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If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that
taste unbelievably good) you have to check out: http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm gonna need more land. Steve |
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If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that taste unbelievably good) you have to check out: http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm gonna need more land. Steve Steve, I checked out their web site and they offer four rootstocks of various sizes. What was not clear was the possibility of selecting a particular rootstock with a given variety. There must be a way to do that, but I couldn't figure it out. These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot, and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than Rotenone, say Imidan. Sherwin |
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"sherwin dubren" wrote in message ... Steve Peek wrote: If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that taste unbelievably good) you have to check out: http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm gonna need more land. Steve Steve, I checked out their web site and they offer four rootstocks of various sizes. What was not clear was the possibility of selecting a particular rootstock with a given variety. There must be a way to do that, but I couldn't figure it out. They do offer the option of selecting rootstocks. These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot, and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than Rotenone, say Imidan. Sherwin Some of us do make organic gardening work quite well thank you. |
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"sherwin dubren" wrote in message ... They do offer the option of selecting rootstocks. These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot, and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than Rotenone, say Imidan. Sherwin Guess most folks know about Rotenone and Parkinson¹s ? Bill 1: Neurobiol Dis. 2009 May;34(2):279-90. Links A highly reproducible rotenone model of Parkinson's disease. Cannon JR, Tapias V, Na HM, Honick AS, Drolet RE, Greenamyre JT. Pittsburgh Institute for Neurodegenerative Diseases, Department of Neurology, University of Pittsburgh, PA 15260, USA. The systemic rotenone model of Parkinson's disease (PD) accurately replicates many aspects of the pathology of human PD and has provided insights into the pathogenesis of PD. The major limitation of the rotenone model has been its variability, both in terms of the percentage of animals that develop a clear-cut nigrostriatal lesion and the extent of that lesion. The goal here was to develop an improved and highly reproducible rotenone model of PD. In these studies, male Lewis rats in three age groups (3, 7 or 12-14 months) were administered rotenone (2.75 or 3.0 mg/kg/day) in a specialized vehicle by daily intraperitoneal injection. All rotenone-treated animals developed bradykinesia, postural instability, and/or rigidity, which were reversed by apomorphine, consistent with a lesion of the nigrostriatal dopamine system. Animals were sacrificed when the PD phenotype became debilitating. Rotenone treatment caused a 45% loss of tyrosine hydroxylase-positive substantia nigra neurons and a commensurate loss of striatal dopamine. Additionally, in rotenone-treated animals, alpha-synuclein and poly-ubiquitin positive aggregates were observed in dopamine neurons of the substantia nigra. In summary, this version of the rotenone model is highly reproducible and may provide an excellent tool to test new neuroprotective strategies. PMID: 19385059 [PubMed - in process] Related articles Subcutaneous rotenone exposure causes highly selective dopaminergic degeneration and alpha-synuclein aggregation. Exp Neurol. 2003 Jan; 179(1):9-16. [Exp Neurol. 2003] Melatonin reduces the neuronal loss, downregulation of dopamine transporter, and upregulation of D2 receptor in rotenone-induced parkinsonian rats. J Pineal Res. 2008 Mar; 44(2):205-13. [J Pineal Res. 2008] Neurodegeneration of mouse nigrostriatal dopaminergic system induced by repeated oral administration of rotenone is prevented by 4-phenylbutyrate, a chemical chaperone. J Neurochem. 2007 Jun; 101(6):1491-1504. [J Neurochem. 2007] Review The rotenone model of parkinsonism--the five years inspection. J Neural Transm Suppl. 2006; (70):269-72. [J Neural Transm Suppl. 2006] Review Controversies on new animal models of Parkinson's disease pro and con: the rotenone model of Parkinson's disease (PD). J Neural Transm Suppl. 2006; (70):273-6. [J Neural Transm Suppl. 2006] » See reviews... | » See all... Patient Drug Information Apomorphine (Apokyn® ) Apomorphine is used to treat ''off'' episodes (times of difficulty moving, walking, and speaking that may happen as medication wears off or at random) in patients with Parkinson's disease (PD; a disorder of the nervous s... Source: AHFS Consumer Medication Information Recent Activity -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA Not all who wander are lost. - J.R.R. Tolkien (1892-1973) |
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sherwin dubren wrote: Steve Peek wrote: If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that taste unbelievably good) you have to check out: http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm gonna need more land. Steve Steve, I checked out their web site and they offer four rootstocks of various sizes. What was not clear was the possibility of selecting a particular rootstock with a given variety. There must be a way to do that, but I couldn't figure it out. These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot, and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than Rotenone, say Imidan. Sherwin Shelly and Sherwin-doo, back together again. I thought life was too sweet. Never figured out IPM? Still spraying poisons around to pollute the environment? Imidan 70-W Active Ingredient: Phosmet (70.0%) Chemical Class: Organophosphorous Pesticide ( nerve gas. It may not be toxic to you but their may be pregnancies or small children in your area.)) ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION Summary of Effects Phosmet This pesticide is toxic to fish and wildlife. For terrestrial uses, do not apply directly to water, to areas where surface water is present or to intertidal areas below the mean high water mark. Do not contaminate water by cleaning of equipment or disposal of wastes. Drift and runoff from treated areas may be hazardous to aquatic organisms in adjacent aquatic sites. This product is toxic to bees exposed to direct treatment. Do not apply this product while bees are actively visiting the treatment area. http://www.gowanco.com/ProductInfo~p...an%2070-W.aspx Anyone with apples, may want to look at: Pests of the Garden and Small Farm: A Grower's Guide to Using Less Pesticide, Second edition by Mary Louise Flint http://www.amazon.com/Pests-Garden-S...0520218108/ref =sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241540176&sr=1-1 although it is primarily for orchards in California, or browse the IPM books at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?...pbooks&field-k eywords=Integrated+Pest+Management+for+Apples&x=12 &y=20 and then see if they aren't available from the library. For coddling moth see http://www.gardensalive.com/article....&sid=143411&gc lid=COe1qI_WpZoCFShRagod9RpU9g&bhcd2=1241543555 For Apple Maggot see http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/tree006/tree006.htm Sure, insecticides may be more thorough in eradicating the pest but it poisons the environment, kills off pollinators, kills off fish which may surpress mosquitos, and is a threat to human embryos, and small children. IPM may not eradicate garden and orchard pests, it will make them more manageable, preserve the environment, and give you and your's food free from unnatural chemicals, about which we are still trying to figure out the consequences of our living with them. If you find that insecticides are the only way you have of growing a given crop, you may want to re-think, if that crop is that important to you and the planet. Good going doo. Sorry to see you back. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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In article , sherwin dubren wrote: Steve Peek wrote: If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that taste unbelievably good) you have to check out: http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm gonna need more land. Steve Steve, I checked out their web site and they offer four rootstocks of various sizes. What was not clear was the possibility of selecting a particular rootstock with a given variety. There must be a way to do that, but I couldn't figure it out. These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot, and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than Rotenone, say Imidan. Sherwin Shelly and Sherwin-doo, back together again. I thought life was too sweet. Never figured out IPM? Still spraying poisons around to pollute the environment? Well Billygoat, You are obviously not competent to use these chemicals and should stay away from them for your own health's sake. Hope you enjoy all those apples with the worms inside. Sherwin |
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Billygoat,
By the way, you are probably putting out more pollutants from your automobiles than our occasional spraying. I suggest you lock them in your garage before you kill us all. Sherwin |
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sherwin dubren wrote: Billygoat, By the way, you are probably putting out more pollutants from your automobiles than our occasional spraying. I suggest you lock them in your garage before you kill us all. Sherwin Doo head, all I'm asking is that when you recommend a chemical that you list the downside of that chemical. The is no probably in extremely toxic to birds and fish. But you are the doo man, and you doo, that doo-doo, that you doo so well. Aw, you went and made me Gruff again. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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In article , sherwin dubren wrote: Billygoat, By the way, you are probably putting out more pollutants from your automobiles than our occasional spraying. I suggest you lock them in your garage before you kill us all. Sherwin Doo head, all I'm asking is that when you recommend a chemical that you list the downside of that chemical. The is no probably in extremely toxic to birds and fish. But you are the doo man, and you doo, that doo-doo, that you doo so well. Aw, you went and made me Gruff again. I suggest you see a neurologist to treat your 'do do' problem. Also, what do you want me to say? Sure, drinking these chemicals is not recommended. Wearing protective breathing and clothing is. Also, if you dump your excess chemicals in a water run off, or some lake it would do damage. Proper handling and disposal is the order of the day. If you are addressing your concerns to the backyard orchardist who probably has about a dozen or so trees, I see no great effect on the environment. Are you aware that many of these chemicals break down and are burn't off in the sun? Imidan is one of them. Sevin, on the other hand, lingers on for some time, so I don't use it. One jet plane taking off probably spews more polution to the environment than dozens, if not hundreds of hobby orchardists. If you want to go after the commercial orchards, most of them take proper precautions. Since their use of chemicals is on a much larger scale, their effect could be significant, if the chemicals are not handled and disposed of properly. You have to get the public and backyard orchardists to give up clean unattacked fruit. I know certain varieties can be grown organically, but they usually are not the best tasting ones. Sherwin |
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sherwin dubren wrote: Billy wrote: In article , sherwin dubren wrote: Billygoat, By the way, you are probably putting out more pollutants from your automobiles than our occasional spraying. I suggest you lock them in your garage before you kill us all. Sherwin Doo head, all I'm asking is that when you recommend a chemical that you list the downside of that chemical. The is no probably in extremely toxic to birds and fish. But you are the doo man, and you doo, that doo-doo, that you doo so well. Aw, you went and made me Gruff again. I suggest you see a neurologist to treat your 'do do' problem. Also, what do you want me to say? Sure, drinking these chemicals is not recommended. Wearing protective breathing and clothing is. Also, if you dump your excess chemicals in a water run off, or some lake it would do damage. Proper handling and disposal is the order of the day. If you are addressing your concerns to the backyard orchardist who probably has about a dozen or so trees, I see no great effect on the environment. Are you aware that many of these chemicals break down and are burn't off in the sun? Imidan is one of them. Sevin, on the other hand, lingers on for some time, so I don't use it. One jet plane taking off probably spews more polution to the environment than dozens, if not hundreds of hobby orchardists. If you want to go after the commercial orchards, most of them take proper precautions. Since their use of chemicals is on a much larger scale, their effect could be significant, if the chemicals are not handled and disposed of properly. You have to get the public and backyard orchardists to give up clean unattacked fruit. I know certain varieties can be grown organically, but they usually are not the best tasting ones. Sherwin So, since the water is polluted, your going to **** in it too? Try learning a little more about IPM, or do you wipe down your counter tops with Lysol too? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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Rick wrote: Oh- I use Lysol too. -Rick Why ? We live in a world of microbes killing a few million won't matter. Much better to coexist and enjoy real cheese then to think sterility is the way to live. Consider asthma and the problem that occur when the immune system is not challenged. Bill who appreciates Billy's rants. Truth is not always pleasant. ............ 1: Allergy. 2009 May;64(5):678-701. Links Scientific rationale for the Finnish Allergy Programme 2008-2018: emphasis on prevention and endorsing tolerance. von Hertzen LC, Savolainen J, Hannuksela M, Klaukka T, Lauerma A, Makela MJ, Pekkanen J, Pietinalho A, Vaarala O, Valovirta E, Vartiainen E, Haahtela T. Skin and Allergy Hospital, Helsinki University Central Hospital, Helsinki, Finland. In similarity to many other western countries, the burden of allergic diseases in Finland is high. Studies worldwide have shown that an environment rich in microbes in early life reduces the subsequent risk of developing allergic diseases. Along with urbanization, such exposure has dramatically reduced, both in terms of diversity and quantity. Continuous stimulation of the immune system by environmental saprophytes via the skin, respiratory tract and gut appears to be necessary for activation of the regulatory network including regulatory T-cells and dendritic cells. Substantial evidence now shows that the balance between allergy and tolerance is dependent on regulatory T-cells. Tolerance induced by allergen-specific regulatory T-cells appears to be the normal immunological response to allergens in non atopic healthy individuals. Healthy subjects have an intact functional allergen-specific regulatory T-cell response, which in allergic subjects is impaired. Evidence on this exists with respect to atopic dermatitis, contact dermatitis, allergic rhinitis and asthma. Restoration of impaired allergen-specific regulatory T-cell response and tolerance induction has furthermore been demonstrated during allergen-specific subcutaneous and sublingual immunotherapy and is crucial for good therapeutic outcome. However, tolerance can also be strengthened unspecifically by simple means, e.g. by consuming farm milk and spending time in nature. Results so far obtained from animal models indicate that it is possible to restore tolerance by administering the allergen in certain circumstances both locally and systemically. It has become increasingly clear that continuous exposure to microbial antigens as well as allergens in foodstuffs and the environment is decisive, and excessive antigen avoidance can be harmful and weaken or even prevent the development of regulatory mechanisms. Success in the Finnish Asthma Programme was an encouraging example of how it is possible to reduce both the costs and morbidity of asthma. The time, in the wake of the Asthma Programme, is now opportune for a national allergy programme, particularly as in the past few years, fundamentally more essential data on tolerance and its mechanisms have been published. In this review, the scientific rationale for the Finnish Allergy Programme 2008-2018 is outlined. The focus is on tolerance and how to endorse tolerance at the population level. PMID: 19383025 [PubMed - in process] -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA Not all who wander are lost. - J.R.R. Tolkien (1892-1973) |
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You seem to want a response, so your wish is granted. Rick wrote: Evangelical christians serve only to convince me there is no god. Likewise, your viewpoint is not balanced, or based on sound science, but rather on the faith that you have discovered the "one true way". You know how I play this, if you make an assertion, you back it up with a citation: citation please. In your world all non-believers are to be publicly chastised and put down by you and the other members of your little mutual masturbation society that has recently infested these groups. Invective and ad hominem, do you have something to say? Many long time members have left, and you are one of the reasons. Your messages usually lack informative content, and serve to drive people away from organic approaches. I consider you at best a pest and at worst a thinly disguised troll on these groups. And your judgement is worth, what? How do you evaluate my lack of information, by the citations that I make, and are so glaringly absent in your little rant? I only saw this because Sherwin has given helpful advice in the past, and I tend to read his posts. I saw he was tangling with you again. I'd hate to have a gomer like you drive a valuable poster like him off the group, especially one that lacks helpful constructive content in his posts. Coloribus gustibus non disputatum It will probably surprise you to learn that I am a fan of organic food production. I make part of what I consider a pretty good living producing organic crops. I also produce hydroponic tomatoes, which are not organic. Yes we have tested and continue to experiment with organic hydroponics, but despite what you may have read, there are some very real problems that can cause devastating crop losses. Not so good when your living is on the line. Real shame that you can't share these problems with us. Are they on a need to know basis? I also raise beef. My own beef is grass fed, but not organic. After it leaves me, it gets fattened in feedlots with all the attending problems of antibiotic overuse etc. I would love people to buy my 2-3 year old cattle at $5-10 a lb on the hoof (some do), but rounding up 1,000s of customers is not going to happen soon. So they get the less tasty 6 month old feedlot beef they can afford. Hey, I thought we were here to talk about ME! Since this could all be made-up, here on the internet, why don't you cut to the chase? Then there is the Roundup ready soybeans and corn I grow. Yes! the dreaded Monsanto greedmeister killers of the earth. And they've found that they don't produce a larger crop than normal soybeans. ----- But the Union of Concerned Scientists disputed the claims of increased production in the "Failure to Yield" report. "Clearly the industry has been trying as long as it has existed to improve yields, but the record is extremely meager," Doug Gurian-Sherman, senior scientist at UCS and author of the report, told the Cleantech Group."Going forward, we need to be careful about putting too many eggs in the basket of genetic engineering." The report looks at the two most popular GM uses: herbicide-resistant corn and soybeans, and pest-resistant corn. The report showed that the use of herbicide-tolerant corn and soybeans have had no effect on actual per-acre yields. http://cleantech.com/news/4364/doubl...netically-modi ----- God, you must feel quite the fool. All the GMO crops have done for you is to let you pay for the right to pour more Roundup on the ground. Hey, way to go guy. When the scientists that invented these GM products go to sleep, perhaps they dream of the millions of lives they have saved. From my perspective, I save on diesel (big time) and many tons of topsoil because of the greatly reduced cultivation requirements. Uh, you ain't so slick, if you hadn't noticed that as your topsoil blows and trickles away, you've been having to use more and more chemferts. But hey, this is UseNet, you could be a bored student in a computer lab somewhere. I know you hate the fact they patented their products, but I am not a communist and no one is forced to buy their products. They do it because they are better and cheaper to grow. Not according to the Union of Concerned Scientists, but you probably know more than they do, not. Oh- I use Lysol too. Oh, I saw that one coming in. -Rick -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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Steve Peek wrote: If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that taste unbelievably good) you have to check out: http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm gonna need more land. Steve Steve, I checked out their web site and they offer four rootstocks of various sizes. What was not clear was the possibility of selecting a particular rootstock with a given variety. There must be a way to do that, but I couldn't figure it out. These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot, and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than Rotenone, say Imidan. Sherwin It is interesting that someone in this group has the power to remove postings they find offensive. The entire discussion on Heirloom Apples quoted above has vanished. It includes a defense my position. Nothing like a little censorship. Sherwin |
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"sherwin dubren" wrote in message ... sherwin dubren wrote: Steve Peek wrote: If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that taste unbelievably good) you have to check out: http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm gonna need more land. Steve Steve, I checked out their web site and they offer four rootstocks of various sizes. What was not clear was the possibility of selecting a particular rootstock with a given variety. There must be a way to do that, but I couldn't figure it out. These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot, and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than Rotenone, say Imidan. Sherwin It is interesting that someone in this group has the power to remove postings they find offensive. The entire discussion on Heirloom Apples quoted above has vanished. It includes a defense my position. Nothing like a little censorship. Sherwin I still have the entire discussion. Steve |
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wrote: sherwin dubren wrote: Steve Peek wrote: If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that taste unbelievably good) you have to check out: http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm gonna need more land. Steve Steve, I checked out their web site and they offer four rootstocks of various sizes. What was not clear was the possibility of selecting a particular rootstock with a given variety. There must be a way to do that, but I couldn't figure it out. These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot, and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than Rotenone, say Imidan. Sherwin It is interesting that someone in this group has the power to remove postings they find offensive. The entire discussion on Heirloom Apples quoted above has vanished. It includes a defense my position. Nothing like a little censorship. Sherwin All of the messages show up on Google Groups. Other people cannot remove you messages. It is almost impossible to remove all copies of your own messages even when you send a rescind message immediately. One person, Steve (I think) has his messages marked "do not archive" but they still show up on Google for 10 days. -- Susan N. "Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral, 48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy." Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974) |
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phorbin wrote: In article , says... I still have the entire discussion. Steve Nothing further has appeared here. I still have the entire discussion too. Mt-newswatcher. Bill -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA Not all who wander are lost. - J.R.R. Tolkien (1892-1973) |
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phorbin wrote: In article , says... It is interesting that someone in this group has the power to remove postings they find offensive. The entire discussion on Heirloom Apples quoted above has vanished. It includes a defense my position. Nothing like a little censorship. Let me see... I doubt if any of the usual participants in this newsgroup would want to censor the thread. While I disagree with you categorically and think there is no reasonable defense of using pesticides or herbicides, you have the right to say your piece, as do we all. The issues matter too much to silence the opposition. There's at least 1 corporate entity cum 2 trick pony that might monitor for certain carefully picked hot-button (but true) key words and phrases and either complain or cancel. I know that if I were them, I would and that all the gardening newsgroups would be reasonable targets to monitor. If it is censorship, I think, you can guess what words set off the alarm and who might be being censored... (Then again, it could just be that Motzarella.org server has a short latency period or you inadvertantly deleted the thread from your newsreader.) I'll note that the opposite poles I mentioned use similar methodologies to inspire fear, silence dissent and make bad publicity or bad public go away. IMO, the difference between money and a gun is that a gun kills more quickly. We can decide what to believe based on whatever makes us comfortable. Since there is more money in selling chemicals than an organic approach, you wouldn't think that Dr. Doo (childish, I know) would be censored. He be their boy. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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says... In article , phorbin wrote: In article , says... I still have the entire discussion. Steve Nothing further has appeared here. I still have the entire discussion too. Mt-newswatcher. Bill Me too. It's sitting on my hard drive, having been downloaded in its entirety up to this point. The article Sherwin referred to hasn't made it here. ...which can be chalked up to the vagaries of USENET or something more sinister depending on one's preferences. |
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sherwin dubren wrote: Billy wrote: In article , sherwin dubren wrote: Billygoat, By the way, you are probably putting out more pollutants from your automobiles than our occasional spraying. I suggest you lock them in your garage before you kill us all. Sherwin Doo head, all I'm asking is that when you recommend a chemical that you list the downside of that chemical. The is no probably in extremely toxic to birds and fish. But you are the doo man, and you doo, that doo-doo, that you doo so well. Aw, you went and made me Gruff again. I suggest you see a neurologist to treat your 'do do' problem. I should probably see a proctologist to have a contract taken out on you. Also, what do you want me to say? Sure, drinking these chemicals is not recommended. Wearing protective breathing and clothing is. Also, if you dump your excess chemicals in a water run off, or some lake it would do damage. Proper handling and disposal is the order of the day. If you are addressing your concerns to the backyard orchardist who probably has about a dozen or so trees, I see no great effect on the environment. Are you aware that many of these chemicals break down and are burn't off in the sun? Imidan is one of them. Sevin, on the other hand, lingers on for some time, so I don't use it. One jet plane taking off probably spews more polution to the environment than dozens, if not hundreds of hobby orchardists. If you want to go after the commercial orchards, most of them take proper precautions. Since their use of chemicals is on a much larger scale, their effect could be significant, if the chemicals are not handled and disposed of properly. You have to get the public and backyard orchardists to give up clean unattacked fruit. The point is that they aren't clean and the environment is polluted in the process. Again, you don't quantify or qualify your response. All you give us is probably . . . I know certain varieties can be grown organically, but they usually are not the best tasting ones. Can you name them, or do you just like the taste of pesticides? Sherwin -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7843430.stm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go |
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sherwin dubren wrote: Billy wrote: In article , sherwin dubren wrote: Steve Peek wrote: If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that taste unbelievably good) you have to check out: http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm gonna need more land. Steve Steve, I checked out their web site and they offer four rootstocks of various sizes. What was not clear was the possibility of selecting a particular rootstock with a given variety. There must be a way to do that, but I couldn't figure it out. These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot, and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than Rotenone, say Imidan. Sherwin Shelly and Sherwin-doo, back together again. I thought life was too sweet. Never figured out IPM? Still spraying poisons around to pollute the environment? Well Billygoat, You are obviously not competent to use these chemicals and should stay away from them for your own health's sake. Hope you enjoy all those apples with the worms inside. Sherwin Insightful into the depths of your ignorance and stupidity. In your drooling sarcasm, you didn't respond to: Imidan 70-W Active Ingredient: Phosmet (70.0%) Chemical Class: Organophosphorous Pesticide ( nerve gas. It may not be toxic to you but their may be pregnancies or small children in your area.)) ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION Summary of Effects Phosmet This pesticide is toxic to fish and wildlife. For terrestrial uses, do not apply directly to water, to areas where surface water is present or to intertidal areas below the mean high water mark. Do not contaminate water by cleaning of equipment or disposal of wastes. Drift and runoff from treated areas may be hazardous to aquatic organisms in adjacent aquatic sites. This product is toxic to bees exposed to direct treatment. Do not apply this product while bees are actively visiting the treatment area. http://www.gowanco.com/ProductInfo~p...an%2070-W.aspx Anyone with apples, may want to look at: Pests of the Garden and Small Farm: A Grower's Guide to Using Less Pesticide, Second edition by Mary Louise Flint http://www.amazon.com/Pests-Garden-S...0520218108/ref =sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241540176&sr=1-1 although it is primarily for orchards in California, or browse the IPM books at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?...pbooks&field-k eywords=Integrated+Pest+Management+for+Apples&x=12 &y=20 and then see if they aren't available from the library. For coddling moth see http://www.gardensalive.com/article....&sid=143411&gc lid=COe1qI_WpZoCFShRagod9RpU9g&bhcd2=1241543555 For Apple Maggot see http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/tree006/tree006.htm Sure, insecticides may be more thorough in eradicating the pest but it poisons the environment, kills off pollinators, kills off fish which may surpress mosquitos, and is a threat to human embryos, and small children. IPM may not eradicate garden and orchard pests, it will make them more manageable, preserve the environment, and give you and your's food free from unnatural chemicals, about which we are still trying to figure out the consequences of our living with them. If you find that insecticides are the only way you have of growing a given crop, you may want to re-think, if that crop is that important to you and the planet. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7843430.stm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go |
Heirloom Apples
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sherwin dubren wrote: sherwin dubren wrote: Steve Peek wrote: If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that taste unbelievably good) you have to check out: http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm gonna need more land. Steve Steve, I checked out their web site and they offer four rootstocks of various sizes. What was not clear was the possibility of selecting a particular rootstock with a given variety. There must be a way to do that, but I couldn't figure it out. These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot, and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than Rotenone, say Imidan. Sherwin It is interesting that someone in this group has the power to remove postings they find offensive. The entire discussion on Heirloom Apples quoted above has vanished. It includes a defense my position. Nothing like a little censorship. Sherwin IIRC paranoia is a side effect of insecticide poisoning. Huffing the lindane again, Doo? http://chm.pops.int/Convention/Press...009/tabid/542/ language/en-US/Default.aspx Governments unite to step-up reduction on global DDT reliance and add nine new chemicals under international treaty Geneva, 8 May 2009 Nine persistent organic pollutants (POPs) were listed today under the Stockholm Convention. Over 160 Governments have just concluded a one-week conference with practical decisions that will strengthen a global effort to eradicate some of the most toxic chemicals known to humankind. The Conference of the Parties (COP) has marked a historic week for the Stockholm Convention. For the first time, the Convention was amended to include nine new chemicals. Many of these are still widely used today as pesticides, flame retardants and in a number of other commercial uses. ³This meeting in Geneva has culminated in a momentous day for the Stockholm Convention. Its significance cannot be under-estimated. We now have a clear signal that Governments around the world take seriously the risks posed by such toxic chemicals. The tremendous impact of these substances on human health and the environment has been acknowledged today by adding nine new chemicals to the Convention. This shift reflects international concern on the need to reduce and eventually eliminate such substances throughout the global community,² said UN Under-Secretary General and UNEP Executive, Achim Steiner. (cut) The Stockholm Convention targets certain hazardous pesticides and industrial chemicals that can kill people, damage the nervous and immune systems, cause cancer and reproductive disorders and interfere with normal infant and child development. The nine new chemicals now listed under the Stockholm Convention a Alpha hexachlorocyclohexane to Annex A; Beta hexachlorocyclohexane to Annex A; Although the intentional use of alpha- and beta-HCH as an insecticide was phased out years ago, these chemicals are still produced as an unintentional by-product of lindane. Approximately 6-10 tons of other isomers including alpha- and beta-HCH result from each ton of lindane produced. Hexabromodiphenyl ether and heptabromodiphenyl ether to Annex A; Tetrabromodiphenyl ether and pentabromodiphenyl ether to Annex A; Bromodiphenyl ether congeners are a group of brominated organic substances that inhibit or suppress combustion in organic material, which are used as additive flame retardants. Brominated diphenyl ethers are mainly manufactured as commercial mixtures where several isomers, congeners and small amounts of other substances occur. Chlordecone to Annex A; Chlordecone is a synthetic chlorinated organic compound, which was mainly used as an agricultural pesticide. It was first produced in 1951 and introduced commercially in 1958. Current use or production of the chemical is not reported. Hexabromobiphenyl to Annex A; Hexabromobiphenyl (HBB) is an industrial chemical that was used as a flame retardant, mainly in the 1970s. Based on existing data, HBB is no longer produced and is not used in new or existing products. Lindane to Annex A; Lindane was used as a broad-spectrum insecticide for seed and soil treatment, foliar applications, tree and wood treatment and against ectoparasites in both veterinary and human treatments. Lindane production has decreased rapidly in recent years and only a few countries still produce it. Pentachlorobenzene to Annex A and C; Pentachlorobenzene (PeCB) was used in PCB products, dyestuff carriers, as a fungicide, a flame retardant and a chemical intermediate such as the production of quintozene and it may still be used for this purpose. PeCB is also produced unintentionally during combustion in thermal and industrial processes. It appears as an impurity in products such as solvents or pesticides. Perfluorooctane sulfonic acid, its salts and perfluorooctane sulfonyl fluoride to Annex A or B; PFOS is both intentionally produced and an unintended degradation product of related anthropogenic chemicals. The current intentional use of PFOS is widespread and found in products such as in electric and electronic parts, fire fighting foam, photo imaging, hydraulic fluids and textiles. PFOS are still produced in several countries today. The 12 initial POPs covered by the Convention include nine pesticides (aldrin, chlordane, DDT, dieldrin, endrin, heptachlor, hexachlorobenzene, mirex and toxaphene); two industrial chemicals (PCBs as well as hexachlorobenzene, also used as a pesticide); and the unintentional by-products, most importantly dioxins and furans. Further information is available at http://www.pops.int or by emailing -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7843430.stm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go |
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phorbin wrote: In article wildbilly-C52A12.07302510052009@c-61-68-245- 199.per.connect.net.au, says... We can decide what to believe based on whatever makes us comfortable. Since there is more money in selling chemicals than an organic approach, you wouldn't think that Dr. Doo (childish, I know) would be censored. He be their boy. I figure the real answer is straight-forward, simple and easy. Messages go missing all the time. Everything from a keyboard slip through black hole could account for this.. That said: A blanket cancel would be more ambiguous than a specific one. One could easily hide behind the ambiguity. But since everybody has the thread, 'cept doo, it would appear to be his screw-up (at least it pleases me to think so ;O) -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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In article wildbilly-C52A12.07302510052009@c-61-68-245-
199.per.connect.net.au, says... We can decide what to believe based on whatever makes us comfortable. Since there is more money in selling chemicals than an organic approach, you wouldn't think that Dr. Doo (childish, I know) would be censored. He be their boy. I figure the real answer is straight-forward, simple and easy. Messages go missing all the time. Everything from a keyboard slip through black hole could account for this.. That said: A blanket cancel would be more ambiguous than a specific one. One could easily hide behind the ambiguity. |
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"Steve Peek" wrote in message news:-
"sherwin dubren" wrote in message sherwin dubren wrote: Steve Peek wrote: It is interesting that someone in this group has the power to remove postings they find offensive. The entire discussion on Heirloom Apples quoted above has vanished. It includes a defense my position. Nothing like a little censorship. Sherwin I still have the entire discussion. Steve I do too. |
Noted that last comment and suggest a good book by Matthew Biggs on this subject. I believe he's website has details regarding the veg book. http://www.matthewbiggs.com
Helped me a lot. A |
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Wild Billy wrote:
You have to get the public and backyard orchardists to give up clean unattacked fruit. The point is that they aren't clean and the environment is polluted in the process. Again, you don't quantify or qualify your response. All you give us is probably . . . Let me say that even some of the stronger chemicals, like Imidan are burned off by sunlight after a week, or so. Nevertheless, I wash off all the fruit I pick with soap. Those who are super concerned have the option of peeling their fruit, since most of the chemicals do not penetrate the skin of the fruit. I know certain varieties can be grown organically, but they usually are not the best tasting ones. Can you name them, or do you just like the taste of pesticides? I grow one of them, Williams Pride, a disease resistant apple from Purdue U. There are others, like Pristine, etc. I tolerate my Williams Pride because it is one of my few early rippening apples, and the flavor is not too bad. The apples I really treasure are not disease resistant, such as Honey Crisp, Golden Russet, Spigold, etc. I have tried organic sprays and some of the milder orchard sprays and got a lot of attacked apples. I bet you never heard of some of these varieties, so you probably don't know what you are missing. By the way, don't you think you can cut out this juvenile 'doo' naming? Sherwin |
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Wild Billy wrote:
Insightful into the depths of your ignorance and stupidity. In your drooling sarcasm, you didn't respond to: Imidan 70-W Active Ingredient: Phosmet (70.0%) Chemical Class: Organophosphorous Pesticide ( nerve gas. It may not be toxic to you but their may be pregnancies or small children in your area.)) I don't spray if there are windy conditions or people. ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION Summary of Effects Phosmet This pesticide is toxic to fish and wildlife. For terrestrial uses, do not apply directly to water, to areas where surface water is present or to intertidal areas below the mean high water mark. Do not contaminate water by cleaning of equipment or disposal of wastes. Drift and runoff from treated areas may be hazardous to aquatic organisms in adjacent aquatic sites. This product is toxic to bees exposed to direct treatment. Do not apply this product while bees are actively visiting the treatment area. http://www.gowanco.com/ProductInfo~p...an%2070-W.aspx Why don't you look up Rotenone. A spray classified as organic since it is extracted from plants. There are findings now that it attacks the human nervous system causing all kinds of problems like Parkinson's disease. Anyone with apples, may want to look at: Pests of the Garden and Small Farm: A Grower's Guide to Using Less Pesticide, Second edition by Mary Louise FlintGarden-Small-Farm-Pesticide/dp/0520218108/ref http://www.amazon.com/Pests- =sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241540176&sr=1-1 although it is primarily for orchards in California, Many parts of California are not plagued by Codling Moths or Apple Maggot. or browse the IPM books at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?...pbooks&field-k eywords=Integrated+Pest+Management+for+Apples&x=12 &y=20 and then see if they aren't available from the library. For coddling moth see http://www.gardensalive.com/article....&sid=143411&gc lid=COe1qI_WpZoCFShRagod9RpU9g&bhcd2=1241543555 The pests around me just laugh at Surround. It washes off with the first rains, and clogs up your sprayers. For Apple Maggot see http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/tree006/tree006.htm If you look at the PDF file in this reference, they talk about quarantine of apple maggot areas and disposing of any fruit harboring the apple maggot. Not a solution for me. Sure, insecticides may be more thorough in eradicating the pest but it poisons the environment, kills off pollinators, Anybody who knows anything about spraying knows you don't spray until after petal fall of the blossoms. Without pollen, the insects should not be around. kills off fish You don't dump your chemicals into the sanitation system or a river. which may surpress mosquitos, and is a threat to human embryos, and small children. IPM may not eradicate garden and orchard pests, it will make them more manageable, preserve the environment, and give you and your's food free from unnatural chemicals, about which we are still trying to figure out the consequences of our living with them. If you find that insecticides are the only way you have of growing a given crop, you may want to re-think, if that crop is that important to you and the planet. In my case, I feel that proper usage of these chemicals will have a negligible effect on the environment. Automobiles, planes, power plants, etc. far out shadow anything I do in my backyard. If you have never tasted a quality apple from the tree, you probably don't know what you are missing. Sherwin |
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"sherwin dubren" wrote in message
In my case, I feel that proper usage of these chemicals will have a negligible effect on the environment. Automobiles, planes, power plants, etc. far out shadow anything I do in my backyard. If you have never tasted a quality apple from the tree, you probably don't know what you are missing. If you are implying that unless sprays are used it is not possible to harvest quality apples then you are wrong. Our apples were superb this year and not one drop of spray was used and we harvested from 4 apple trees. Our other apple trees are still too small to be producing yet. |
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FarmI wrote:
"sherwin dubren" wrote in message In my case, I feel that proper usage of these chemicals will have a negligible effect on the environment. Automobiles, planes, power plants, etc. far out shadow anything I do in my backyard. If you have never tasted a quality apple from the tree, you probably don't know what you are missing. If you are implying that unless sprays are used it is not possible to harvest quality apples then you are wrong. Our apples were superb this year and not one drop of spray was used and we harvested from 4 apple trees. Our other apple trees are still too small to be producing yet. Can you define quality? Red Delicious can be clean, shinny, and red, but is the last apple I would buy or grow. You don't mention which varieties you are growing. You also don't mention where you live. This can make a difference. This discussion started with Heirloom Apples, most of which need spraying to keep them clean. Sherwin |
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sherwin dubren wrote: FarmI wrote: "sherwin dubren" wrote in message In my case, I feel that proper usage of these chemicals will have a negligible effect on the environment. Automobiles, planes, power plants, etc. far out shadow anything I do in my backyard. If you have never tasted a quality apple from the tree, you probably don't know what you are missing. If you are implying that unless sprays are used it is not possible to harvest quality apples then you are wrong. Our apples were superb this year and not one drop of spray was used and we harvested from 4 apple trees. Our other apple trees are still too small to be producing yet. Can you define quality? We used to have another poster who liked to define words. Can you define symplastless? Red Delicious can be clean, shinny, and red, but is the last apple I would buy or grow. And this adds to the dialog, how? Nothing was said about Red Delicious apples. You don't mention which varieties you are growing. Ibid You also don't mention where you live. This can make a difference. Speaks volumes to you powers of observation, Doo. Fran has been posting here for years and anyone with a pulse knows she is from Australia. This discussion started with Heirloom Apples, most of which need spraying to keep them clean. Brilliant, spray pollution on your apples to keep them clean. And you know it's true because you can trust Mon$anto to protect your health and the environment. Right, Doo? http://www.naturalnews.com/023254.html Mon$anto: History of Contamination and Cover-up Sherwin -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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"sherwin dubren" wrote in message
FarmI wrote: "sherwin dubren" wrote in message In my case, I feel that proper usage of these chemicals will have a negligible effect on the environment. Automobiles, planes, power plants, etc. far out shadow anything I do in my backyard. If you have never tasted a quality apple from the tree, you probably don't know what you are missing. If you are implying that unless sprays are used it is not possible to harvest quality apples then you are wrong. Our apples were superb this year and not one drop of spray was used and we harvested from 4 apple trees. Our other apple trees are still too small to be producing yet. Can you define quality? Looks good, has superb flavour, keeps well and keeps a great flavour right through to the final apple. Red Delicious can be clean, shinny, and red, but is the last apple I would buy or grow. That is a personal preference. I'm sure some people love Red Delicious so that apple would fit their criteria of being a good apple. I don't like Red Delicious either, but then I've only ever eaten commercially produced ones. Home grown ones may be very different. You don't mention which varieties you are growing. You also don't mention where you live. This can make a difference. This discussion started with Heirloom Apples, most of which need spraying to keep them clean. Beauty of Bath, Lord Lambourne, Cox's Orange Pippin, Worchester Pearmain, Laxton Superb, Bramley Seedling, Fuji, Red Gauntlet. I live in Australia. If you anything about apples, then you should recognise that the list I gave of what we have is chock full of heritage/heirloom apples. And certainly location MAY indeed be a factor is growing apples that you call "clean". But that is not what you originally wrote. I grow apples that are not sprayed at all, ever. It is possible to grow good apples without spraying. |
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FarmI wrote:
"sherwin dubren" wrote in message FarmI wrote: "sherwin dubren" wrote in message In my case, I feel that proper usage of these chemicals will have a negligible effect on the environment. Automobiles, planes, power plants, etc. far out shadow anything I do in my backyard. If you have never tasted a quality apple from the tree, you probably don't know what you are missing. If you are implying that unless sprays are used it is not possible to harvest quality apples then you are wrong. Our apples were superb this year and not one drop of spray was used and we harvested from 4 apple trees. Our other apple trees are still too small to be producing yet. Can you define quality? Looks good, has superb flavour, keeps well and keeps a great flavour right through to the final apple. Red Delicious can be clean, shinny, and red, but is the last apple I would buy or grow. That is a personal preference. I'm sure some people love Red Delicious so that apple would fit their criteria of being a good apple. I don't like Red Delicious either, but then I've only ever eaten commercially produced ones. Home grown ones may be very different. You don't mention which varieties you are growing. You also don't mention where you live. This can make a difference. This discussion started with Heirloom Apples, most of which need spraying to keep them clean. Beauty of Bath, Lord Lambourne, Cox's Orange Pippin, Worchester Pearmain, Laxton Superb, Bramley Seedling, Fuji, Red Gauntlet. I live in Australia. If you anything about apples, then you should recognise that the list I gave of what we have is chock full of heritage/heirloom apples. And certainly location MAY indeed be a factor is growing apples that you call "clean". But that is not what you originally wrote. I grow apples that are not sprayed at all, ever. It is possible to grow good apples without spraying. I recognize the names of most of the apples you grow. In fact I grew the Cox apple in my backyard. I guess the "nasties" have not made it down under. In fact, your government is trying to limit the importation of USA apples because of several pests. See the following web site: http://www.daff.gov.au/__data/assets...-pear-aust.pdf Here in the central USA, when I stopped spraying my Cox apples, the bugs had a feast. The way things are spreading around the world, it won't be long before they start paying you a visit. Sherwin |
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"sherwin dubren" wrote in message
FarmI wrote: "sherwin dubren" wrote in message FarmI wrote: "sherwin dubren" wrote in message In my case, I feel that proper usage of these chemicals will have a negligible effect on the environment. Automobiles, planes, power plants, etc. far out shadow anything I do in my backyard. If you have never tasted a quality apple from the tree, you probably don't know what you are missing. If you are implying that unless sprays are used it is not possible to harvest quality apples then you are wrong. Our apples were superb this year and not one drop of spray was used and we harvested from 4 apple trees. Our other apple trees are still too small to be producing yet. Can you define quality? Looks good, has superb flavour, keeps well and keeps a great flavour right through to the final apple. Red Delicious can be clean, shinny, and red, but is the last apple I would buy or grow. That is a personal preference. I'm sure some people love Red Delicious so that apple would fit their criteria of being a good apple. I don't like Red Delicious either, but then I've only ever eaten commercially produced ones. Home grown ones may be very different. You don't mention which varieties you are growing. You also don't mention where you live. This can make a difference. This discussion started with Heirloom Apples, most of which need spraying to keep them clean. Beauty of Bath, Lord Lambourne, Cox's Orange Pippin, Worchester Pearmain, Laxton Superb, Bramley Seedling, Fuji, Red Gauntlet. I live in Australia. If you anything about apples, then you should recognise that the list I gave of what we have is chock full of heritage/heirloom apples. And certainly location MAY indeed be a factor is growing apples that you call "clean". But that is not what you originally wrote. I grow apples that are not sprayed at all, ever. It is possible to grow good apples without spraying. I recognize the names of most of the apples you grow. In fact I grew the Cox apple in my backyard. I guess the "nasties" have not made it down under. Depends on what you define as nasties. Fruit Fly and codling moth are probably the worst but we dont' have any on our farm and I'm assiduous in making sure none arrives here either. In fact, your government is trying to limit the importation of USA apples because of several pests. See the following web site: http://www.daff.gov.au/__data/assets...-pear-aust.pdf Fire Blight is the real worry. We don't have that here. Here in the central USA, when I stopped spraying my Cox apples, the bugs had a feast. The way things are spreading around the world, it won't be long before they start paying you a visit. That is why there are huge screams here everytime there is a threat to our biosecurity. That is why the recent Free Trade agreement made beteween the US and Australia caused conniption fits here. |
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FarmI wrote:
That is why there are huge screams here everytime there is a threat to our biosecurity. That is why the recent Free Trade agreement made beteween the US and Australia caused conniption fits here. Australia seems like an interesting place to visit, but I am not going to move my orchard there. Sherwin |
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sherwin dubren wrote: FarmI wrote: That is why there are huge screams here everytime there is a threat to our biosecurity. That is why the recent Free Trade agreement made beteween the US and Australia caused conniption fits here. Australia seems like an interesting place to visit, but I am not going to move my orchard there. Sherwin Earth to Doo. Earth to Doo. Hello! No one thought you were going to move your orchard to Australia, repeat "no one". Can you please stop embarrassing us? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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Billy wrote:
In article , sherwin dubren wrote: FarmI wrote: That is why there are huge screams here everytime there is a threat to our biosecurity. That is why the recent Free Trade agreement made beteween the US and Australia caused conniption fits here. Australia seems like an interesting place to visit, but I am not going to move my orchard there. Sherwin Earth to Doo. Earth to Doo. Hello! No one thought you were going to move your orchard to Australia, repeat "no one". Can you please stop embarrassing us? BillyGoat, You miss the whole point of this thread. The original sender did not specify where he lived, and Australia would not have been my first guess. When someone claims results for orchard maintenance, they are meaningless in this case where the pests in question are not a problem. Does that penetrate your thick skull? Sherwin |
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sherwin dubren wrote: Billy wrote: In article , sherwin dubren wrote: FarmI wrote: That is why there are huge screams here everytime there is a threat to our biosecurity. That is why the recent Free Trade agreement made beteween the US and Australia caused conniption fits here. Australia seems like an interesting place to visit, but I am not going to move my orchard there. Sherwin Earth to Doo. Earth to Doo. Hello! No one thought you were going to move your orchard to Australia, repeat "no one". Can you please stop embarrassing us? BillyGoat, You miss the whole point of this thread. The original sender did not specify where he lived, and Australia would not have been my first guess. When someone claims results for orchard maintenance, they are meaningless in this case where the pests in question are not a problem. Does that penetrate your thick skull? Sherwin How long has FarmI been posting here, Doo? Not much of an observer are you? IIRC the thread started with a visit to a nursery (or its catalog) where there was some 300 varieties of heirloom apples. Done any gardening lately? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html |
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