|
Low carb, high fat cute garden plants?
Veggies and such that you can grow like that usually aren't high fat..
spinach is great if you like it and is usually easy to grow.. Teeb "Ignoramus2437" wrote in message ... I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have a concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a monster tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately adjacent to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant a lawn elsewhere). My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants that are not grains. I live in Zone 5 (N Illinois). One plant that I can think of is sunflowers. Maybe I will throw some corn into it, for looks and for other members of my family, but I am looking for other suggestions. Thanks! i |
Besides avocado or nut trees... very few plants bear high fat edibles.
Since it's already Fall... you have all winter to peruse the garden catalogs (a fun thing) and decide what to plant come spring. Jennifer Ignoramus2437 wrote: I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have a concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a monster tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately adjacent to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant a lawn elsewhere). My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants that are not grains. I live in Zone 5 (N Illinois). One plant that I can think of is sunflowers. Maybe I will throw some corn into it, for looks and for other members of my family, but I am looking for other suggestions. Thanks! i |
I live smack in the middle of the desert in the southwest US.. I had spinach
in my garden very early this past spring.. it's a great cool weather plant. I didn't water it any more than my other veggies, which is about every other day when I walk around with the hose.. I currently still have tomatoes, several kinds of chiles, cucumbers and planted my fall crop of spinach just last weekend. Also have tons of various herbs. Cooler weather can usually help deal somewhat with watering issues. Teeb "Ignoramus2437" wrote in message ... In article , Teeb wrote: Veggies and such that you can grow like that usually aren't high fat.. spinach is great if you like it and is usually easy to grow.. Spinach requires a lot of watering, I think, but you made a good point. Maybe I will also plant some peppers there also. i Teeb "Ignoramus2437" wrote in message ... I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have a concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a monster tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately adjacent to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant a lawn elsewhere). My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants that are not grains. I live in Zone 5 (N Illinois). One plant that I can think of is sunflowers. Maybe I will throw some corn into it, for looks and for other members of my family, but I am looking for other suggestions. Thanks! i |
"Ignoramus2437" wrote in message ... I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have a concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a monster tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately adjacent to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant a lawn elsewhere). My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants that are not grains. That's a foolish diet, you may lose weight for a while, but you may also die from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc., before the next year is up. Low carb diet is nothing but a scam. Bill |
"Ignoramus2437" wrote in message ... I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have a concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a monster tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately adjacent to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant a lawn elsewhere). My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants that are not grains. That's a foolish diet, you may lose weight for a while, but you may also die from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc., before the next year is up. Low carb diet is nothing but a scam. Bill |
Ignoramus2437 wrote:
That's a foolish diet, you may lose weight for a while, but you may also die from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc., before the next year is up. Bill, I am not looking to lose weight. I lost weight last year and kept it off, by eating a moderate carb diet, plenty of meat, eggs etc, about 25% of calories from carbs, calorie controlled. This is why it's not good net-iquette to cross post. People in the garden group will have opinions about your food choices. Better to post it twice individually. Jennifer |
Ignoramus2437 wrote:
That's a foolish diet, you may lose weight for a while, but you may also die from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc., before the next year is up. Bill, I am not looking to lose weight. I lost weight last year and kept it off, by eating a moderate carb diet, plenty of meat, eggs etc, about 25% of calories from carbs, calorie controlled. This is why it's not good net-iquette to cross post. People in the garden group will have opinions about your food choices. Better to post it twice individually. Jennifer |
Jennifer wrote:
Ignoramus2437 wrote: That's a foolish diet, you may lose weight for a while, but you may also die from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc., before the next year is up. Bill, I am not looking to lose weight. I lost weight last year and kept it off, by eating a moderate carb diet, plenty of meat, eggs etc, about 25% of calories from carbs, calorie controlled. This is why it's not good net-iquette to cross post. it is, in fact, proper netiquette to crosspost if the original post is relevant to more than one group. People in the garden group will have opinions about your food choices. Better to post it twice individually. like they aren't going to have an opinion on it if he posts it individually? |
Jennifer wrote:
Ignoramus2437 wrote: That's a foolish diet, you may lose weight for a while, but you may also die from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc., before the next year is up. Bill, I am not looking to lose weight. I lost weight last year and kept it off, by eating a moderate carb diet, plenty of meat, eggs etc, about 25% of calories from carbs, calorie controlled. This is why it's not good net-iquette to cross post. it is, in fact, proper netiquette to crosspost if the original post is relevant to more than one group. People in the garden group will have opinions about your food choices. Better to post it twice individually. like they aren't going to have an opinion on it if he posts it individually? |
"Ignoramus2437" wrote in message ... In article , Bill wrote: "Ignoramus2437" wrote in message ... Alright, anyhow, if we set this issue aside, do you have any garden suggestions in response to my question that Iposted oroginally? Peanuts? :) Bill |
Bill wrote:
| That's a foolish diet, you may lose weight for a while, but you may | also die from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc., | before the next year is up. | | Low carb diet is nothing but a scam. | | Bill Please cite the research to back up your claims. Oh that;s right, you can't -- because it's purely fiction! LMAO! -- Peter Before/Current Pix: http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html |
Bill wrote:
| That's a foolish diet, you may lose weight for a while, but you may | also die from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc., | before the next year is up. | | Low carb diet is nothing but a scam. | | Bill Please cite the research to back up your claims. Oh that;s right, you can't -- because it's purely fiction! LMAO! -- Peter Before/Current Pix: http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html |
Ig -
Check out this site for some ideas: http://www.ediblelandscaping.com/ I was thinking olive, but that might not work in zone 5. Ignoramus2437 wrote: || I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have || a concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the || retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a || monster tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately || adjacent to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant || a lawn elsewhere). || || My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants || that are not grains. || || I live in Zone 5 (N Illinois). || || One plant that I can think of is sunflowers. Maybe I will throw some || corn into it, for looks and for other members of my family, but I am || looking for other suggestions. || || Thanks! || || i |
Ig -
Check out this site for some ideas: http://www.ediblelandscaping.com/ I was thinking olive, but that might not work in zone 5. Ignoramus2437 wrote: || I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have || a concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the || retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a || monster tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately || adjacent to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant || a lawn elsewhere). || || My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants || that are not grains. || || I live in Zone 5 (N Illinois). || || One plant that I can think of is sunflowers. Maybe I will throw some || corn into it, for looks and for other members of my family, but I am || looking for other suggestions. || || Thanks! || || i |
I saw your earlier post talking about growing chilies - you might have to
treat your chilies plants the way you treat your olive tree if you're planning to grow them. Otherwise you'll have to seed a new batch every year. Do you have a glass house? They perform particularly well in a glass house from what I heard. "Ignoramus2437" wrote in message ... In article , Roger Zoul wrote: Ig - Check out this site for some ideas: http://www.ediblelandscaping.com/ I was thinking olive, but that might not work in zone 5. Thanks. We actually do own an olive tree, but it grows in a huge pot. We take it out for the summer and will take it inside for the winter. i Ignoramus2437 wrote: || I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have || a concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the || retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a || monster tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately || adjacent to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant || a lawn elsewhere). || || My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants || that are not grains. || || I live in Zone 5 (N Illinois). || || One plant that I can think of is sunflowers. Maybe I will throw some || corn into it, for looks and for other members of my family, but I am || looking for other suggestions. || || Thanks! || || i |
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:17:39 +0100, "Ada Ma"
wrote: I saw your earlier post talking about growing chilies - you might have to treat your chilies plants the way you treat your olive tree if you're planning to grow them. Otherwise you'll have to seed a new batch every year. You say that like it's a bad thing. Do you have a glass house? No, then I couldn't throw stones. Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" |
Bill wrote:
"Ignoramus2437" wrote in message ... I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have a concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a monster tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately adjacent to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant a lawn elsewhere). My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants that are not grains. That's a foolish diet, you may lose weight for a while, but you may also die from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc., before the next year is up. Low carb diet is nothing but a scam. Bill That explains it Bill! Thanks for the info. I ate a low carb peanut butter sandwich last year and I immediately died from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack etc., just as you said. Luckily I had my reincarnation insurance paid up, wasn't it? You are a very useful guy to have around Bill. Your in-depth knowledge and incredible insight into scams and human nutrition is something that can only be admired. I guess that avocados are poison eh Bill? What with the high fat, low carbs. Maybe they are Saddam's secret weapons of mass destruction? They are a sort of drab military green after all. Do you think that someone should whisper into Bush's ear? What do you suggest as a good diet Bill? It is obvious that you personally are thriving amazingly well on BS, but for those of us with a little more taste and discernment, coupled with a lack of access to fresh bovine created food sources, what would be a good thing? Regards David -- To reply, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted. |
Bill wrote:
"Ignoramus2437" wrote in message ... I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have a concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a monster tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately adjacent to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant a lawn elsewhere). My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants that are not grains. That's a foolish diet, you may lose weight for a while, but you may also die from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc., before the next year is up. Low carb diet is nothing but a scam. Bill That explains it Bill! Thanks for the info. I ate a low carb peanut butter sandwich last year and I immediately died from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack etc., just as you said. Luckily I had my reincarnation insurance paid up, wasn't it? You are a very useful guy to have around Bill. Your in-depth knowledge and incredible insight into scams and human nutrition is something that can only be admired. I guess that avocados are poison eh Bill? What with the high fat, low carbs. Maybe they are Saddam's secret weapons of mass destruction? They are a sort of drab military green after all. Do you think that someone should whisper into Bush's ear? What do you suggest as a good diet Bill? It is obvious that you personally are thriving amazingly well on BS, but for those of us with a little more taste and discernment, coupled with a lack of access to fresh bovine created food sources, what would be a good thing? Regards David -- To reply, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted. |
Hi Dave:
A fool you are! LOL I have no problem with you believing in a high fat, low carb diet, I find the planet overpopulated with fatso's anyway. The nutrition committee of the American Heart Association has issued a science advisory warning that high-protein diets have not been proven effective and pose health risks. The report covered the Atkins, Zone, Protein Power, Sugar Busters, and Stillman diets. The committee stated: a.. Such diets may produce short-term weight loss through dehydration. b.. Weight loss may also occur through caloric restriction resulting from the fact that the diets are relatively unpalatable. c.. The high fat content may be harmful to the cardiovascular system in the long run. d.. Any improvement in blood cholesterol levels and insulin management would be due to weight loss, not the change in composition. e.. A very high-protein diet is especially risky for patients with diabetes because it can speed the progression of diabetic kidney disease [8]. http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...opics/lcd.html Bill I ate a low carb peanut butter sandwich last year and I immediately died from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack etc., just as you said. Luckily I had my reincarnation insurance paid up, wasn't it? You are a very useful guy to have around Bill. Your in-depth knowledge and incredible insight into scams and human nutrition is something that can only be admired. I guess that avocados are poison eh Bill? What with the high fat, low carbs. Maybe they are Saddam's secret weapons of mass destruction? They are a sort of drab military green after all. Do you think that someone should whisper into Bush's ear? What do you suggest as a good diet Bill? It is obvious that you personally are thriving amazingly well on BS, but for those of us with a little more taste and discernment, coupled with a lack of access to fresh bovine created food sources, what would be a good thing? Regards David |
"marengo" wrote in message ... Bill wrote: | That's a foolish diet, you may lose weight for a while, but you may | also die from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc., | before the next year is up. | | Low carb diet is nothing but a scam. | | Bill Please cite the research to back up your claims. http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...opics/lcd.html There is plenty of research to back up my claim, problem is that fat people won't believe it. Being fat is being lazy and being lazy means that you are looking for a panacea. You can lose weight with any diet, but to lose weight with high fat, low carbs permanently, you have to die, and die you will, as Dr. Atkins did at 258 lbs with conditions arising from his cardiomyopathy, a lack of blood flow. The Bottom Line Although short-range studies have found that low-carbohydrate diets can produce weight loss, no study has demonstrated that such diets are safe or effective for long-term use [11-14,22,23]. Atkins advocated his diet for more than 30 years and stated that more than 60,000 patients treated at his center had used his diet as their primary protocol. However, he never published any study in which people who used his program were monitored over a period of several years. The recent popularity of low-carbohydrate diets has encouraged food companies to market low-carbohydrate foods for people who want to "watch their carbs." Most of these foods are much higher in fat than the foods they are designed to replace. I believe that "low-carb" advertising is encouraging both dieters and nondieters to eat high-fat foods, which is exactly the opposite of what medical and nutrition authorities have been urging for decades. Following a low-carbohydrate diet under medical supervision may make sense for some people, but a population-wide increase in fat consumption is a recipe for disaster. For Additional Information a.. American Heart Association Statement on High Protein Diets b.. atkinsfacts.org: Archive of documents about the Atkins diet Oh that;s right, you can't -- because it's purely fiction! LMAO! The joke is on you fat boy! LOL Bill -- Peter Before/Current Pix: http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html |
"marengo" wrote in message ... Bill wrote: | That's a foolish diet, you may lose weight for a while, but you may | also die from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc., | before the next year is up. | | Low carb diet is nothing but a scam. | | Bill Please cite the research to back up your claims. http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...opics/lcd.html There is plenty of research to back up my claim, problem is that fat people won't believe it. Being fat is being lazy and being lazy means that you are looking for a panacea. You can lose weight with any diet, but to lose weight with high fat, low carbs permanently, you have to die, and die you will, as Dr. Atkins did at 258 lbs with conditions arising from his cardiomyopathy, a lack of blood flow. The Bottom Line Although short-range studies have found that low-carbohydrate diets can produce weight loss, no study has demonstrated that such diets are safe or effective for long-term use [11-14,22,23]. Atkins advocated his diet for more than 30 years and stated that more than 60,000 patients treated at his center had used his diet as their primary protocol. However, he never published any study in which people who used his program were monitored over a period of several years. The recent popularity of low-carbohydrate diets has encouraged food companies to market low-carbohydrate foods for people who want to "watch their carbs." Most of these foods are much higher in fat than the foods they are designed to replace. I believe that "low-carb" advertising is encouraging both dieters and nondieters to eat high-fat foods, which is exactly the opposite of what medical and nutrition authorities have been urging for decades. Following a low-carbohydrate diet under medical supervision may make sense for some people, but a population-wide increase in fat consumption is a recipe for disaster. For Additional Information a.. American Heart Association Statement on High Protein Diets b.. atkinsfacts.org: Archive of documents about the Atkins diet Oh that;s right, you can't -- because it's purely fiction! LMAO! The joke is on you fat boy! LOL Bill -- Peter Before/Current Pix: http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html |
Bill said:
"Ignoramus2437" wrote in message ... I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have a concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a monster tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately adjacent to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant a lawn elsewhere). My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants that are not grains. Nuts are things you could grow that contain good fats with omega-3s. Purslane, a green, is also a source of omega-3s. Sunflower oil has a pretty good fat profile (still more omega-6 than olive oil, but less than corn and soybean oil). Nuts might be the hardest thing to grow at home as you would need space and would have to fight off the squirrels. Pick a type that suits your climate (examples, hazelnuts in Oregon, pecans in Georgia, hickory nuts in Indiana). That's a foolish diet, you may lose weight for a while, but you may also die from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc., before the next year is up. The problem is the fat profile of modern domestic animals vs. the wild animals our ancestors ate. Fat from domestic animals is high in saturated acids. Fat from wild animals has plenty monosaturated fats and is high in omega-3 fatty acids. The closest we could come these days to a real 'paleo diet' would be very lean meats with plenty of olive oil and nuts plus plenty of fatty fish like salmon and sardines. (Polyunsaturated vegetable fats are high in omega-6 fatty acids, no real help.) The October issue of Discover touches on this in a feature article titled 'The Inuit Paradox.' Side comment #1: Quite alarmingly, this morning's newspaper front page warned of dioxin contamination if wild game. So even wild game isn't what it used to be. Side comment #2: I have kind of a problem with the whole low-carb thing. Limiting high-glycemic foods is sensible. Avoiding highly processed foods is sensible. Eating a lot of meat from grain-fed, confined animals and the wrong sorts of fats isn't. Someone close to me went on the original Atkins diet. He developed kidney stones and ended up not so much later with inoperable cancer. Soured me on the concept. -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
Bill said:
"Ignoramus2437" wrote in message ... I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have a concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a monster tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately adjacent to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant a lawn elsewhere). My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants that are not grains. Nuts are things you could grow that contain good fats with omega-3s. Purslane, a green, is also a source of omega-3s. Sunflower oil has a pretty good fat profile (still more omega-6 than olive oil, but less than corn and soybean oil). Nuts might be the hardest thing to grow at home as you would need space and would have to fight off the squirrels. Pick a type that suits your climate (examples, hazelnuts in Oregon, pecans in Georgia, hickory nuts in Indiana). That's a foolish diet, you may lose weight for a while, but you may also die from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc., before the next year is up. The problem is the fat profile of modern domestic animals vs. the wild animals our ancestors ate. Fat from domestic animals is high in saturated acids. Fat from wild animals has plenty monosaturated fats and is high in omega-3 fatty acids. The closest we could come these days to a real 'paleo diet' would be very lean meats with plenty of olive oil and nuts plus plenty of fatty fish like salmon and sardines. (Polyunsaturated vegetable fats are high in omega-6 fatty acids, no real help.) The October issue of Discover touches on this in a feature article titled 'The Inuit Paradox.' Side comment #1: Quite alarmingly, this morning's newspaper front page warned of dioxin contamination if wild game. So even wild game isn't what it used to be. Side comment #2: I have kind of a problem with the whole low-carb thing. Limiting high-glycemic foods is sensible. Avoiding highly processed foods is sensible. Eating a lot of meat from grain-fed, confined animals and the wrong sorts of fats isn't. Someone close to me went on the original Atkins diet. He developed kidney stones and ended up not so much later with inoperable cancer. Soured me on the concept. -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
Bill, do you realize how hysterically funny your post is?!
Bill wrote: | | a.. Such diets may produce short-term weight loss through | dehydration. Geez, I've lost 55 pounds of water so far! LMAO! b.. Weight loss may also occur through caloric | restriction resulting from the fact that the diets are relatively | unpalatable. Yup, bacon,eggs, cheese, steaks, and vegetables are so much more unpalatable that dry toast and rice cakes! *wiping eyes* Stop! My sides hurt too much from laughing! c.. The high fat content may be harmful to the | cardiovascular system in the long run. Heeheeheeheheehee. My total cholesterol dropped from 232 to 187, blood pressure to 120/70, and tricglycerides from 635 to 217 on Atkins. Which is supposed to hurt my CV systemmo the lower blood pressure, the low ercholesterol or the lower triglycerides?? ROFLMAO! | d.. Any improvement in blood cholesterol levels and insulin | management would be due to weight loss, not the change in composition. Um, isn't that the point? | e.. A very high-protein diet is especially risky for patients with | diabetes because it can speed the progression of diabetic kidney | disease [8]. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one! Let's see, I have to take no medication for my T2 diabetes because its';s controlled completely with my low-carb diet. My blood glucose is consistently normal. High blood sugars cause kidney disease. Guess you lose this one too! | http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...opics/lcd.html You're the quack. Get educated. Oh wait. My guess is that you're either PETA or PCRM, both with a vested interest in not wanting people to eat meat. Bet that doesn't slant your point of view, does it? In a way I feel sorry for you, because you are so misinformed and stupid enough to promote the tired old Lies that no one listens to any more. Maybe you could switch careers and find some nice snake oil to sell? |-- Peter Before/Current Pix: http://users.thelink.net/marengo/wei...htlosspix.html |
Pat Kiewicz wrote:
|| Side comment #2: || I have kind of a problem with the whole low-carb thing. Limiting || high-glycemic || foods is sensible. Avoiding highly processed foods is sensible. || Eating a lot || of meat from grain-fed, confined animals and the wrong sorts of fats || isn't. || Someone close to me went on the original Atkins diet. He developed || kidney || stones and ended up not so much later with inoperable cancer. || Soured me || on the concept. Side comment #1: Why do you assume that low-carbers eat a lot of meat? Side comment #2: what makes you think that your friend got kidney stones and ended up not o much later with inoperable cancer as a result of low carb? Side comment #3: if you're soured on the concept, it because you're a simpleton. |
Pat Kiewicz wrote:
|| Side comment #2: || I have kind of a problem with the whole low-carb thing. Limiting || high-glycemic || foods is sensible. Avoiding highly processed foods is sensible. || Eating a lot || of meat from grain-fed, confined animals and the wrong sorts of fats || isn't. || Someone close to me went on the original Atkins diet. He developed || kidney || stones and ended up not so much later with inoperable cancer. || Soured me || on the concept. Side comment #1: Why do you assume that low-carbers eat a lot of meat? Side comment #2: what makes you think that your friend got kidney stones and ended up not o much later with inoperable cancer as a result of low carb? Side comment #3: if you're soured on the concept, it because you're a simpleton. |
"marengo" wrote in message ... Bill, do you realize how hysterically funny your post is?! Bill wrote: | | a.. Such diets may produce short-term weight loss through | dehydration. Geez, I've lost 55 pounds of water so far! LMAO! b.. Weight loss may also occur through caloric | restriction resulting from the fact that the diets are relatively | unpalatable. Yup, bacon,eggs, cheese, steaks, and vegetables are so much more unpalatable Yeah, but geez, how much bacon and eggs and steak can you eat? At least throw some fish and chicken in there. I have red meat once a week and that's plenty fine. that dry toast and rice cakes! *wiping eyes* Stop! My sides hurt too much from laughing! Funny, but there are plenty of people from around the world that eat diets high in carbohydrates that are not fat and have high life expectancies. It's not the carbs killing you, it's the amount of calories you eat. Eat less and you lose weight. Simple equation. |
"Roger Zoul" wrote in message ... Pat Kiewicz wrote: || Side comment #2: || I have kind of a problem with the whole low-carb thing. Limiting || high-glycemic || foods is sensible. Avoiding highly processed foods is sensible. || Eating a lot || of meat from grain-fed, confined animals and the wrong sorts of fats || isn't. || Someone close to me went on the original Atkins diet. He developed || kidney || stones and ended up not so much later with inoperable cancer. || Soured me || on the concept. Side comment #1: Why do you assume that low-carbers eat a lot of meat? Side comment #2: what makes you think that your friend got kidney stones and ended up not o much later with inoperable cancer as a result of low carb? Side comment #3: if you're soured on the concept, it because you're a simpleton. Side comment to #3. Name calling won't help you change someone's view. |
"Roger Zoul" wrote in message ... Pat Kiewicz wrote: || Side comment #2: || I have kind of a problem with the whole low-carb thing. Limiting || high-glycemic || foods is sensible. Avoiding highly processed foods is sensible. || Eating a lot || of meat from grain-fed, confined animals and the wrong sorts of fats || isn't. || Someone close to me went on the original Atkins diet. He developed || kidney || stones and ended up not so much later with inoperable cancer. || Soured me || on the concept. Side comment #1: Why do you assume that low-carbers eat a lot of meat? Side comment #2: what makes you think that your friend got kidney stones and ended up not o much later with inoperable cancer as a result of low carb? Side comment #3: if you're soured on the concept, it because you're a simpleton. Side comment to #3. Name calling won't help you change someone's view. |
FDR wrote:
|| "Roger Zoul" wrote in message || ... ||| Pat Kiewicz wrote: ||| ||||| Side comment #2: ||||| I have kind of a problem with the whole low-carb thing. Limiting ||||| high-glycemic ||||| foods is sensible. Avoiding highly processed foods is sensible. ||||| Eating a lot ||||| of meat from grain-fed, confined animals and the wrong sorts of ||||| fats isn't. ||||| Someone close to me went on the original Atkins diet. He ||||| developed kidney ||||| stones and ended up not so much later with inoperable cancer. ||||| Soured me ||||| on the concept. ||| ||| Side comment #1: Why do you assume that low-carbers eat a lot of ||| meat? ||| ||| Side comment #2: what makes you think that your friend got kidney ||| stones and ended up not o much later with inoperable cancer as a ||| result of low carb? ||| ||| Side comment #3: if you're soured on the concept, it because you're ||| a simpleton. || || Side comment to #3. Name calling won't help you change someone's || view. Side comment to side comment to #3. I'm not interested in changing someone view. That almost never happens on usenet. |
FDR wrote:
|| "marengo" wrote in message || ... ||| Bill, do you realize how hysterically funny your post is?! ||| ||| Bill wrote: |||| |||| a.. Such diets may produce short-term weight loss through |||| dehydration. ||| ||| Geez, I've lost 55 pounds of water so far! LMAO! ||| ||| b.. Weight loss may also occur through caloric |||| restriction resulting from the fact that the diets are relatively |||| unpalatable. ||| ||| Yup, bacon,eggs, cheese, steaks, and vegetables are so much more ||| unpalatable || || Yeah, but geez, how much bacon and eggs and steak can you eat? At || least throw some fish and chicken in there. I have red meat once a || week and that's plenty fine. I rarely eat bacon and steak and certainly eat less red meat than you and I've been LCing for 3 years. || ||| that dry toast and rice cakes! ||| *wiping eyes* Stop! My sides hurt too much from laughing! || || Funny, but there are plenty of people from around the world that eat || diets high in carbohydrates that are not fat and have high life || expectancies. It's not the carbs killing you, it's the amount of || calories you eat. Eat less and you lose weight. Simple equation. That is exactly what LC allows most people to do, eat less and lose weight. Many people who eat diets high in carbs have BG swings that stimulate appetite. Many of those people are very overweight and will stay that way if the continue on a high carb diet. Simple equations are all that folks with simple minds can handle. The real world is often not so simple. |
Blah,Blah,Blah,
You don't get it at all. It is the release of insulin that makes us fat. If the insulin release is not there or controlled by a low carb diet then you will not store the fat you take in. Simple as that.. Jennifer S. 206/159/135 |
|
Ignoramus2437 wrote:
I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have a concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a monster tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately adjacent to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant a lawn elsewhere). My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants that are not grains. I live in Zone 5 (N Illinois). One plant that I can think of is sunflowers. Maybe I will throw some corn into it, for looks and for other members of my family, but I am looking for other suggestions. Thanks! Green beans, peppers, lettuces, zucchini (big plants), spaghetti squash (train it and trim it back it can send out 12 foot vines without stopping) or other squash, eggplant(not sure if you get enough heat in zone 5). Broccoli and to a lesser extent cauliflower(only develops one head then stops). I did kerby cucumbers and made my own pickle varieties. COrn takes a lot of space and my second batch of the season was eaten by bugs and a near total failure. I can't imagine not growing tomatoes! I went on maintenance for the summer/fall harvest so I could enjoy anything I wanted from the garden. After all it may be carbs but a lot healthier than say... sugar cookies. Has worked well since I don't hesitate to eat grape-sized tomatoes from the vine in the garden or slice-&-salt tomatoes in the kitchen as an afternoon snack. I tried canteloupe and watermelon this year but I messed them up with spacing and I got two 3" canteloupes. :-( Next year I will do better. DiGiTAL ViNYL (no email) Zone 6b/7, Westchester Co, NY, 1 mile off L.I.Sound 2nd year gardener http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/royalfrazier/ |
Ignoramus2437 wrote:
I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have a concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a monster tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately adjacent to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant a lawn elsewhere). My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants that are not grains. I live in Zone 5 (N Illinois). One plant that I can think of is sunflowers. Maybe I will throw some corn into it, for looks and for other members of my family, but I am looking for other suggestions. Thanks! Green beans, peppers, lettuces, zucchini (big plants), spaghetti squash (train it and trim it back it can send out 12 foot vines without stopping) or other squash, eggplant(not sure if you get enough heat in zone 5). Broccoli and to a lesser extent cauliflower(only develops one head then stops). I did kerby cucumbers and made my own pickle varieties. COrn takes a lot of space and my second batch of the season was eaten by bugs and a near total failure. I can't imagine not growing tomatoes! I went on maintenance for the summer/fall harvest so I could enjoy anything I wanted from the garden. After all it may be carbs but a lot healthier than say... sugar cookies. Has worked well since I don't hesitate to eat grape-sized tomatoes from the vine in the garden or slice-&-salt tomatoes in the kitchen as an afternoon snack. I tried canteloupe and watermelon this year but I messed them up with spacing and I got two 3" canteloupes. :-( Next year I will do better. DiGiTAL ViNYL (no email) Zone 6b/7, Westchester Co, NY, 1 mile off L.I.Sound 2nd year gardener http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/royalfrazier/ |
Bill you're clueless. You know nothing about Low-carb diets. You just
said theat every doctor in the united states advises every diabetic to use a scam of a diet. Diabetics are low-carbers. Low carbing is the control of insulin. "Bill" wrote: "Ignoramus2437" wrote in message ... I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have a concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a monster tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately adjacent to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant a lawn elsewhere). My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants that are not grains. That's a foolish diet, you may lose weight for a while, but you may also die from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc., before the next year is up. Low carb diet is nothing but a scam. Bill DiGiTAL ViNYL (no email) Zone 6b/7, Westchester Co, NY, 1 mile off L.I.Sound 2nd year gardener http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/royalfrazier/ |
"Roger Zoul" wrote in message ... FDR wrote: || "Roger Zoul" wrote in message || ... ||| Pat Kiewicz wrote: ||| ||||| Side comment #2: ||||| I have kind of a problem with the whole low-carb thing. Limiting ||||| high-glycemic ||||| foods is sensible. Avoiding highly processed foods is sensible. ||||| Eating a lot ||||| of meat from grain-fed, confined animals and the wrong sorts of ||||| fats isn't. ||||| Someone close to me went on the original Atkins diet. He ||||| developed kidney ||||| stones and ended up not so much later with inoperable cancer. ||||| Soured me ||||| on the concept. ||| ||| Side comment #1: Why do you assume that low-carbers eat a lot of ||| meat? ||| ||| Side comment #2: what makes you think that your friend got kidney ||| stones and ended up not o much later with inoperable cancer as a ||| result of low carb? ||| ||| Side comment #3: if you're soured on the concept, it because you're ||| a simpleton. || || Side comment to #3. Name calling won't help you change someone's || view. Side comment to side comment to #3. I'm not interested in changing someone view. That almost never happens on usenet. Then why even bother? |
"Roger Zoul" wrote in message ... FDR wrote: || "Roger Zoul" wrote in message || ... ||| Pat Kiewicz wrote: ||| ||||| Side comment #2: ||||| I have kind of a problem with the whole low-carb thing. Limiting ||||| high-glycemic ||||| foods is sensible. Avoiding highly processed foods is sensible. ||||| Eating a lot ||||| of meat from grain-fed, confined animals and the wrong sorts of ||||| fats isn't. ||||| Someone close to me went on the original Atkins diet. He ||||| developed kidney ||||| stones and ended up not so much later with inoperable cancer. ||||| Soured me ||||| on the concept. ||| ||| Side comment #1: Why do you assume that low-carbers eat a lot of ||| meat? ||| ||| Side comment #2: what makes you think that your friend got kidney ||| stones and ended up not o much later with inoperable cancer as a ||| result of low carb? ||| ||| Side comment #3: if you're soured on the concept, it because you're ||| a simpleton. || || Side comment to #3. Name calling won't help you change someone's || view. Side comment to side comment to #3. I'm not interested in changing someone view. That almost never happens on usenet. Then why even bother? |
FDR wrote:
|| "Roger Zoul" wrote in message || ... ||| FDR wrote: ||||| "Roger Zoul" wrote in message ||||| ... |||||| Pat Kiewicz wrote: |||||| |||||||| Side comment #2: |||||||| I have kind of a problem with the whole low-carb thing. |||||||| Limiting high-glycemic |||||||| foods is sensible. Avoiding highly processed foods is |||||||| sensible. Eating a lot |||||||| of meat from grain-fed, confined animals and the wrong sorts of |||||||| fats isn't. |||||||| Someone close to me went on the original Atkins diet. He |||||||| developed kidney |||||||| stones and ended up not so much later with inoperable cancer. |||||||| Soured me |||||||| on the concept. |||||| |||||| Side comment #1: Why do you assume that low-carbers eat a lot of |||||| meat? |||||| |||||| Side comment #2: what makes you think that your friend got kidney |||||| stones and ended up not o much later with inoperable cancer as a |||||| result of low carb? |||||| |||||| Side comment #3: if you're soured on the concept, it because |||||| you're a simpleton. ||||| ||||| Side comment to #3. Name calling won't help you change someone's ||||| view. ||| ||| Side comment to side comment to #3. I'm not interested in changing ||| someone view. That almost never happens on usenet. || || Then why even bother? It's about stamping out misinformation for others how may benefit from accurate knowledge about low-carb diets. Many many people here have benefited greatly from LC diets.... |
"Roger Zoul" wrote in message ...
Ig - Check out this site for some ideas: http://www.ediblelandscaping.com/ I was thinking olive, but that might not work in zone 5. so you are calling Pat a simpleton, and then you suggest olives for Zone 5? with this kind of advice, the guy will go on a starvation diet for sure. Ignoramus2437 wrote: || I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have || a concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the || retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a || monster tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately || adjacent to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant || a lawn elsewhere). || || My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants || that are not grains. || || I live in Zone 5 (N Illinois). || || One plant that I can think of is sunflowers. Maybe I will throw some || corn into it, for looks and for other members of my family, but I am || looking for other suggestions. || || Thanks! || || i |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:52 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
GardenBanter