Muggles wrote:
....
It is a terra cotta colored plastic pot with holes in the bottom, and
that plastic pot is sitting inside a metal decorative container that has
no holes.

Geez ... I've purchased similar flowers dozens of times and never ended
up with a baby snake. Now, I'll have to check every one I want to buy
for snakes!

to me that would be a bonus. i like snakes.


songbird

On 2/18/2018 11:00 AM, songbird wrote:
Muggles wrote:
...
It is a terra cotta colored plastic pot with holes in the bottom, and
that plastic pot is sitting inside a metal decorative container that has
no holes.

Geez ... I've purchased similar flowers dozens of times and never ended
up with a baby snake. Now, I'll have to check every one I want to buy
for snakes!
to me that would be a bonus. i like snakes.


songbird

Â* Depends on what kind and where . Copperheads in the rose garden get
dead .

--
Snag
Ain't no dollar sign on
peace of mind - Zac Brown

On 2/18/2018 4:23 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 2/18/2018 11:00 AM, songbird wrote:
Muggles wrote:
...
It is a terra cotta colored plastic pot with holes in the bottom, and
that plastic pot is sitting inside a metal decorative container that has
no holes.

Geez ... I've purchased similar flowers dozens of times and never ended
up with a baby snake.Â* Now, I'll have to check every one I want to buy
for snakes!
Â*Â* to me that would be a bonus.Â* i like snakes.Â*


Â*Â* songbird

Â* Depends on what kind and where . Copperheads in the rose garden get
dead .

No problem with poisonous snakes here but my wife is deathly afraid of
them.

On 2/18/2018 3:43 PM, Frank wrote:
On 2/18/2018 4:23 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 2/18/2018 11:00 AM, songbird wrote:
Muggles wrote:
...
It is a terra cotta colored plastic pot with holes in the bottom, and
that plastic pot is sitting inside a metal decorative container
that has
no holes.

Geez ... I've purchased similar flowers dozens of times and never
ended
up with a baby snake.Â* Now, I'll have to check every one I want to buy
for snakes!
Â*Â* to me that would be a bonus.Â* i like snakes.Â*


Â*Â* songbird

Â*Â* Depends on what kind and where . Copperheads in the rose garden
get dead .

No problem with poisonous snakes here but my wife is deathly afraid of
them.

Â* We're not particularly afraid of them , just think there are some
places they don't belong . It was pure chance that I didn't get bit
while cleaning up some leaves and clutter while building the deck .
He/it struck the piece of glass in my hand ... big'un too , over 30" .
That makes 3 in the last 5 years , another was in the wood pile , and
one in some firewood out in the orchard that I was moving to the woodlot .

--
Snag
Ain't no dollar sign on
peace of mind - Zac Brown

On 2/18/2018 8:40 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 2/18/2018 3:43 PM, Frank wrote:
On 2/18/2018 4:23 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 2/18/2018 11:00 AM, songbird wrote:
Muggles wrote:
...
It is a terra cotta colored plastic pot with holes in the bottom, and
that plastic pot is sitting inside a metal decorative container
that has
no holes.

Geez ... I've purchased similar flowers dozens of times and never
ended
up with a baby snake.Â* Now, I'll have to check every one I want to buy
for snakes!
Â*Â* to me that would be a bonus.Â* i like snakes.Â*


Â*Â* songbird

Â*Â* Depends on what kind and where . Copperheads in the rose garden
get dead .

No problem with poisonous snakes here but my wife is deathly afraid of
them.

Â* We're not particularly afraid of them , just think there are some
places they don't belong . It was pure chance that I didn't get bit
while cleaning up some leaves and clutter while building the deck .
He/it struck the piece of glass in my hand ... big'un too , over 30" .
That makes 3 in the last 5 years , another was in the wood pile , and
one in some firewood out in the orchard that I was moving to the woodlot .


So, how do you go about checking leaves and woodpiles for snakes? Do you
have a 10foot pole?

--
Maggie

On 2/18/2018 10:16 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/18/2018 8:40 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 2/18/2018 3:43 PM, Frank wrote:
On 2/18/2018 4:23 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 2/18/2018 11:00 AM, songbird wrote:
Muggles wrote:
...
It is a terra cotta colored plastic pot with holes in the bottom, and
that plastic pot is sitting inside a metal decorative container
that has
no holes.

Geez ... I've purchased similar flowers dozens of times and never
ended
up with a baby snake.Â* Now, I'll have to check every one I want to buy
for snakes!
Â*Â* to me that would be a bonus.Â* i like snakes.Â*


Â*Â* songbird
Â*Â* Depends on what kind and where . Copperheads in the rose garden
get dead .

No problem with poisonous snakes here but my wife is deathly afraid of
them.
Â* We're not particularly afraid of them , just think there are some
places they don't belong . It was pure chance that I didn't get bit
while cleaning up some leaves and clutter while building the deck .
He/it struck the piece of glass in my hand ... big'un too , over 30" .
That makes 3 in the last 5 years , another was in the wood pile , and
one in some firewood out in the orchard that I was moving to the woodlot .

So, how do you go about checking leaves and woodpiles for snakes? Do you
have a 10foot pole?

Â* No , you just look carefully before you go sticking your hands in
there . Problem is that copperheads are damn near invisible when lying
still in a pile of leaves . I like to disturb leaves with a rake or
something before putting my hands near . On the occasion I almost got
bit I was picking up broken glass up next to the house , there were some
leaves blown up against the foundation . I saw the snake about the time
he hit the glass . The reason he was there is food . The bird seed
feeders are close by , and ground squirrels and other small critters
like to glean the seed the birds knock out on to the ground .

--
Snag
Ain't no dollar sign on
peace of mind - Zac Brown

On 2/18/2018 11:36 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 2/18/2018 10:16 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/18/2018 8:40 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 2/18/2018 3:43 PM, Frank wrote:
On 2/18/2018 4:23 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 2/18/2018 11:00 AM, songbird wrote:
Muggles wrote:
...
It is a terra cotta colored plastic pot with holes in the bottom,
and
that plastic pot is sitting inside a metal decorative container
that has
no holes.

Geez ... I've purchased similar flowers dozens of times and never
ended
up with a baby snake.Â* Now, I'll have to check every one I want
to buy
for snakes!
Â*Â*Â* to me that would be a bonus.Â* i like snakes.Â*


Â*Â*Â* songbird
Â*Â*Â* Depends on what kind and where . Copperheads in the rose garden
get dead .

No problem with poisonous snakes here but my wife is deathly afraid of
them.
Â*Â* We're not particularly afraid of them , just think there are some
places they don't belong . It was pure chance that I didn't get bit
while cleaning up some leaves and clutter while building the deck .
He/it struck the piece of glass in my hand ... big'un too , over 30" .
That makes 3 in the last 5 years , another was in the wood pile , and
one in some firewood out in the orchard that I was moving to the
woodlot .

So, how do you go about checking leaves and woodpiles for snakes? Do you
have a 10foot pole?

Â* No , you just look carefully before you go sticking your hands in
there . Problem is that copperheads are damn near invisible when lying
still in a pile of leaves . I like to disturb leaves with a rake or
something before putting my hands near . On the occasion I almost got
bit I was picking up broken glass up next to the house , there were some
leaves blown up against the foundation . I saw the snake about the time
he hit the glass . The reason he was there is food . The bird seed
feeders are close by , and ground squirrels and other small critters
like to glean the seed the birds knock out on to the ground .

I sometimes had to go to a plant in North Carolina and coworker invited
me for dinner and showing property told me not to step off lawn into
adjacent field. Problem not only copperheads but ticks carrying Rocky
Mountain Spotted fever. Copperheads must not be too bad as another
coworker told me he had to take cats to vet several times because of
copperhead bites.

We are said to have a few around here in an isolated area but only
snakes I see a are black snakes and garter. Wife came running in
screaming off the deck last summer as sitting there she heard a sound at
the bottom a the deck and got up to see a big black snake caught in deer
netting. Deck was 10 ft and snake was captured but she ran.

I usually see one or two every summer and have had to release 3 large
black snakes tangled in the netting.

On 2/18/2018 10:36 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 2/18/2018 10:16 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 2/18/2018 8:40 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 2/18/2018 3:43 PM, Frank wrote:
On 2/18/2018 4:23 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 2/18/2018 11:00 AM, songbird wrote:
Muggles wrote:
...
It is a terra cotta colored plastic pot with holes in the bottom,
and
that plastic pot is sitting inside a metal decorative container
that has
no holes.

Geez ... I've purchased similar flowers dozens of times and never
ended
up with a baby snake.Â* Now, I'll have to check every one I want
to buy
for snakes!
Â*Â*Â* to me that would be a bonus.Â* i like snakes.Â*


Â*Â*Â* songbird
Â*Â*Â* Depends on what kind and where . Copperheads in the rose garden
get dead .

No problem with poisonous snakes here but my wife is deathly afraid of
them.
Â*Â* We're not particularly afraid of them , just think there are some
places they don't belong . It was pure chance that I didn't get bit
while cleaning up some leaves and clutter while building the deck .
He/it struck the piece of glass in my hand ... big'un too , over 30" .
That makes 3 in the last 5 years , another was in the wood pile , and
one in some firewood out in the orchard that I was moving to the
woodlot .

So, how do you go about checking leaves and woodpiles for snakes? Do you
have a 10foot pole?

Â* No , you just look carefully before you go sticking your hands in
there . Problem is that copperheads are damn near invisible when lying
still in a pile of leaves . I like to disturb leaves with a rake or
something before putting my hands near . On the occasion I almost got
bit I was picking up broken glass up next to the house , there were some
leaves blown up against the foundation . I saw the snake about the time
he hit the glass . The reason he was there is food . The bird seed
feeders are close by , and ground squirrels and other small critters
like to glean the seed the birds knock out on to the ground .


I think I would move the bird seed feeders away from the house. lol

--
Maggie

On 2/18/2018 11:00 AM, songbird wrote:
Muggles wrote:
...
It is a terra cotta colored plastic pot with holes in the bottom, and
that plastic pot is sitting inside a metal decorative container that has
no holes.

Geez ... I've purchased similar flowers dozens of times and never ended
up with a baby snake. Now, I'll have to check every one I want to buy
for snakes!

to me that would be a bonus. i like snakes.


songbird


Well... those snakes are good for the garden, but the last place I
expected to see one is crawling on my bathroom carpet. lol

--
Maggie

On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 12:00:58 -0500, songbird
wrote:

to me that would be a bonus. i like snakes.

Last summer, I had a large garter snake sunning himself on the gravel
greenhouse floor. Hopefully he was after the mice that occasionally
eat seedlings! I trap them, but never (of course) get them all. (The
mice, not the snakes). A nice big milk snake would be even better!

Only barely related: has anybody else tried LED grow lights for plant
starting. More pricy than cheapo shoplights (which I fitted with
solid-state ballasts- worth it in lower power use), but way more light
for the power use.


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Gary Woods wrote:
....
Only barely related: has anybody else tried LED grow lights for plant
starting. More pricy than cheapo shoplights (which I fitted with
solid-state ballasts- worth it in lower power use), but way more light
for the power use.

not yet and probably won't any time soon. i just
don't have the room for starting things here.

one of the factors from the previous lights was that
they also put out a certain amount of heat which can be
important for growth/germination. so in the end the
energy savings may not be there if you have to make up
for the heat differences.

if you've already spent the $ for new bulbs and
ballasts i'd probably keep with those until the bulbs
and/or ballast failed and were due for replacing.

we got almost 20yrs out of the shop lights/bulbs we
were using.

it is really down to the math though in the end. if
you use them enough to make it worth it...

our almost whole house light bulb switching to LEDs
will pay us back pretty quickly and we have much better
lighting now than before.


songbird

On 2/19/2018 11:47 AM, songbird wrote:
Gary Woods wrote:
...
Only barely related: has anybody else tried LED grow lights for plant
starting. More pricy than cheapo shoplights (which I fitted with
solid-state ballasts- worth it in lower power use), but way more light
for the power use.

not yet and probably won't any time soon. i just
don't have the room for starting things here.

one of the factors from the previous lights was that
they also put out a certain amount of heat which can be
important for growth/germination. so in the end the
energy savings may not be there if you have to make up
for the heat differences.

if you've already spent the $ for new bulbs and
ballasts i'd probably keep with those until the bulbs
and/or ballast failed and were due for replacing.

we got almost 20yrs out of the shop lights/bulbs we
were using.

it is really down to the math though in the end. if
you use them enough to make it worth it...

our almost whole house light bulb switching to LEDs
will pay us back pretty quickly and we have much better
lighting now than before.


songbird

Looking at internet I think it best to buy LED lights designed for
growing plants as their output is in the most useful part of the spectra
for plants. You would not like them in the house for normal use as they
would be a different color.

Frank wrote:
....
Looking at internet I think it best to buy LED lights designed for
growing plants as their output is in the most useful part of the spectra
for plants. You would not like them in the house for normal use as they
would be a different color.

yes, and perhaps look into UV protection too that
would be needed. you don't want to mess up your eyes
or have skin troubles...


songbird

On 02/19/2018 02:44 PM, songbird wrote:
Frank wrote:
...
Looking at internet I think it best to buy LED lights designed for
growing plants as their output is in the most useful part of the spectra
for plants. You would not like them in the house for normal use as they
would be a different color.

yes, and perhaps look into UV protection too that
would be needed. you don't want to mess up your eyes
or have skin troubles...


songbird


Hi Songbird,

Usually, pl;ants use red and blue for photosynthesis,
but not always. here is a fun article on ti:

What colors of light are used in land plant photosynthesis?
http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=2550

The color of light used for photosynthesis depends
on the pigment in the plant.For example, green plants'
with chlorophylls and carotenoids have a maximum
activity with violet-blue and red light. Basically,
whatever color the plant is, that is the color of
light that it is reflecting instead of absorbing
and using for photosynthesis. If you click on the
different links I have included, it will take you
to different wikipedia pages that provide additional
information.

So, basically, the color you see on the leaves is the
color it is NOT using.

:-)

-T

On 02/20/2018 02:27 PM, T wrote:
On 02/19/2018 02:44 PM, songbird wrote:
Frank wrote:
...
Looking at internet I think it best to buy LED lights designed for
growing plants as their output is in the most useful part of the spectra
for plants.Â* You would not like them in the house for normal use as they
would be a different color.

Â*Â* yes, and perhaps look into UV protection too that
would be needed.Â* you don't want to mess up your eyes
or have skin troubles...


Â*Â* songbird


Hi Songbird,

Usually, pl;ants use red and blue for photosynthesis,
but not always.Â* here is a fun article on ti:

What colors of light are used in land plant photosynthesis?
http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=2550

Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* The color of light used for photosynthesis depends
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* on the pigment in the plant.For example, green plants'
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* with chlorophylls and carotenoids have a maximum
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* activity with violet-blue and red light. Basically,
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* whatever color the plant is, that is the color of
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* light that it is reflecting instead of absorbing
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* and using for photosynthesis. If you click on the
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* different links I have included, it will take you
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* to different wikipedia pages that provide additional
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* information.

So, basically, the color you see on the leaves is the
color it is NOT using.

:-)

-T


Oh ya, plant light tend to leave off the green