In article ,
songbird wrote:

Billy wrote:
...
Seems as if every piece of good news is like a drop of water on a hot
rock.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...rs-agrentina-f
alklands_n_2949087.html?utm_hp_ref=green

Ilex Squid Overfishing Woes Test Delicate Relationship Between Argentina
And The Falklands

. . . hundreds of unlicensed, unregulated fishing vessels that exploit
the South Atlantic, pulling out an estimated 300,000 tons of ilex squid
a year.

The species, which roams across the maritime boundary between Argentina
and the Falkland Islands, is key to a food chain that sustains penguins,
seals, birds and whales.

yeah, international waters are likely to
always be troublesome to manage, but
eventually we have to as a whole planet
come to grips with sustainable practices.

after all, there are no other alternatives.
either we change and adjust or we'll be gone.


songbird

Which choice gives the highest profits for the next quarter?

It's going to be a tough row to hoe. Answers are being found, but
implementation is slow to non-existent. We all know that CO2 emissions
have to be curtailed, but is seems to be blocked by campaign financing,
which allows pipelines to be built to pump even more CO2 into the
atmosphere, 390 ppm and rising.

Got about half of my garden beds prepped. Even without digging, it wore
me out. Good sweat though ;O)

--
Remember Rachel Corrie
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

Welcome to the New America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
songbird wrote:

Billy wrote:
...
Seems as if every piece of good news is like a drop of water on a hot
rock.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...rs-agrentina-f
alklands_n_2949087.html?utm_hp_ref=green

Ilex Squid Overfishing Woes Test Delicate Relationship Between Argentina
And The Falklands

. . . hundreds of unlicensed, unregulated fishing vessels that exploit
the South Atlantic, pulling out an estimated 300,000 tons of ilex squid
a year.

The species, which roams across the maritime boundary between Argentina
and the Falkland Islands, is key to a food chain that sustains penguins,
seals, birds and whales.

yeah, international waters are likely to
always be troublesome to manage, but
eventually we have to as a whole planet
come to grips with sustainable practices.

after all, there are no other alternatives.
either we change and adjust or we'll be gone.


songbird

Which choice gives the highest profits for the next quarter?

It's going to be a tough row to hoe. Answers are being found, but
implementation is slow to non-existent. We all know that CO2 emissions
have to be curtailed, but is seems to be blocked by campaign financing,
which allows pipelines to be built to pump even more CO2 into the
atmosphere, 390 ppm and rising.

Got about half of my garden beds prepped. Even without digging, it wore
me out. Good sweat though ;O)

Oh, good grief, a couple of the squash are flowering, and it will be
nearly a month before they will go in the ground (maybe earlier). These
were outside for about a week now, as the night time temps got into the
high 30's, and now low 40's. wonder if that means early squash, mmmmmmm.

--
Remember Rachel Corrie
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

Welcome to the New America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg

Billy wrote:
....
Which choice gives the highest profits for the next quarter?

for some state sponsored trawlers on
the open seas it's not going to be about
profits, but sheer survival. at some
point in the future if we don't get a
grip on populations and manage the
topsoil better.

the book _soil_ by David Montgomery
was yesterday's reading list entry and
while interesting and containing some
points i'd not considered before it was
rather gloomy. repeated civilizations
collapsing because they mistreated their
topsoil.

ironic that Cuba is one of the
brightest agricultural spots and that
because they were embargoed.


It's going to be a tough row to hoe. Answers are being found, but
implementation is slow to non-existent. We all know that CO2 emissions
have to be curtailed, but is seems to be blocked by campaign financing,
which allows pipelines to be built to pump even more CO2 into the
atmosphere, 390 ppm and rising.

yep, it's going to be an interesting
time for the next few hundred years.

i was heartened to see that many
people in Michigan voted for a provision
to raise renewable requirements for
utilities. so it's not like people don't
care, but that they still are not a large
enough majority to force the changes
through. but if each of those people
who voted made the change with their
electricity provider directly to purchase
more green power they could already make
the change and not even need a new law
to do it. this is an option for people
and it already exists.

the counterargument to the pipeline thing
is that currently companies are shipping the
oil via rail to get around the distribution
bottleneck. which isn't very good for things
either.

somehow though we gotta get the fossil
fuel monkey off our backs or get the
technology in place to sequester all the
CO2 from burning it plus also set up CO2
sucking plants to reduce the level back
to more reasonable levels.

this should already be happening no
matter what the laws and governments say.
it can be done. there's nothing technically
impossible, just gotta do it.


Got about half of my garden beds prepped. Even without digging, it wore
me out. Good sweat though ;O)

i can still find frozen ground here.
the sun was out most of the day and some
flowers made progress. maybe by Saturday
there will be some blooms.

aren't squash blooms edible?


songbird

In article ,
songbird wrote:

Billy wrote:
...
Which choice gives the highest profits for the next quarter?

for some state sponsored trawlers on
the open seas it's not going to be about
profits, but sheer survival.
I have a hard time picturing those who have the "where with all" to put
a fishing trawler at sea for months at a time, only seeking survival.
The oceans are the commons, that once again are being appropriated to
enrich the few.

at some point in the future if we don't get a
grip on populations and manage the
topsoil better.
Cooperative management of the biosphere for the good of all life?
You sure you're not a socialist? ;O)


the book _soil_ by David Montgomery
Do you mean, "Dirt: The Erosion of Civilizations"
http://www.amazon.com/Dirt-Civilizat...y/dp/052024870
8/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1364575426&sr=1-7&keywords=David+Montgom
ery

was yesterday's reading list entry and
while interesting and containing some
points i'd not considered before it was
rather gloomy. repeated civilizations
collapsing because they mistreated their
topsoil.
Sounds like Jarod Diamond's book "Collapse".
http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Socie...vised/dp/01431
17009/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1364575795&sr=1-1&keywords=Collapse


ironic that Cuba is one of the
brightest agricultural spots and that
because they were embargoed.
And they got thinner too! Such a deal. Blockades are international
politic's way of telling you to start a garden. Fidel also invested in
literacy, and health care.


It's going to be a tough row to hoe. Answers are being found, but
implementation is slow to non-existent. We all know that CO2 emissions
have to be curtailed, but is seems to be blocked by campaign financing,
which allows pipelines to be built to pump even more CO2 into the
atmosphere, 390 ppm and rising.

yep, it's going to be an interesting
time for the next few hundred years.
You are an optimist. Give me "predictable", and "expected" any day.
Interesting is the Delphic like, Chinese curse.

i was heartened to see that many
people in Michigan voted for a provision
to raise renewable requirements for
utilities. so it's not like people don't
care, but that they still are not a large
enough majority to force the changes
through. but if each of those people
who voted made the change with their
electricity provider directly to purchase
more green power they could already make
the change and not even need a new law
to do it. this is an option for people
and it already exists.

the counterargument to the pipeline thing
is that currently companies are shipping the
oil via rail to get around the distribution
bottleneck. which isn't very good for things
either.
Sort of like the last election. No good choices for President from the
major parties, just varying degrees of bad ones.

Extraction of tar sands oil requires vast amounts of fresh water, and
more gets polluted from spills into water ways, which is reminiscent of
mountain top removal in coal mining, and pond dumping at CAFOs.
It's called "privatizing the profits, and socializing the costs".

Anybody who is conscious must note that we just observed "World Water
Day". The fulfilment of basic human needs, our environment,
socio-economic development and poverty reduction are all heavily
dependent on water. We can't live without it, but we pollute the .375
percent of the fresh water that we have access to.

somehow though we gotta get the fossil
fuel monkey off our backs or get the
technology in place to sequester all the
CO2 from burning it plus also set up CO2
sucking plants to reduce the level back
to more reasonable levels.
Adding clean-up costs to those who create CO2 would help, as would the
purchase of clean energy by the government.

Since we will soon have 9 billion souls to feed, creating charcoal with
solar furnaces for farmlands would help grow crops, and reduce CO2.

this should already be happening no
matter what the laws and governments say.
it can be done. there's nothing technically
impossible, just gotta do it.
Bechtel is probably just waiting for a juicy government contract to get
started. All disasters are opportunities, don't you just know.


Got about half of my garden beds prepped. Even without digging, it wore
me out. Good sweat though ;O)

i can still find frozen ground here.
the sun was out most of the day and some
flowers made progress. maybe by Saturday
there will be some blooms.
I always find it odd, that here in California, gardeners can start
earlier, but then comes your longer Midwest summer days, and warmer
nights, and you leave us (me anyway in the dust). I'll be lucky to have
tomatoes by Aug.

aren't squash blooms edible?
My babies!? =0



songbird

We just had a day of rain. Today is suppose to be nice with a promise of
75F. Sunday is predicted to bring thunder storms with rain through the
week, and then it looks like the good times arrive. I need to do some
more clean up, and see what the remaining beds are going to need.Every
day, we get a little bit more sun coming over the hill.

"Though an old man, I am but a young gardener." - Thomas Jefferson

--
Remember Rachel Corrie
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

Welcome to the New America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg