arena (This is freakin' USENET you idiot. You're lucky not to get flamed;O), ridiculous sentence fragments make you look the buffoon (You didn't build much of a case for your opinion, Shelly. Actually, it looks as if you have indicted yourself.) If you are going continue participating with Newsgroups you will definitely benefit from a remedial writing course. (We would all benefit from a writing course, but of what benefit is it, in this particular news group,except, perhaps, to keep certain self-important, "toffee-nosed" gits away from you?) -- Billy Republican and Democratic "Leadership" Behind Bars http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net |
How raised is raised
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message ... "Sheldon" wrote in message "Dioclese" wrote: Another case of geographical location specific advice. ?Quite common here. All must read with a grain or more of salt to judge if such advice is appropriate for themselves. Don't you know how to construct a sentence properly, what's with all that broken English gibberish? You express yourself with baby talk, may as well type goo goo gaa gaa. Dioclese, you should be ashamed of yourself demonstrating so poor a level of communitating skills in a public arena, ridiculous sentence fragments make you look the buffoon. If you are going continue participating with Newsgroups you will definitely benefit from a remedial writing course. __________________________________________ Hmmmm. Great 'communitating' skills Sheldon. Funny. I understood him perfectly. Does that make me as stupid as you think he is? Hmmmm. Lemmee see .......... yep, this is a gardening group, and not alt.properEnglish ...... Steve |
How raised is raised
"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Sheldon" wrote in message "Dioclese" wrote: Another case of geographical location specific advice. ?Quite common here. All must read with a grain or more of salt to judge if such advice is appropriate for themselves. Don't you know how to construct a sentence properly, what's with all that broken English gibberish? You express yourself with baby talk, may as well type goo goo gaa gaa. Dioclese, you should be ashamed of yourself demonstrating so poor a level of communitating skills in a public arena, ridiculous sentence fragments make you look the buffoon. If you are going continue participating with Newsgroups you will definitely benefit from a remedial writing course. __________________________________________ Hmmmm. Great 'communitating' skills Sheldon. Not overlooking the fact that this is a gardening forum and not on English grammar. Posters often take great liberties with the English language without chastisement from self important little twirps, such as you. Let's take a look at your little work of art. "Don't you know how to construct a sentence properly (The sentence needs a period or a conjunction)(Properly should precede construct, as it is an adverb and sentence a noun. Otherwise, you sound like someone's affected maiden aunt.) You express yourself with baby talk, may as well type goo goo gaa gaa. (This is an event that took place in the past, which requires a past tense: expressed. What did you just do, if not express yourself in baby talk, and this is in reference to what element/s of Dioclese's post?) Dioclese, you should be ashamed of yourself demonstrating so poor a level of communitating skills in a public arena (This is freakin' USENET you idiot. You're lucky not to get flamed;O), ridiculous sentence fragments make you look the buffoon (You didn't build much of a case for your opinion, Shelly. Actually, it looks as if you have indicted yourself.) If you are going continue participating with Newsgroups you will definitely benefit from a remedial writing course. (We would all benefit from a writing course, but of what benefit is it, in this particular news group,except, perhaps, to keep certain self-important, "toffee-nosed" gits away from you?) -- Billy Republican and Democratic "Leadership" Behind Bars http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net Kudos to you, sir. Steve |
How raised is raised
"len gardener" wrote in message ... On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:26:17 -0800, "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote: snipped Thanks again. Steve keep us informed would like to see pics of the finished product. maybe send e/mail for more chat? With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ Went to the next town today to pick up some 8' x 3' x 22 ga. bare steel corrugated drop remnants to make a lean to shade. These rust evenly on purpose giving them the aged look within six months. I got 22 of them for free, and tipped the man $40 to take his SO out to dinner. I told him I would like some more, so I will return there once I have the dimensions, and he will cut the remnants to length. They even loaded them. Steve |
How raised is raised
"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message "Sheldon" wrote in message "Dioclese" wrote: Another case of geographical location specific advice. ?Quite common here. All must read with a grain or more of salt to judge if such advice is appropriate for themselves. Don't you know how to construct a sentence properly, what's with all that broken English gibberish? You express yourself with baby talk, may as well type goo goo gaa gaa. Dioclese, you should be ashamed of yourself demonstrating so poor a level of communitating skills in a public arena, ridiculous sentence fragments make you look the buffoon. If you are going continue participating with Newsgroups you will definitely benefit from a remedial writing course. __________________________________________ Hmmmm. Great 'communitating' skills Sheldon. Funny. I understood him perfectly. Now I'm confused. 'Him' meaning Sheldon or 'him' being Dioclese? And are you addressing Sheldon or Farm1? Does that make me as stupid as you think he is? Everyone thinks Sheldon is slightly doolal. Dunno about Dioclese, but given s/he is posting on usent then s/he has got to be suspect too. Hmmmm. Lemmee see .......... yep, this is a gardening group, and not alt.properEnglish ...... Yebbut my petunias use more proper English than many posters.................... |
How raised is raised
One material I haven't seen recommended is stabilized rammed earth -
not for the OP, but they could presumably hire out the labor. You'd build a simple, low open box (just 4 walls). The advantage you get here is the mass will help warm the bed earlier in spring, stabilize temps in the fall. Stabilized earth is a clay mix with 5-10 percent cement added to it, compressed using simple form works (in Africa, two boards are held together with rope). Pound a "lift" of material 6-8 inches until it rings, repeat until desired height is reached. Cement is bad, but you are not using a lot of it, and it makes it possible to create the raised beds out of normal construction site waste (subsoil). Nothing else needed, will stand up to rain/snow. If you live in a freezing clime, you will need a base of gravel to prevent frost heave. This is a LOT more work than the other suggestions, but I was struck watching a DVD of monks who tended a garden. Their garden had some low, 1-wall beds that warmed early in the season, and they were able to shovel snow off the beds for planting early crops. Really remarkable simplicity. Offered in the name of the radish spirit! |
How raised is raised
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, gonzo wrote: One material I haven't seen recommended is stabilized rammed earth - not for the OP, but they could presumably hire out the labor. You'd build a simple, low open box (just 4 walls). The advantage you get here is the mass will help warm the bed earlier in spring, stabilize temps in the fall. Stabilized earth is a clay mix with 5-10 percent cement added to it, compressed using simple form works (in Africa, two boards are held together with rope). Pound a "lift" of material 6-8 inches until it rings, repeat until desired height is reached. Cement is bad, but you are not using a lot of it, and it makes it possible to create the raised beds out of normal construction site waste (subsoil). Nothing else needed, will stand up to rain/snow. If you live in a freezing clime, you will need a base of gravel to prevent frost heave. This is a LOT more work than the other suggestions, but I was struck watching a DVD of monks who tended a garden. Their garden had some low, 1-wall beds that warmed early in the season, and they were able to shovel snow off the beds for planting early crops. Really remarkable simplicity. Offered in the name of the radish spirit! Taken as a grain of sand. Below longish. http://www.artofeurope.com/blake/bla3.htm Bill feeling Blake like. -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA |
How raised is raised
"Sheldon" wrote in message
... Am sorry to hear of your low comprehension level regarding sentences not constructed to your specifications. Perhaps, if you were genuinely interested in the attempt at communication (purpose), someone else with better sentence construction could pipe in with such a translation. But, its doubtful from where I sit that you are truly interested in that... I did succeed in the communication as per your subsequent weak reply to the essence (commnication substance). That was buried at the bottom of your previous reply. "I happen to know Omelet's location and climate but it's up to her to post any particulars." Again, read my previous reply. If you don't understand it, maybe someone can translate. Pointing out grammatical and spelling errors is quite common when the replier was placed in a position that he/she may be incorrect, and may want to respond in a hateful manner as a result.. So, guess I'll overlook the majority of your response. Have a nice day. -- Dave If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not a cantaloupe. |
How raised is raised
g;day steve,
our plan is to use corrugated to raise our beds even more as we get older, probably initially we will get the lengths cut into 1/2 width, and use 6' galvanised star pickets as supports these pickets then can be used to support tomato's or trellises for beans etc.,. for us those ready made frames mentioned in a link in another post are too expensive. On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:11:27 -0800, "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
How raised is raised
len gardener wrote:
our plan is to use corrugated to raise our beds even more as we get older. You can do that because you live in a semi tropical climate. But thin sheet metal cannot endure the heaving of freezing earth. |
How raised is raised
"len gardener" wrote in message ... g;day steve, our plan is to use corrugated to raise our beds even more as we get older, probably initially we will get the lengths cut into 1/2 width, and use 6' galvanised star pickets as supports these pickets then can be used to support tomato's or trellises for beans etc.,. for us those ready made frames mentioned in a link in another post are too expensive. After unloading the sheets for my shade cover, I have decided that it will do just fine to get about 3' (1 meter in your town) lengths, and then bury them about a foot with dirt tamped around the bottom. 2 x 4 (sorry, don't know the metric for that) tops to protect from the sharp edges, and some brackets to hold the wood together. Easy, cheap, and fast. If they rust out, I'll just do them again, or maybe even do a double layer to start. Steve |
How raised is raised
steve,
for the top edge so no body gets cut you could rune some cheap 1/2" or 3/4" garden hose around and tied with cable ties the hose needs to be cut along the length so it will fit over the edge of the metal. snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
How raised is raised
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"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote: "len gardener" wrote in message ... steve, for the top edge so no body gets cut you could rune some cheap 1/2" or 3/4" garden hose around and tied with cable ties the hose needs to be cut along the length so it will fit over the edge of the metal. I have worse luck with splitting hose than anything else. And I take Coumadin, so I avoid sharp things when I can. Steve Have someone do it for you. You can also get cable covers from radio shack that are essentially the same thing. I had to put them over electrical cords in my house to keep the cockatoo from chewing them, until I built her her aviary. ;-) -- Peace! Om "Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama |
How raised is raised
"len gardener" wrote in message ... steve, for the top edge so no body gets cut you could rune some cheap 1/2" or 3/4" garden hose around and tied with cable ties the hose needs to be cut along the length so it will fit over the edge of the metal. I have worse luck with splitting hose than anything else. And I take Coumadin, so I avoid sharp things when I can. Steve |
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