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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/086...29546060_email
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Against the Grain: How Agriculture Has Hijacked Civilization

The evolutionary road is littered with failed experiments, however, and
Manning suggests that agriculture as we have practiced it runs against
both our grain and nature's. Drawing on the work of anthropologists,
biologists, archaeologists, and philosophers, along with his own
travels, he argues that not only our ecological ills-overpopulation,
erosion, pollution-but our social and emotional malaise are rooted in
the devil's bargain we made in our not-so-distant past. And he offers
personal, achievable ways we might re-contour the path we have taken to
resurrect what is most sustainable and sustaining in our own nature and
the planet's.
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I know it doesn't prove anything, but at least I, and Jarod Diamond,
aren't alone in this belief.


I can't believe that I found another book to read :O(

hehehe, always more to read.

I'm doomed. I'm 10 pages into it, and it is an effortless read. The
worst thing about it is the number of books the he mentions as asides.
They fall like feathers in molting season. If you liked "Omnivore", then
you'll love
Against the Grain: How Agriculture Has Hijacked Civilization
http://www.amazon.com/Against-Grain-...ivilization/dp
/0865477132/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1368389425&sr=1-1&keywords=Aga
inst+the+grain+%3A+how+agriculture+has+hijacked+ci vilization+%2F+Richard+
Manning

From Booklist
A growing body of somewhat controversial scholarship ties the beginnings
of war to the "culture of scarcity" that emerged with the invention,
sometime in the Neolithic era and probably in the eastern Mediterranean,
of agriculture. Before that, these theorists contend, humans lived as
hunter-gatherers who were, far from the common vision of the
half-starved caveman, quite comfortable and well-fed, because their diet
was both varied and seasonal. The investment of time and energy to grow
a few crops led, paradoxically, to both great excess and horrific want;
when the crops failed, famine followed among people whose population had
swelled beyond the small tribes of the earlier peoples. These theories
are regularly bruited about at academic meetings, but rarely are they
the subject of popular writing (Daniel Quinn's 1992 novel Ishmael
constitutes an exception). Manning brings theory to life with
well-crafted essays that cover such diverse subjects as the Irish potato
famine and the controversy over bioengineered plants. Readable and
well-researched, this book unsettles as it informs.
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I have a sinking feeling.

Tomatoland : how modern industrial agriculture destroyed our most
alluring fruit
http://www.amazon.com/Tomatoland-Ind...stroyed-Alluri
ng/dp/1449423450/ref=sr_1_1_title_0_main?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=136839 0807&s
r=1-1&keywords=Tomatoland+%3A+how+modern+industrial+ag riculture+destroyed
+our+most+alluring+fruit

Looks like it is good too :O(


The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food by
Kaayla T. Daniel
http://www.amazon.com/Whole-Soy-Stor.../0967089751/re
f=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1368391029&sr=1-1&keywords=The+whole+soy+sto
ry+%3A+the+dark+side+of+America%27s+favorite+healt h+food+%2F+Kaayla+T.+Da
niel.

Too early to tell. The writing seems a little pedantic to my taste, but
all the elements for a good, corporate conspiracy are here.


I think I'm running out of bookmarks.

--
Remember Rachel Corrie
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

Welcome to the New America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg

Billy wrote:
songbird wrote:
Billy wrote:
....
I can't believe that I found another book to read :O(

hehehe, always more to read.

I'm doomed. I'm 10 pages into it, and it is an effortless read. The
worst thing about it is the number of books the he mentions as asides.
They fall like feathers in molting season.

haha. what year was it published?

i'll put it on the list.

Tomatoland is already on it.

i think you'll enjoy _Debt_, the first 5,000 years
by Graeber.


If you liked "Omnivore", then
you'll love
Against the Grain: How Agriculture Has Hijacked Civilization

i'll add it to the list too.

....
The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food by
Kaayla T. Daniel
http://www.amazon.com/Whole-Soy-Stor.../0967089751/re
f=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1368391029&sr=1-1&keywords=The+whole+soy+sto
ry+%3A+the+dark+side+of+America%27s+favorite+healt h+food+%2F+Kaayla+T.+Da
niel.

Too early to tell. The writing seems a little pedantic to my taste, but
all the elements for a good, corporate conspiracy are here.


I think I'm running out of bookmarks.




songbird

In article ,
songbird wrote:

Billy wrote:
songbird wrote:
Billy wrote:
...
I can't believe that I found another book to read :O(

hehehe, always more to read.

I'm doomed. I'm 10 pages into it, and it is an effortless read. The
worst thing about it is the number of books the he mentions as asides.
They fall like feathers in molting season.

haha. what year was it published?

North Point Press, 2004., according to the library.
North Point Press; 1st edition (January 13, 2005) according to Amazon.


i'll put it on the list.

Tomatoland is already on it.

i think you'll enjoy _Debt_, the first 5,000 years
by Graeber.
534 pages, huh? I'll get you for this, bird.

Maybe I could interest you in "Animal Factory: The Looming Threat of
Industrial Pig, Dairy, and Poultry Farms to Humans and the Environment
by David Kirby
http://www.amazon.com/Animal-Factory...vironment/dp/B
004IK9EJQ/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1368423484&sr=1-1

It practically reads itself,honest, and is only 512 pages.

or The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism
by Naomi Klein
http://www.amazon.com/Shock-Doctrine...lism/dp/031242
7999/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1368423694&sr=1-1&keywords=Shock+Doct
rine

Who knew Milton Friedman sold Neo-liberal economics to Russia, China,
and the Chilean dictator, Pinochet?


If you liked "Omnivore", then
you'll love
Against the Grain: How Agriculture Has Hijacked Civilization

i'll add it to the list too.

...
The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food by
Kaayla T. Daniel
http://www.amazon.com/Whole-Soy-Stor.../0967089751/re
f=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1368391029&sr=1-1&keywords=The+whole+soy+sto
ry+%3A+the+dark+side+of+America%27s+favorite+healt h+food+%2F+Kaayla+T.+Da
niel.

Too early to tell. The writing seems a little pedantic to my taste, but
all the elements for a good, corporate conspiracy are here.


I think I'm running out of bookmarks.




songbird

and I still have a pound or 2 of " A People's History of the United
States: 1492-Present",
by Howard Zinn
to read. Oy.

--
Remember Rachel Corrie
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

Welcome to the New America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg

Billy wrote:
songbird wrote:
Billy wrote:
songbird wrote:
Billy wrote:
...
I can't believe that I found another book to read :O(

hehehe, always more to read.

I'm doomed. I'm 10 pages into it, and it is an effortless read. The
worst thing about it is the number of books the he mentions as asides.
They fall like feathers in molting season.

haha. what year was it published?

North Point Press, 2004., according to the library.
North Point Press; 1st edition (January 13, 2005) according to Amazon.


i'll put it on the list.

Tomatoland is already on it.

i think you'll enjoy _Debt_, the first 5,000 years
by Graeber.
534 pages, huh? I'll get you for this, bird.

it is another interesting read, i think he
has a pretty good grasp of the topic.


Maybe I could interest you in "Animal Factory: The Looming Threat of
Industrial Pig, Dairy, and Poultry Farms to Humans and the Environment
by David Kirby
http://www.amazon.com/Animal-Factory...vironment/dp/B
004IK9EJQ/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1368423484&sr=1-1

It practically reads itself,honest, and is only 512 pages.

harhar! it sounds too much like books i've
already read (how much different from _The
Omnivores Dilemma_ is it?)


or The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism
by Naomi Klein
http://www.amazon.com/Shock-Doctrine...lism/dp/031242
7999/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1368423694&sr=1-1&keywords=Shock+Doct
rine

Who knew Milton Friedman sold Neo-liberal economics to Russia, China,
and the Chilean dictator, Pinochet?

any history of the WMF could make almost anyone
weep.


....
and I still have a pound or 2 of " A People's History of the United
States: 1492-Present",
by Howard Zinn
to read. Oy.

still on my list for next winter... i think
i'll put tomatoland on that winter list too as
i would like to keep going on the permaculture
references for a bit yet.

much better to have enough to read than
be stuck watching tv. i keep the podcast list
topped up too when i get times to listen. i
have two rainy days forecast... almost done
with the first permaculture book by Mollison
and then will get to one other of his books
that i have on the pile.


songbird