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songbird wrote: Steve Peek wrote: ... OK, how about a recipe for the soy milk? My seed came from Johnny's if anyone is interested. Steve very easy, - rinse beans[1] - soak beans in water for 24 hours, change the water a few times[2] - blend beans with some water until they are a fine slurry[3] - dump slurry into more water to cook[4] - when the foam goes away it's about done, cook a few more minutes[5] - strain to remove the pieces from the soymilk[6] - refrigerate, drink, cook with, etc[7] - the left over ground up cooked beans are edible and useful[8] Notes: [1] don't use funny looking beans (in the non-clown sense of funny). about 1.5 cups dry beans per gallon of finished soymilk (adjust up or down to taste). [2] sometimes they make a popping noise. it's quite funny (in the clown sense of funny). [3] the better blender you have the more you'll get from the bean and the less you'll have to filter off at the end. i use over a gallon of water to get a gallon of soymilk. a really good blender should lower how much water you'd lose after filtering. yes, you can make a mess if you blend too much at once. [4] there is going to be a lot of foam, do not walk away as this will boil over, stir once in a while or it will burn. [5] about 25-35 minutes. [6] i use a wire sifter for one pour and then put it through a fine mesh (gold plated) reusable coffee filter to get the rest of the pieces out. [7] excellent ingredient to use along with lite coconut milk for any red or green Thai curry. [8] i eat some right away, a little sugar and cinnamon on top. also good in muffins, cakes, etc. but in the end, i feed some of it to the worm farm too, they love it. google "Making Soy Milk" and the site that has the title milking the bean or something like that is the easiest description i've found. for making tofu it's a few more steps, but not too hard. the just mentioned site covers this too. songbird Enjoy your phytoestrogens. If you don't already have tits, this is the product for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens#Food_sources ----- -- - Billy E pluribus unum http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405 |
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.... Enjoy your phytoestrogens. If you don't already have tits, this is the product for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens#Food_sources do you even read the cites you quote? funny. there's no mention of increased man boobs in the article. also noted the list of products containing: nuts, legumes, beer, bourbon, hops (among others). songbird |
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songbird wrote: Billy wrote: ... Enjoy your phytoestrogens. If you don't already have tits, this is the product for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens#Food_sources do you even read the cites you quote? You seem to understand the explicit meanings of the words, but not the implicit meaning of the text. Next time I'll try to find something with pictures for you. The operative word here is PHYTOESTROGEN. funny. there's no mention of increased man boobs in the article. also noted the list of products containing: nuts, legumes, beer, bourbon, hops (among others). songbird http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#Phytoestrogen Phytoestrogen Main article: Phytoestrogens Soybeans contain isoflavones called genistein and daidzein, which are one source of phytoestrogens in the human diet. Because most naturally occurring estrogenic substances show weak activity, normal consumption of foods that contain these phytoestrogens should not provide sufficient amounts to elicit a physiological response in humans.[102] Plant lignans associated with high fiber foods such as cereal brans and beans are the principal precursor to mammalian lignans which have an ability to bind to human estrogen sites. Soybeans are a significant source of mammalian lignan precursor secoisolariciresinol containing 13*273*µg/100*g dry weight.[103] Another phytoestrogen in the human diet with estrogen activity is coumestans, which are found in beans, split-peas, with the best sources being alfalfa, clover, and soybean sprouts. Coumestrol, an isoflavone coumarin derivative is the only coumestan in foods.[104][105] Soybeans and processed soy foods are among the richest foods in total phytoestrogens (wet basis per 100g), which are present primarily in the form of the isoflavones daidzein and genistein.[106] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavende...traindications Lavender oil has recently been implicated in gynecomastia, the abnormal development of breasts in young boys. Denver endocrinologist Clifford Bloch hypothesized the link after three boys presented with enlarged breasts. Subsequently, Derek Henley and Kenneth Korach of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences in Research Triangle Park, N.C., discovered in lavender and tea tree oil the presence of compounds which both suppress male hormones and mimic female hormones. Because sex hormone levels normally are low prior to puberty, young boys and girls particularly are sensitive to estrogenic and androgenic compounds. The discovery of the gynecomastia link in boys has led some researchers to suspect lavender and tea tree oils, which are present in various personal care products including shampoos and lotions, may also contribute to the increased incidence of early breast development in girls. Discontinuation of use of these products resulted in rapid reversal of gynecomastia in Bloch¹s young patients.[14][15] However, the conclusion that the gynecomastia actually was caused by the essential oils in the products used by the three boys are currently being disputed by the Natural Artisan Perfumers Guild and Cropwatch on the claimed basis of insufficient evidence.[citation needed] -- - Billy E pluribus unum http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405 |
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songbird wrote: Billy wrote: ... Enjoy your phytoestrogens. If you don't already have tits, this is the product for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens#Food_sources do you even read the cites you quote? You seem to understand the explicit meanings of the words, but not the implicit meaning of the text. Next time I'll try to find something with pictures for you. The operative word here is PHYTOESTROGEN. once again billy, the first paragraph shoots you down. read it. i'll underline the relevant part for you. funny. there's no mention of increased man boobs in the article. also noted the list of products containing: nuts, legumes, beer, bourbon, hops (among others). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#Phytoestrogen Phytoestrogen Main article: Phytoestrogens Soybeans contain isoflavones called genistein and daidzein, which are one source of phytoestrogens in the human diet. Because most naturally occurring estrogenic substances show weak activity, normal consumption ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ of foods that contain these phytoestrogens should not provide sufficient ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ amounts to elicit a physiological response in humans.[102] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ Plant lignans associated with high fiber foods such as cereal brans and beans are the principal precursor to mammalian lignans which have an ability to bind to human estrogen sites. Soybeans are a significant source of mammalian lignan precursor secoisolariciresinol containing 13Â*273Â*µg/100Â*g dry weight.[103] Another phytoestrogen in the human diet with estrogen activity is coumestans, which are found in beans, split-peas, with the best sources being alfalfa, clover, and soybean sprouts. Coumestrol, an isoflavone coumarin derivative is the only coumestan in foods.[104][105] Soybeans and processed soy foods are among the richest foods in total phytoestrogens (wet basis per 100g), which are present primarily in the form of the isoflavones daidzein and genistein.[106] songbird |
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songbird wrote: Billy wrote: songbird wrote: Billy wrote: ... Enjoy your phytoestrogens. If you don't already have tits, this is the product for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens#Food_sources do you even read the cites you quote? You seem to understand the explicit meanings of the words, but not the implicit meaning of the text. Next time I'll try to find something with pictures for you. The operative word here is PHYTOESTROGEN. once again billy, the first paragraph shoots you down. read it. i'll underline the relevant part for you. funny. there's no mention of increased man boobs in the article. also noted the list of products containing: nuts, legumes, beer, bourbon, hops (among others). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean#Phytoestrogen Phytoestrogen Main article: Phytoestrogens Soybeans contain isoflavones called genistein and daidzein, which are one source of phytoestrogens in the human diet. Because most naturally occurring estrogenic substances show weak activity, normal consumption ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ of foods that contain these phytoestrogens should not provide sufficient ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ amounts to elicit a physiological response in humans.[102] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ Well, I started this as amusement, but I see that you want to be a "winner". So be it. As I understand it, tofu is used as a condiment in Japan, not the central element of the meal. That said, pray tell me what normal consumption is. Plant lignans associated with high fiber foods such as cereal brans and beans are the principal precursor to mammalian lignans which have an ability to bind to human estrogen sites. Soybeans are a significant source of mammalian lignan precursor secoisolariciresinol containing 13–273Â*μg/100Â*g dry weight.[103] Another phytoestrogen in the human diet with estrogen activity is coumestans, which are found in beans, split-peas, with the best sources being alfalfa, clover, and soybean sprouts. Coumestrol, an isoflavone coumarin derivative is the only coumestan in foods.[104][105] Soybeans and processed soy foods are among the richest foods in total phytoestrogens (wet basis per 100g), which are present primarily in the form of the isoflavones daidzein and genistein.[106] songbird -- - Billy E pluribus unum http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405 |
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.... Well, I started this as amusement, but I see that you want to be a "winner". So be it. As I understand it, tofu is used as a condiment in Japan, not the central element of the meal. That said, pray tell me what normal consumption is. i'm not caring about "winning" i just hate to see casual unfounded remarks that look like scare mongering put in their place. normal consumption, a glass of soymilk a day, a few ounces of tofu, some soy sauce, a few teaspoons of fermented soy beans in a black bean sauce, a soy burger, all probably well within normal. i'd say that more than 2lbs of soy products a day would be getting into the realm of abnormal. more than a lb a day borderline and less than that quite ok for most people. the only qualification i see at this time in the literature is for pregnant or soon to be pregnant women. Japan is not the only place that eats soy products. Thai, Indonesian, Indian, Chinese, etc. all use soy in various ways. songbird |
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songbird wrote: Billy wrote: ... Well, I started this as amusement, but I see that you want to be a "winner". So be it. As I understand it, tofu is used as a condiment in Japan, not the central element of the meal. That said, pray tell me what normal consumption is. i'm not caring about "winning" i just hate to see casual unfounded remarks that look like scare mongering put in their place. Observing that exposure to phytoestrogens can facilitate the growth of breasts is fear mongering? Breasts are to be feared? normal consumption, a glass of soymilk a day, a few ounces of tofu, some soy sauce, a few teaspoons of fermented soy beans in a black bean sauce, a soy burger, all probably well within normal. i'd say that more than 2lbs of soy products a day would be getting into the realm of abnormal. more than a lb a day borderline and less than that quite ok for most people. You'd say!? What is the support for what you say? Facts aren't something that you pull out of your backside. once again billy, the first paragraph shoots you down. Once again!? As charming as you are, bird, you are far too incompetent to be patronizing, as the following illustrates. read it. i'll underline the relevant part for you. normal consumption ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ of foods that contain these phytoestrogens should not provide sufficient ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ amounts to elicit a physiological response in humans.[102] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ What does that sentence say, bird? First, normal consumption isn't quantified. Then it says "should not", not "will not". So what the sentence says is that most people probably won't have a physiological response to phytoestrogens, because they don't consume soybeans beyond some undefined "healthy limit". It doesn't say eat as much phytoestrogens as you like, because there is no adverse physiological threat from them. At some point they become a problem, but that point is unknown. the only qualification i see at this time in the literature is for pregnant or soon to be pregnant women. Japan is not the only place that eats soy products. Thai, Indonesian, Indian, Chinese, etc. all use soy in various ways. Golllly, do tell. Who'd have thunk? (This is a bit dated ['02], but still makes the point.) Some studies have reported no link and others have reported a decrease in the risk of breast cancer among women eating soy compared to women who did not eat soy; no studies have reliably demonstrated an increase in the risk of breast cancer among women eating soy. In addition to the conflicting results, there are four problems with these studies. First, the number of studies is small, only ten studies have examined soy in the diet and breast cancer risk. Second, most of the studies examined small numbers of women, only four of the studies included more than 200 patients. Third, all but two of the studies were limited to women from Asia. The effect of soy in Asian women may not best reflect much of the population of Western countries like the US. Women in Asia differ in important ways. Many of them have eaten soy products all their lives and their usual diets contain large amounts of soy products. Also, Asian women have low rates of breast cancer compared to Western women, which may be related to other factors besides soy in their diet. Fourth, most of these studies are limited by their focus on the general diet of women rather than soy products in detail. More carefully controlled studies are needed that examine the effect of soy products on breast cancer risk in women from cultures outside of Asia and more indepth studies are needed of Asian women. Then soy isn't the only phytoestrogen game in town: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavende...traindications Lavender oil has recently been implicated in gynecomastia, the abnormal development of breasts in young boys. Then there is the collateral damage from soybeans. http://www.ajcn.org/content/93/5/950.abstract € © 2011 American Society for Nutrition Changes in consumption of omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids in the United States during the 20th century Background: The consumption of omega-3 (n*3) and omega-6 (n*6) essential fatty acids in Western diets is thought to have changed markedly during the 20th century. Results: The estimated per capita consumption of soybean oil increased 1000-fold from 1909 to 1999. The availability of linoleic acid (LA)[omega-6] increased from 2.79% to 7.21% of energy (P 0.000001), whereas the availability of ?-linolenic acid (ALA) [omega-3] increased from 0.39% to 0.72% of energy . . . The ratio of LA to ALA increased from 6.4 in 1909 to 10.0 in 1999. Predicted net effects of these dietary changes included declines in tissue n--3 highly unsaturated fatty acid status . . . and declines in the estimated omega-3 index. You do know about the importance of omega-6/omega-3, don't you, bird? songbird I'd continue your instruction, but I have a football game to watch. -- Billy Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron. - Dwight D. Eisenhower, 16 April 1953 |
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songbird wrote: Well, I started this as amusement, but I see that you want to be a "winner". So be it. As I understand it, tofu is used as a condiment in Japan, not the central element of the meal. That said, pray tell me what normal consumption is. i'm not caring about "winning" i just hate to see casual unfounded remarks that look like scare mongering put in their place. You hate for unfounded remarks that look like scare mongering to be put in their place, bird? Q.E.D. -- - Billy E pluribus unum http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405 |
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