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brooklyn1 wrote:

I don't believe SteveB has a 2 acre garden, in fact I don't believe he
has any size garden or has ever had any garden, and probably once he
wakes up from his beer fogged trailer trash dream and realizes what
gardening is about he will never have a garden... no one who has a 2
acre garden (that's a farm, folks) would ever ask such questions about
killing grass and weeds with Roundup defolient... a person could feed
a family of four with veggies from the market for two years for the
price of enough Roundup to treat 2 acres. A person can easily feed a
family of four (and two other families of four) veggies all year from
a 1/16 acre garden and not pay a cent for any chemicals whatsoever...
Steve couldn't afford to treat a 2 acre garden with H2O. When I read
of people with their claims of 4 1/2 acre and 2 acre gardens (none
have ever posted a photo) I seriously wonder if folks here have any
concept of what's an acre of garden.



He never said he had a 2 acre garden. He said he has 2+ acres and uses
Roundup, and he's getting ready to put in a garden.


He certainly did refer to his 2 acre garden... why would someone mention
2 acres in reference to a garden when they are putting in say a 10' X
10' plot?!?!? Actually he did say he already has a garden, a "weedy"
garden _"My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know."_ He led folks to
believe he has a 2 acre garden that is all weedy and he was asking if it
was okay to get rid of the weeds in his garden with Roundup... it is
quite clear that his intent was to lead folks to believe he has a weedy
2 acre garden. Had he truly wanted suggestion about how to weed his
garden (which many offered) an honest person would have said right from
the gitgo what size area (he said 2 acres), otherwise no one could offer
help except some generalizations and mostly wild speculation. Just
like the last person who boasted that she had a 4 1/2 acre garden but
when I asked her to post pictures of her garden she didn't deny it but
instead posted pictures of all sorts of things but none of any garden
(probably a neighbor's property). People on usenet are smarmy, they
make all sorts of wildly exaggerated claims and tell down right lies...
very few are who they say they are. Many of the pictures folks post are
not of their garden and/or not of anything they themselves did. It's
easy to post a picture of someone elses garden, or some landscaper was
paid to do and then claim they did it, and cameras are very portable so
anyone can take a shot of a garden across town, and it's very easy to
lift an image off the net... when someone posts a pictures of fully
cropped flowers I wonder where they stole those images.


You made your point when talking about smaller acreage and affordibility
of Roundup vs. feeding the family. I don't digress. You did just waste
your "breath" though on a point that is really moot from the prior
replying poster.


Sheesh, who made you sole arbiter of what peeps post... your responding to
my post added nothing, whereas yours and you are the total waste... and
obviously you haven't a clue what "digress" means or is your use germaine,
you just inserted the tired overused word self-servingly in hopes of
elevating yourself to a position of importance and superiority, not. I'm
positive you don't have a garden either, never did, never will.... what an
insignicant pinhead your momma bred.

And it sounds like you're a pimple faced idiot with little real world
experience. Either join in the conversation or STFU.

On second thought, you haven't written anything yet I consider worth
reading, so, it's to the compost pile with you.

bubye

Steve

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brooklyn1 wrote:

I don't believe SteveB has a 2 acre garden, in fact I don't believe
he has any size garden or has ever had any garden, and probably once
he wakes up from his beer fogged trailer trash dream and realizes
what gardening is about he will never have a garden... no one who has
a 2 acre garden (that's a farm, folks) would ever ask such questions
about killing grass and weeds with Roundup defolient... a person
could feed a family of four with veggies from the market for two
years for the price of enough Roundup to treat 2 acres. A person can
easily feed a family of four (and two other families of four) veggies
all year from a 1/16 acre garden and not pay a cent for any chemicals
whatsoever... Steve couldn't afford to treat a 2 acre garden with
H2O. When I read of people with their claims of 4 1/2 acre and 2
acre gardens (none have ever posted a photo) I seriously wonder if
folks here have any concept of what's an acre of garden.



He never said he had a 2 acre garden. He said he has 2+ acres and
uses Roundup, and he's getting ready to put in a garden.


He certainly did refer to his 2 acre garden... why would someone
mention 2 acres in reference to a garden when they are putting in say a
10' X 10' plot?!?!? Actually he did say he already has a garden, a
"weedy" garden _"My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it
to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know."_ He led
folks to believe he has a 2 acre garden that is all weedy and he was
asking if it was okay to get rid of the weeds in his garden with
Roundup... it is quite clear that his intent was to lead folks to
believe he has a weedy 2 acre garden. Had he truly wanted suggestion
about how to weed his garden (which many offered) an honest person
would have said right from the gitgo what size area (he said 2 acres),
otherwise no one could offer help except some generalizations and
mostly wild speculation. Just like the last person who boasted that
she had a 4 1/2 acre garden but when I asked her to post pictures of
her garden she didn't deny it but instead posted pictures of all sorts
of things but none of any garden (probably a neighbor's property).
People on usenet are smarmy, they make all sorts of wildly exaggerated
claims and tell down right lies... very few are who they say they are.
Many of the pictures folks post are not of their garden and/or not of
anything they themselves did. It's easy to post a picture of someone
elses garden, or some landscaper was paid to do and then claim they did
it, and cameras are very portable so anyone can take a shot of a garden
across town, and it's very easy to lift an image off the net... when
someone posts a pictures of fully cropped flowers I wonder where they
stole those images.


You made your point when talking about smaller acreage and affordibility
of Roundup vs. feeding the family. I don't digress. You did just waste
your "breath" though on a point that is really moot from the prior
replying poster.


Sheesh, who made you sole arbiter of what peeps post... your responding
to my post added nothing, whereas yours and you are the total waste...
and obviously you haven't a clue what "digress" means or is your use
germaine, you just inserted the tired overused word self-servingly in
hopes of elevating yourself to a position of importance and superiority,
not. I'm positive you don't have a garden either, never did, never
will.... what an insignicant pinhead your momma bred.

And it sounds like you're a pimple faced idiot with little real world
experience.bubye

Steve


You found a picture of him online? Share it! :-)

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"SteveB" wrote:

"brooklyn1" wrote in message
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"Dioclese" NONE wrote in message
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"brooklyn1" wrote in message
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"zxcvbob" wrote in message
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brooklyn1 wrote:

I don't believe SteveB has a 2 acre garden, in fact I don't believe he
has any size garden or has ever had any garden, and probably once he
wakes up from his beer fogged trailer trash dream and realizes what
gardening is about he will never have a garden... no one who has a 2
acre garden (that's a farm, folks) would ever ask such questions about
killing grass and weeds with Roundup defolient... a person could feed
a family of four with veggies from the market for two years for the
price of enough Roundup to treat 2 acres. A person can easily feed a
family of four (and two other families of four) veggies all year from
a 1/16 acre garden and not pay a cent for any chemicals whatsoever...
Steve couldn't afford to treat a 2 acre garden with H2O. When I read
of people with their claims of 4 1/2 acre and 2 acre gardens (none
have ever posted a photo) I seriously wonder if folks here have any
concept of what's an acre of garden.



He never said he had a 2 acre garden. He said he has 2+ acres and uses
Roundup, and he's getting ready to put in a garden.


He certainly did refer to his 2 acre garden... why would someone mention
2 acres in reference to a garden when they are putting in say a 10' X
10' plot?!?!? Actually he did say he already has a garden, a "weedy"
garden _"My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it to plant.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know."_ He led folks to
believe he has a 2 acre garden that is all weedy and he was asking if it
was okay to get rid of the weeds in his garden with Roundup... it is
quite clear that his intent was to lead folks to believe he has a weedy
2 acre garden. Had he truly wanted suggestion about how to weed his
garden (which many offered) an honest person would have said right from
the gitgo what size area (he said 2 acres), otherwise no one could offer
help except some generalizations and mostly wild speculation. Just
like the last person who boasted that she had a 4 1/2 acre garden but
when I asked her to post pictures of her garden she didn't deny it but
instead posted pictures of all sorts of things but none of any garden
(probably a neighbor's property). People on usenet are smarmy, they
make all sorts of wildly exaggerated claims and tell down right lies...
very few are who they say they are. Many of the pictures folks post are
not of their garden and/or not of anything they themselves did. It's
easy to post a picture of someone elses garden, or some landscaper was
paid to do and then claim they did it, and cameras are very portable so
anyone can take a shot of a garden across town, and it's very easy to
lift an image off the net... when someone posts a pictures of fully
cropped flowers I wonder where they stole those images.


You made your point when talking about smaller acreage and affordibility
of Roundup vs. feeding the family. I don't digress. You did just waste
your "breath" though on a point that is really moot from the prior
replying poster.


Sheesh, who made you sole arbiter of what peeps post... your responding to
my post added nothing, whereas yours and you are the total waste... and
obviously you haven't a clue what "digress" means or is your use germaine,
you just inserted the tired overused word self-servingly in hopes of
elevating yourself to a position of importance and superiority, not. I'm
positive you don't have a garden either, never did, never will.... what an
insignicant pinhead your momma bred.

And it sounds like you're a pimple faced idiot with little real world
experience. Either join in the conversation or STFU.

On second thought, you haven't written anything yet I consider worth
reading, so, it's to the compost pile with you.

bubye

Steve

Steve,
IIRC you started this thread, so I'll address this to you.

"Mulching will get rid of most weeds, but Bermuda grass and its allies
and bindweed will come up through any mulch, sooner or later, except for
6 overlapping layers of cardboard, covered well beyond the grass border
by heavy black plastic, maintained for at least a year."
--
Organic method primer update: A practical explanation : the how and why
for the beginner and the experience (Conservation gardening and farming)
(Hardcover)
by Bargyla Rateaver (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Organic-method...tion/dp/091596
6018/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1243186938&sr=1-1

€ ISBN-10: 0915966018
€ ISBN-13: 978-0915966011

Organic Method Primer UPDATE Copyright® B.& G. Raieaver 1993
Chapter 6 Weeds pg. 93
-----

Looks like you can prep for next year, but this year looks like you have
your work cut-out for you.

Shelly occasionally comes up with useful information but he has almost a
pathological need for self-aggrandizement and/or denigrating posters.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html

"Billy" wrote in message
news:wildbilly-9AF373.11035224052009@c-61-
"Mulching will get rid of most weeds, but Bermuda grass and its allies
and bindweed will come up through any mulch, sooner or later, except for
6 overlapping layers of cardboard, covered well beyond the grass border
by heavy black plastic, maintained for at least a year."

I've got a serious bindweed problem myself, but after a few years of
cardboard, the shoots that make it through are much smaller and more easily
removed. I think the cardboard just stresses it out after a while. Either
that or, since the ground is covered, the bindweed is no longer needed to
protect it.

One thing I noticed, though, when I had thick tangles of bindweed in between
my raised wooden beds in my first year of gardening, is that they were FULL
of spiders. I'd step into a patch and a dozen spiders would start crawling
up my leg. And I had NO bug problems that year. So maybe it's worth having
around for some reasons!
--S.

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"Suzanne D." wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
news:wildbilly-9AF373.11035224052009@c-61-
"Mulching will get rid of most weeds, but Bermuda grass and its allies
and bindweed will come up through any mulch, sooner or later, except for
6 overlapping layers of cardboard, covered well beyond the grass border
by heavy black plastic, maintained for at least a year."

I've got a serious bindweed problem myself, but after a few years of
cardboard, the shoots that make it through are much smaller and more easily
removed. I think the cardboard just stresses it out after a while. Either
that or, since the ground is covered, the bindweed is no longer needed to
protect it.
Yeah, bindweed and Bermuda grass have chlorophyll and need sun light to
survive. If you live where it gets hot in the summer, black plastic
blocks out the sun as well as holds in the heat.

". . . since the ground is covered, the bindweed is no longer needed to
protect it."

Huh?

One thing I noticed, though, when I had thick tangles of bindweed in between
my raised wooden beds in my first year of gardening, is that they were FULL
of spiders. I'd step into a patch and a dozen spiders would start crawling
up my leg. And I had NO bug problems that year. So maybe it's worth having
around for some reasons!
--S.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html

"Billy" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Suzanne D." wrote:

". . . since the ground is covered, the bindweed is no longer needed to
protect it."

Huh?

Bindweed and other weeds grow when the earth is exposed. It's nature's way
of keeping the earth covered and protected. Before I started using cover
crops to cover the bare earth, the bindweed took that job.
--S.

"Billy" wrote

Looks like you can prep for next year, but this year looks like you have
your work cut-out for you.

Basically you nailed it. Too bad you ended the entertainment of
intellectual masturbation by the impotent.

When I have owned gardens in the past, I noticed that they do improve every
year if you work at them.

Steve

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brooklyn1 wrote:

I don't believe SteveB has a 2 acre garden, in fact I don't believe
he has any size garden or has ever had any garden, and probably once
he wakes up from his beer fogged trailer trash dream and realizes
what gardening is about he will never have a garden... no one who has
a 2 acre garden (that's a farm, folks) would ever ask such questions
about killing grass and weeds with Roundup defolient... a person
could feed a family of four with veggies from the market for two
years for the price of enough Roundup to treat 2 acres. A person can
easily feed a family of four (and two other families of four) veggies
all year from a 1/16 acre garden and not pay a cent for any chemicals
whatsoever... Steve couldn't afford to treat a 2 acre garden with
H2O. When I read of people with their claims of 4 1/2 acre and 2
acre gardens (none have ever posted a photo) I seriously wonder if
folks here have any concept of what's an acre of garden.



He never said he had a 2 acre garden. He said he has 2+ acres and
uses Roundup, and he's getting ready to put in a garden.


He certainly did refer to his 2 acre garden... why would someone
mention 2 acres in reference to a garden when they are putting in say a
10' X 10' plot?!?!? Actually he did say he already has a garden, a
"weedy" garden _"My garden is weedy. I'm tilling it and preparing it
to plant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I waited a long time, I know."_ He led
folks to believe he has a 2 acre garden that is all weedy and he was
asking if it was okay to get rid of the weeds in his garden with
Roundup... it is quite clear that his intent was to lead folks to
believe he has a weedy 2 acre garden. Had he truly wanted suggestion
about how to weed his garden (which many offered) an honest person
would have said right from the gitgo what size area (he said 2 acres),
otherwise no one could offer help except some generalizations and
mostly wild speculation. Just like the last person who boasted that
she had a 4 1/2 acre garden but when I asked her to post pictures of
her garden she didn't deny it but instead posted pictures of all sorts
of things but none of any garden (probably a neighbor's property).
People on usenet are smarmy, they make all sorts of wildly exaggerated
claims and tell down right lies... very few are who they say they are.
Many of the pictures folks post are not of their garden and/or not of
anything they themselves did. It's easy to post a picture of someone
elses garden, or some landscaper was paid to do and then claim they did
it, and cameras are very portable so anyone can take a shot of a garden
across town, and it's very easy to lift an image off the net... when
someone posts a pictures of fully cropped flowers I wonder where they
stole those images.


You made your point when talking about smaller acreage and affordibility
of Roundup vs. feeding the family. I don't digress. You did just waste
your "breath" though on a point that is really moot from the prior
replying poster.


Sheesh, who made you sole arbiter of what peeps post... your responding
to my post added nothing, whereas yours and you are the total waste...
and obviously you haven't a clue what "digress" means or is your use
germaine, you just inserted the tired overused word self-servingly in
hopes of elevating yourself to a position of importance and superiority,
not. I'm positive you don't have a garden either, never did, never
will.... what an insignicant pinhead your momma bred.

And it sounds like you're a pimple faced idiot with little real world
experience. Either join in the conversation or STFU.

On second thought, you haven't written anything yet I consider worth
reading, so, it's to the compost pile with you.

bubye

Steve


Now, now. Ya'll settle down. I should have not acted as newsgroup
policeman. Rather, I should have allowed Brooklyn1 to see what I'm talking
about on his/her own. In retrospect, it was not polite. It may have been
embarassing to him/her to expose that folly. I would expect so by my
observation his/her subsequent reply's substance. I should have left well
enough alone. My apologies to him/her.

I'm a "him" if you choose to address me by the way.
--
Dave