"songbird" wrote in message
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Steve Peek wrote:
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I had a good crop this year myself. I used the same culture as for bush
beans. They got about 30 inches tall, I didn't use any support, but they
probably could have used some late in the season. I picked about 1/2 in
the
green stage, blanched and froze them as edamame(delicious). They will
probably become a yearly crop for me.

green varieties aimed at edamame might be
different from the kinds i've been growing for
soymilk (dry beans) as these plants easily
get 5ft tall for me here. the fields next to
us the plants typically get about 3ft tall.


songbird

OK, how about a recipe for the soy milk?

My seed came from Johnny's if anyone is interested.
Steve

Steve Peek wrote:
....
OK, how about a recipe for the soy milk?

My seed came from Johnny's if anyone is interested.
Steve

very easy,

- rinse beans[1]
- soak beans in water for 24 hours, change the water a few times[2]
- blend beans with some water until they are a fine slurry[3]
- dump slurry into more water to cook[4]
- when the foam goes away it's about done, cook a few more minutes[5]
- strain to remove the pieces from the soymilk[6]
- refrigerate, drink, cook with, etc[7]
- the left over ground up cooked beans are edible and useful[8]


Notes:

[1] don't use funny looking beans (in the non-clown
sense of funny). about 1.5 cups dry beans per
gallon of finished soymilk (adjust up or down
to taste).

[2] sometimes they make a popping noise. it's quite
funny (in the clown sense of funny).

[3] the better blender you have the more you'll get
from the bean and the less you'll have to filter
off at the end. i use over a gallon of water to
get a gallon of soymilk. a really good blender
should lower how much water you'd lose after
filtering. yes, you can make a mess if you blend
too much at once.

[4] there is going to be a lot of foam, do not walk away
as this will boil over, stir once in a while or it
will burn.

[5] about 25-35 minutes.

[6] i use a wire sifter for one pour and then put it
through a fine mesh (gold plated) reusable coffee
filter to get the rest of the pieces out.

[7] excellent ingredient to use along with lite coconut
milk for any red or green Thai curry.

[8] i eat some right away, a little sugar and cinnamon
on top. also good in muffins, cakes, etc. but in
the end, i feed some of it to the worm farm too,
they love it.


google "Making Soy Milk" and the site that has the
title milking the bean or something like that is
the easiest description i've found.

for making tofu it's a few more steps, but not too
hard. the just mentioned site covers this too.




songbird

In article ,
songbird wrote:

Steve Peek wrote:
...
OK, how about a recipe for the soy milk?

My seed came from Johnny's if anyone is interested.
Steve

very easy,

- rinse beans[1]
- soak beans in water for 24 hours, change the water a few times[2]
- blend beans with some water until they are a fine slurry[3]
- dump slurry into more water to cook[4]
- when the foam goes away it's about done, cook a few more minutes[5]
- strain to remove the pieces from the soymilk[6]
- refrigerate, drink, cook with, etc[7]
- the left over ground up cooked beans are edible and useful[8]


Notes:

[1] don't use funny looking beans (in the non-clown
sense of funny). about 1.5 cups dry beans per
gallon of finished soymilk (adjust up or down
to taste).

[2] sometimes they make a popping noise. it's quite
funny (in the clown sense of funny).

[3] the better blender you have the more you'll get
from the bean and the less you'll have to filter
off at the end. i use over a gallon of water to
get a gallon of soymilk. a really good blender
should lower how much water you'd lose after
filtering. yes, you can make a mess if you blend
too much at once.

[4] there is going to be a lot of foam, do not walk away
as this will boil over, stir once in a while or it
will burn.

[5] about 25-35 minutes.

[6] i use a wire sifter for one pour and then put it
through a fine mesh (gold plated) reusable coffee
filter to get the rest of the pieces out.

[7] excellent ingredient to use along with lite coconut
milk for any red or green Thai curry.

[8] i eat some right away, a little sugar and cinnamon
on top. also good in muffins, cakes, etc. but in
the end, i feed some of it to the worm farm too,
they love it.


google "Making Soy Milk" and the site that has the
title milking the bean or something like that is
the easiest description i've found.

for making tofu it's a few more steps, but not too
hard. the just mentioned site covers this too.




songbird

Enjoy your phytoestrogens. If you don't already have tits, this is the
product for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens#Food_sources

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--
- Billy

E pluribus unum
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405

Billy wrote:
....
Enjoy your phytoestrogens. If you don't already have tits, this is the
product for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens#Food_sources

do you even read the cites you quote?

funny. there's no mention of increased man boobs in
the article.

also noted the list of products containing: nuts, legumes,
beer, bourbon, hops (among others).


songbird

In article ,
songbird wrote:

Billy wrote:
...
Enjoy your phytoestrogens. If you don't already have tits, this is the
product for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens#Food_sources

do you even read the cites you quote?
You seem to understand the explicit meanings of the words, but not the
implicit meaning of the text. Next time I'll try to find something with
pictures for you.
The operative word here is PHYTOESTROGEN.

funny. there's no mention of increased man boobs in
the article.

also noted the list of products containing: nuts, legumes,
beer, bourbon, hops (among others).


songbird


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#Phytoestrogen
Phytoestrogen
Main article: Phytoestrogens
Soybeans contain isoflavones called genistein and daidzein, which are
one source of phytoestrogens in the human diet. Because most naturally
occurring estrogenic substances show weak activity, normal consumption
of foods that contain these phytoestrogens should not provide sufficient
amounts to elicit a physiological response in humans.[102]

Plant lignans associated with high fiber foods such as cereal brans and
beans are the principal precursor to mammalian lignans which have an
ability to bind to human estrogen sites. Soybeans are a significant
source of mammalian lignan precursor secoisolariciresinol containing
13*273*µg/100*g dry weight.[103] Another phytoestrogen in the human diet
with estrogen activity is coumestans, which are found in beans,
split-peas, with the best sources being alfalfa, clover, and soybean
sprouts. Coumestrol, an isoflavone coumarin derivative is the only
coumestan in foods.[104][105]

Soybeans and processed soy foods are among the richest foods in total
phytoestrogens (wet basis per 100g), which are present primarily in the
form of the isoflavones daidzein and genistein.[106]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavende...traindications
Lavender oil has recently been implicated in gynecomastia, the abnormal
development of breasts in young boys. Denver endocrinologist Clifford
Bloch hypothesized the link after three boys presented with enlarged
breasts. Subsequently, Derek Henley and Kenneth Korach of the National
Institute of Environmental Health Sciences in Research Triangle Park,
N.C., discovered in lavender and tea tree oil the presence of compounds
which both suppress male hormones and mimic female hormones.

Because sex hormone levels normally are low prior to puberty, young boys
and girls particularly are sensitive to estrogenic and androgenic
compounds. The discovery of the gynecomastia link in boys has led some
researchers to suspect lavender and tea tree oils, which are present in
various personal care products including shampoos and lotions, may also
contribute to the increased incidence of early breast development in
girls.

Discontinuation of use of these products resulted in rapid reversal of
gynecomastia in Bloch¹s young patients.[14][15]

However, the conclusion that the gynecomastia actually was caused by the
essential oils in the products used by the three boys are currently
being disputed by the Natural Artisan Perfumers Guild and Cropwatch on
the claimed basis of insufficient evidence.[citation needed]
--
- Billy

E pluribus unum
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405

Billy wrote:
songbird wrote:
Billy wrote:
...
Enjoy your phytoestrogens. If you don't already have tits, this is the
product for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens#Food_sources

do you even read the cites you quote?
You seem to understand the explicit meanings of the words, but not the
implicit meaning of the text. Next time I'll try to find something with
pictures for you.
The operative word here is PHYTOESTROGEN.

once again billy, the first paragraph shoots
you down. read it. i'll underline the relevant
part for you.


funny. there's no mention of increased man boobs in
the article.

also noted the list of products containing: nuts, legumes,
beer, bourbon, hops (among others).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#Phytoestrogen
Phytoestrogen
Main article: Phytoestrogens
Soybeans contain isoflavones called genistein and daidzein, which are
one source of phytoestrogens in the human diet. Because most naturally
occurring estrogenic substances show weak activity, normal consumption
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

of foods that contain these phytoestrogens should not provide sufficient
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

amounts to elicit a physiological response in humans.[102]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^

Plant lignans associated with high fiber foods such as cereal brans and
beans are the principal precursor to mammalian lignans which have an
ability to bind to human estrogen sites. Soybeans are a significant
source of mammalian lignan precursor secoisolariciresinol containing
13Â*273Â*µg/100Â*g dry weight.[103] Another phytoestrogen in the human diet
with estrogen activity is coumestans, which are found in beans,
split-peas, with the best sources being alfalfa, clover, and soybean
sprouts. Coumestrol, an isoflavone coumarin derivative is the only
coumestan in foods.[104][105]

Soybeans and processed soy foods are among the richest foods in total
phytoestrogens (wet basis per 100g), which are present primarily in the
form of the isoflavones daidzein and genistein.[106]


songbird

In article ,
songbird wrote:

Billy wrote:
songbird wrote:
Billy wrote:
...
Enjoy your phytoestrogens. If you don't already have tits, this is the
product for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens#Food_sources

do you even read the cites you quote?
You seem to understand the explicit meanings of the words, but not the
implicit meaning of the text. Next time I'll try to find something with
pictures for you.
The operative word here is PHYTOESTROGEN.

once again billy, the first paragraph shoots
you down. read it. i'll underline the relevant
part for you.


funny. there's no mention of increased man boobs in
the article.

also noted the list of products containing: nuts, legumes,
beer, bourbon, hops (among others).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#Phytoestrogen
Phytoestrogen
Main article: Phytoestrogens
Soybeans contain isoflavones called genistein and daidzein, which are
one source of phytoestrogens in the human diet. Because most naturally
occurring estrogenic substances show weak activity, normal consumption
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

of foods that contain these phytoestrogens should not provide sufficient
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

amounts to elicit a physiological response in humans.[102]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^
Well, I started this as amusement, but I see that you want to be a
"winner". So be it. As I understand it, tofu is used as a condiment in
Japan, not the central element of the meal. That said, pray tell me what
normal consumption is.


Plant lignans associated with high fiber foods such as cereal brans and
beans are the principal precursor to mammalian lignans which have an
ability to bind to human estrogen sites. Soybeans are a significant
source of mammalian lignan precursor secoisolariciresinol containing
13–273Â*μg/100Â*g dry weight.[103] Another phytoestrogen in the human diet
with estrogen activity is coumestans, which are found in beans,
split-peas, with the best sources being alfalfa, clover, and soybean
sprouts. Coumestrol, an isoflavone coumarin derivative is the only
coumestan in foods.[104][105]

Soybeans and processed soy foods are among the richest foods in total
phytoestrogens (wet basis per 100g), which are present primarily in the
form of the isoflavones daidzein and genistein.[106]


songbird
--
- Billy

E pluribus unum
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405