"Suzanne D." wrote in message
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"brooklyn1" wrote in message news:%YYRl.312
Unless one already has the plywood exterior ply doesn't come cheap... and
a 4' X 8" plot is not much gardening space... I'd not bother with less
than six sheets. And you still need to till, pick rocks, rake, amend,
and till and rake again, and again.

Well, no you wouldn't. If you start off by smothering the grasses with
plywood or some other solid surface, then you shouldn't till at all after
that. Tilling will just bring the submerged weed seeds to the surface and
you'll have the same problem over again. It's much better to smother
everything under where you want to plant (letting the old plants rot and
add nutrients to the soil), and then build on top of that to make new,
relatively weed-free soil. This is why I would advocate cardboard instead
of plywood (since cardboard can be left in place to decompose), but the
plywood *IS* a good idea if you can get it and don't mind moving it when
it comes time to plant.


Again, the original subject was Bermuda grass. Not your generic "weed". If
you don't get the vast majority of the roots out of the soil, you might as
well thrown handfuls of Bermuda grass seed.

The major thing I disagree with the prior post is you have to actually use
your hands to aid getting these roots out of the soil. One needs to use a
spading fork or shovel to bring up a big chunk of soil. Then, allow it to
dry. Then, break each chunk down to free all the subsurface plant material.
Then, you can use power tools.

A good deep rototilling will dispatch any weeds/grass so that those will
never grow again...

A good, deep rototilling will also dredge up dormant weed seeds and bring
them back to life. With my clayey, weedy soil, I have found it infinitely
better to leave the tiller in the garage, and just pile organic stuff on
top of cardboard to make rich, fertile garden plots that are virtually
weed-free.

Again, the subject "weed" is Bermuda grass. It grows right through organic
stackage, wet newspaper, and around solid objects beneath the surface. The
OP did not mention clay soil that I've seen so far, so I don't see the
applicability here. Bermuda grass seeds and germinates that season. Any
remnants are not of any consequence. Timing is what's important, early
spring.
--
Dave

"Dioclese" NONE wrote in message
Again, the original subject was Bermuda grass. Not your generic "weed".
If you don't get the vast majority of the roots out of the soil, you might
as well thrown handfuls of Bermuda grass seed.

On a similar subject, does anyone know how to make Bermuda grass GROW?
We've tried planting it in our front and back yards several times now
(having given up hope with less-aggressive grasses), and we STILL can't get
it to grow. We water it, and it grows okay, and then the sun shines and
kills it all, until there's nothing left but bare ground (not even tufts of
dead grass). People here are talking about how it is impossible to get
Bermuda grass to stop growing, but I wonder how much of a start it needs to
get to the point where it is impervious to everything!
--S.

On Sun, 24 May 2009 16:25:53 -0600, "Suzanne D."
wrote:


"Dioclese" NONE wrote in message
Again, the original subject was Bermuda grass. Not your generic "weed".
If you don't get the vast majority of the roots out of the soil, you might
as well thrown handfuls of Bermuda grass seed.

On a similar subject, does anyone know how to make Bermuda grass GROW?
We've tried planting it in our front and back yards several times now
(having given up hope with less-aggressive grasses), and we STILL can't get
it to grow. We water it, and it grows okay, and then the sun shines and
kills it all, until there's nothing left but bare ground (not even tufts of
dead grass). People here are talking about how it is impossible to get
Bermuda grass to stop growing, but I wonder how much of a start it needs to
get to the point where it is impervious to everything!
--S.


I've always started it from sod rather than seed, I prefer the hybrid
varieties. It seems to like a lot of water, at least until it gets
its roots down deep, then mine can go all summer without watering.

On Sun, 24 May 2009 16:25:53 -0600, against all advice, something
compelled "Suzanne D." , to say:

On a similar subject, does anyone know how to make Bermuda grass GROW?



Apparently, it does best under three feet of Roundup treated
concrete.




--

Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will
have to ram it down their throats.
- Howard Aiken

"Steve Daniels" wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 May 2009 16:25:53 -0600, against all advice, something
compelled "Suzanne D." , to say:

On a similar subject, does anyone know how to make Bermuda grass
GROW?



Apparently, it does best under three feet of Roundup treated
concrete.


I've been pulling weeds in my front yard which used to be a "lawn" but is
now a corn field. I've been only removing weeds and leaving the odd tufts
of grass to grow, but maybe if I start pulling the grass too and trying to
get rid of it, it will take over the whole yard.

But then, I'd be stuck with a lawn instead of a corn field, so...
--S.

"Suzanne D." wrote in message
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"Dioclese" NONE wrote in message
Again, the original subject was Bermuda grass. Not your generic "weed".
If you don't get the vast majority of the roots out of the soil, you
might as well thrown handfuls of Bermuda grass seed.

On a similar subject, does anyone know how to make Bermuda grass GROW?


Cover it with cardboard, asphalt or concrete. :-)

"Suzanne D." wrote in message
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"Dioclese" NONE wrote in message
Again, the original subject was Bermuda grass. Not your generic "weed".
If you don't get the vast majority of the roots out of the soil, you
might as well thrown handfuls of Bermuda grass seed.

On a similar subject, does anyone know how to make Bermuda grass GROW?
We've tried planting it in our front and back yards several times now
(having given up hope with less-aggressive grasses), and we STILL can't
get it to grow. We water it, and it grows okay, and then the sun shines
and kills it all, until there's nothing left but bare ground (not even
tufts of dead grass). People here are talking about how it is impossible
to get Bermuda grass to stop growing, but I wonder how much of a start it
needs to get to the point where it is impervious to everything!
--S.

I'd have to go along with Victoria's reply on chinch bugs. I've also
concluded by observation that ants attack grass root systems when extreme
drought conditions occur. At least that was my observation last summer on a
fire ant colony in the front yard that was basically hidden for a time.

Bermuda grass seed germinates just like any other seed. Needs alot of
moisture for a time for that to occur. If you insist on a Bermuda strain,
go with the Sahara variety that tolerates drought well.

I apologize for those who are using your post as rider for their ridicule.
--
Dave

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"Dioclese" NONE wrote:

"Suzanne D." wrote in message
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"Dioclese" NONE wrote in message
Again, the original subject was Bermuda grass. Not your generic "weed".
If you don't get the vast majority of the roots out of the soil, you
might as well thrown handfuls of Bermuda grass seed.

On a similar subject, does anyone know how to make Bermuda grass GROW?
We've tried planting it in our front and back yards several times now
(having given up hope with less-aggressive grasses), and we STILL can't
get it to grow. We water it, and it grows okay, and then the sun shines
and kills it all, until there's nothing left but bare ground (not even
tufts of dead grass). People here are talking about how it is impossible
to get Bermuda grass to stop growing, but I wonder how much of a start it
needs to get to the point where it is impervious to everything!
--S.

I'd have to go along with Victoria's reply on chinch bugs. I've also
concluded by observation that ants attack grass root systems when extreme
drought conditions occur. At least that was my observation last summer on a
fire ant colony in the front yard that was basically hidden for a time.

Bermuda grass seed germinates just like any other seed. Needs alot of
moisture for a time for that to occur. If you insist on a Bermuda strain,
go with the Sahara variety that tolerates drought well.

I apologize for those who are using your post as rider for their ridicule.

Sniff, sniff. Do I smell burning martyr?
IIRC Steve was the OP on "Roundup questions".
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html

"Dioclese" NONE wrote in message newsvmdnU0-
I apologize for those who are using your post as rider for their ridicule.

Oh please don't. I am finding those replies amusing as well. I appreciate
the real advice like yours, but enjoy the silly posts.
--S.