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songbird wrote: Ecnerwal wrote: Billy wrote: I thank you for introducing me to Permies; http://www.permies.com/. What groups does Jay Green post in, or is it just Permies? Several farming and poultry sites; when I was researching the use of fermented feeds, his stuff came up in several places since he's someone who does it and posts about it. Be aware that permies is somewhat prone to being what its owner wants to hear - minor discussion is allowed, major disagreements vanish into thin air, leaving only what he agrees with (not even a "post deleted by moderator" message.) I thought more highly of it before I saw that happen a few times. yuck, yeah that's a turn off. I haven't been back much since then. I prefer to talk with grown ups, or wise children. i'll talk to anyone (and apparently i have no sense of knowing when someone i'm talking to is drunk because i've had several happenings that would have been better avoided had i noticed the person was smashed). I like tree and bush crops and "permanent agriculture." When lazy and efficient are the same thing, I'm all for that kind of lazy. i'm ok with some dirt moving for annual crops, cover crops, green manures and for digging up and dividing perennials. that's not the majority of what is going on here. by far the most heavy work i do each season is to try to mitigate mistakes that others are making. right now i'm looking at minimally three weeks of this season that are or will be wasted due to the negative actions of others. that's from this point. in a few weeks there might be other things added to this list. the good news is that at least by spending the extra day this week i'll head off two-thirds of a future major pile of BS. i'll take my victories where i can find them... permaculture-with-a-capital-P seems to be more about paying money to take courses to get certified to teach courses that you charge people money for so they can get certified, in my somewhat jaundiced view. I don't find it all that compelling, though it has produced some materials I think worthy of a read, so long as I'm not paying an arm and a leg for them, or required to believe (or pretend to believe) everything in them...but there are also good books on the subject that predate the certification-mad folks. yep, i was noticing this trend and then the usual call for organizing a regulating organization to make sure things were ok. all a bunch of yuck pretty similar to how "Organic" was corrupted by organizations and governmental fiddling. anyone with a little time can find quite a few good references from "the old days.". i've been working on a list the past few weeks. when i get it done and posted i'll post a link to it. i like to go around and look at projects and see if they've lasted and what the results have been. some are quite impressive. others folded due to lack of funding (it wasn't really permaculture then was it?) yet, if they've improved an area even a little and made it better then at least they've not done as much harm as could be done by more destructive methods. the bones of projects are well worth examining. you can learn a lot. what works years later even when the maintenance folks are gone are the kinds of things you want to do yourself. learning by observing. songbird Besides the BBCs A Farm for a Future, the book , Gaia's Garden, Second Edition: A Guide To Home-Scale Permaculture (Paperback) by Toby Hemenway http://www.amazon.com/Gaias-Garden-S...culture/dp/160 3580298/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271266976&sr=1-1 (It's at the library) is a good introduction to permaculture. Looking at some of what's available for permaculture on the internet suddenly reminds me of the dictum of one of our local madams, Sally Stanford, "Never give away anything that you can sell." -- Remember Rachel Corrie http://www.rachelcorrie.org/ Welcome to the New America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg |
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Billy wrote:
.... Besides the BBCs A Farm for a Future, the book , Gaia's Garden, Second Edition: A Guide To Home-Scale Permaculture (Paperback) by Toby Hemenway http://www.amazon.com/Gaias-Garden-S...culture/dp/160 3580298/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271266976&sr=1-1 (It's at the library) is a good introduction to permaculture. i'll add it to the list, thanks. songbird |
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On Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:01:24 PM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
Billy wrote: ... Besides the BBCs A Farm for a Future, the book , Gaia's Garden, Second Edition: A Guide To Home-Scale Permaculture (Paperback) by Toby Hemenway http://www.amazon.com/Gaias-Garden-S...culture/dp/160 3580298/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271266976&sr=1-1 (It's at the library) is a good introduction to permaculture. i'll add it to the list, thanks. songbird That link didn't wrap correctly. here it is as I see it: http://www.amazon.com/Gaias-Garden-S...6976&sr=1-1%3E ==== |
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