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How much aeration needed?
"Tynk" wrote in message ups.com... Koi-lo wrote: "Shorty" wrote in message oups.com... Pearling means bubbles of gas sitting on the surface of the plant. In this case, it refers to a situation when the water is saturated with oxygen and the additional oxygen produced by the plants does not dissolve in the water anymore. Then, you can see the bubbles of oxygen sitting on the plant. But if you get this in the first two days of water change, this is more likely to be all the gas dissolved in your tap water. I'm not an expert at this so correct me if I'm wrong. ========================= I believe you are correct. The plants pearl on sunny days in my betta tanks on a sunny windowsill. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy Troll Information: http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o ========================= I believe you are correct. The plants pearl on sunny days in my betta tanks on a sunny windowsill. Tanks??? You have them in tiny little bowls. Those are not tanks. ====================== Check my new aquarium webpage. BTW do you keep your bettas with gravel and plants? My bettas have always had gravel and plants. It's cruel to keep them any other way as I'm sure you agree. How do you make sure everyone who buys your bettas provides them with live plants and gravel? -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy Troll Information: http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Koi-lo wrote: "Tynk" wrote in message ups.com... Koi-lo wrote: "Shorty" wrote in message oups.com... Pearling means bubbles of gas sitting on the surface of the plant. In this case, it refers to a situation when the water is saturated with oxygen and the additional oxygen produced by the plants does not dissolve in the water anymore. Then, you can see the bubbles of oxygen sitting on the plant. But if you get this in the first two days of water change, this is more likely to be all the gas dissolved in your tap water. I'm not an expert at this so correct me if I'm wrong. ========================= I believe you are correct. The plants pearl on sunny days in my betta tanks on a sunny windowsill. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy Troll Information: http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o ========================= I believe you are correct. The plants pearl on sunny days in my betta tanks on a sunny windowsill. Tanks??? You have them in tiny little bowls. Those are not tanks. ====================== Check my new aquarium webpage. BTW do you keep your bettas with gravel and plants? My bettas have always had gravel and plants. It's cruel to keep them any other way as I'm sure you agree. How do you make sure everyone who buys your bettas provides them with live plants and gravel? -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy Troll Information: http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o Tanks??? You have them in tiny little bowls. Those are not tanks. ====================== Check my new aquarium webpage. BTW do you keep your bettas with gravel and plants? My bettas have always had gravel and plants. It's cruel to keep them any other way as I'm sure you agree. How do you make sure everyone who buys your bettas provides them with live plants and gravel? I checked your page as you suggest and I was so happy to see that most of them are in larger containers. Good job. = ) And I mean that. Yes, I agree on the plants, however gravel is not an absolute necessity, nor is it cruel not to have gravel. It's simply asthetic to the keeper's eye, brings out better coloring in any fish (one of the reasons I use gravel in all my tanks except spawning tanks), and creates more surfaces for the nitrifying bacteria to grow on. It's not going to harm the fish not to have gravel in it's tank though...it's just better in my personal opinion, but isn't being cruel if they don't have it. Yes...my single Betta tanks have plants....mostly baby Java fern shoots and when they grow too large I simply plant them in one of the larger tanks. These Java ferns sprout so many baby plants (worse than a Spider plant!) that I always have a ton to go around. They're also great for the spawning and fry growing tanks (the baby plants). I must say again, I am so happy that you have given your male Bettas the larger containers. You did right by them and didn't even say (or did you a while back when I was off line due to my neck surgery). Again, good job! = ) |
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"Tynk" wrote in message oups.com... Koi-lo wrote: .. Check my new aquarium webpage. BTW do you keep your bettas with gravel and plants? My bettas have always had gravel and plants. It's cruel to keep them any other way as I'm sure you agree. How do you make sure everyone who buys your bettas provides them with live plants and gravel? ====================== I checked your page as you suggest and I was so happy to see that most of them are in larger containers. Good job. = ) And I mean that. All were less than $1 on 1/2 price day down at the Goodwill Store. :-) Yes, I agree on the plants, however gravel is not an absolute necessity, nor is it cruel not to have gravel. I feel it should be in all betta bowls and tanks as they seem to enjoy picking around it for who-knows-what. But you were right about the old bowls I was using. I measure the water they held and it was between 1 qt and 1/2 gallon. All these hold over a gallon except that weird shaped one. The gravel is also (along with their plants) the bio-filter so they don't have to suffer any ammonia when I change the water. It's simply asthetic to the keeper's eye, brings out better coloring in any fish (one of the reasons I use gravel in all my tanks except spawning tanks), and creates more surfaces for the nitrifying bacteria to grow on. It's not going to harm the fish not to have gravel in it's tank though.. It keeps them busy. It's more natural than a plain glass bottom. ..it's just better in my personal opinion, but isn't being cruel if they don't have it. Yes...my single Betta tanks have plants....mostly baby Java fern shoots and when they grow too large I simply plant them in one of the larger tanks. These Java ferns sprout so many baby plants (worse than a Spider plant!) that I always have a ton to go around. They're also great for the spawning and fry growing tanks (the baby plants). I must say again, I am so happy that you have given your male Bettas the larger containers. You did right by them and didn't even say (or did you a while back when I was off line due to my neck surgery). Again, good job! = ) I posted the URL to the new page for a week or two. I actually measured the water, then headed down to Goodwill ..... :-) -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy Troll Information: http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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It's more natural than a plain glass bottom.
True, but I wonder how common a gravel subtrate is for aquarium fish in the wild, as opposed to mud or larger river stones. Cliff |
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"Cliff L" wrote in message oups.com... It's more natural than a plain glass bottom. True, but I wonder how common a gravel subtrate is for aquarium fish in the wild, as opposed to mud or larger river stones. ====================== That depends where you live. Here the river bottoms are covered with stones and pebbles of various sizes, the soil washed downstream ages ago. On L.I. the ponds and inlets were sand, pebbles and stones. The lake here has a mud and rock bottom. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Troll Information: http://tinyurl.com/9zbh Reading Headers: http://tinyurl.com/amm9s ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Koi-lo wrote:
"Cliff L" wrote in message oups.com... It's more natural than a plain glass bottom. True, but I wonder how common a gravel subtrate is for aquarium fish in the wild, as opposed to mud or larger river stones. ====================== That depends where you live. Here the river bottoms are covered with stones and pebbles of various sizes, the soil washed downstream ages ago. On L.I. the ponds and inlets were sand, pebbles and stones. The lake here has a mud and rock bottom. If memory serves me rightly, the bottom of the Thames is squidgy mud with the odd bit of stone/gravel but predominately mud...used to get stuck between your toes - lol. It was a long time ago when I was mad enough to swim in there but I'm pretty sure that it won't have changed much.... |
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"Gill Passman" wrote in message .. . Koi-lo wrote: "Cliff L" wrote in message oups.com... It's more natural than a plain glass bottom. True, but I wonder how common a gravel subtrate is for aquarium fish in the wild, as opposed to mud or larger river stones. ====================== That depends where you live. Here the river bottoms are covered with stones and pebbles of various sizes, the soil washed downstream ages ago. On L.I. the ponds and inlets were sand, pebbles and stones. The lake here has a mud and rock bottom. If memory serves me rightly, the bottom of the Thames is squidgy mud with the odd bit of stone/gravel but predominately mud...used to get stuck between your toes - lol. It was a long time ago when I was mad enough to swim in there but I'm pretty sure that it won't have changed much.... ====================== Your Thames then is much like our Hudson and East Rivers in NYC. Those rivers have a sludge over the soil and whatever boulders, stones and pebbles are there. You can well call it squidgy mud. And we have trash! Ugh, trash of every description from broken bottles to used baby diapers in those rivers. Very nasty stuff you don't even want to put your feet in.... :þ -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 Troll Information: http://tinyurl.com/9zbh Reading Headers: http://tinyurl.com/amm9s ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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In article .com,
Cliff L wrote: It's more natural than a plain glass bottom. True, but I wonder how common a gravel subtrate is for aquarium fish in the wild, as opposed to mud or larger river stones. People poeple... are we losing sight of the unnaturallness of those glass walls? How many rivrs have glass walls and welding tanks and shop lights (has a quick look in the backyard) none here... anyone? -- Need Mercedes parts ? - http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home page: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net |
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"Richard Sexton" wrote in message ... In article .com, Cliff L wrote: It's more natural than a plain glass bottom. True, but I wonder how common a gravel subtrate is for aquarium fish in the wild, as opposed to mud or larger river stones. People poeple... are we losing sight of the unnaturallness of those glass walls? How many rivrs have glass walls and welding tanks and shop lights (has a quick look in the backyard) none here... anyone? ========================== I think the fish are more comfortable with something natural such as gravel, sand or pebbles on the bottom of their tanks than bare glass. Others may disagree of course. Whatever works for you and your particular fish. :-) -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Koi-lo wrote: "Tynk" wrote in message ups.com... Koi-lo wrote: "Shorty" wrote in message oups.com... Pearling means bubbles of gas sitting on the surface of the plant. In this case, it refers to a situation when the water is saturated with oxygen and the additional oxygen produced by the plants does not dissolve in the water anymore. Then, you can see the bubbles of oxygen sitting on the plant. But if you get this in the first two days of water change, this is more likely to be all the gas dissolved in your tap water. I'm not an expert at this so correct me if I'm wrong. ========================= I believe you are correct. The plants pearl on sunny days in my betta tanks on a sunny windowsill. -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy Troll Information: http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o ========================= I believe you are correct. The plants pearl on sunny days in my betta tanks on a sunny windowsill. Tanks??? You have them in tiny little bowls. Those are not tanks. ====================== Check my new aquarium webpage. BTW do you keep your bettas with gravel and plants? My bettas have always had gravel and plants. It's cruel to keep them any other way as I'm sure you agree. How do you make sure everyone who buys your bettas provides them with live plants and gravel? -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy Troll Information: http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o How do you make sure everyone who buys your bettas provides them with live plants and gravel? Sorry, I forgot you had asked this question..I was so excited about your boy's larger housing that I totally forgot you asked about this. When I gave to people, they were either neighbors, friends, etc andf I hardly ever charged them. However, word of mouth people that came to buy I charged a very nomimal fee and it was usually less than what the current price at the shops were. I would ask them about what size tank they would be going into, as well as explain the proper care if they didn't already know. When I was breeding with regularity (yrs ago), it wasn't like it is now. Bettas were given proper care and kept in tanks with common community fish. People hardly ever kept them in small bowls. Of course some did. However, it really wasn't the norm, nor were they even near as popular. Not even close! NetMax probably remembers this, as well as other old time hobbyists who have been in the hobby as long or longer than I have. ( since the 1970's). If somebody were to tell me that they wanted to keep it in a little bowl I would simply deny them the fish. Plain and simple. Folks who didn't already know the proper care were educated. Heck..back then I the smallest tank I can remember there being were the AllGlass 2 1/2 gallon ones. Not sure on if they were out in the 70's, as I used 5g's back then for tiny tanks. How about anyone else...I can't remember. Back then people didn't have these tiny tanks to choose from or those horrible contaptions they're selling for Bettas these days. Those clear plastic things that have an area that's almost a V shape in the middle for the Betta to be housed in. It holds like a couple/few ounces of water. These things are horribly cruel. I even stopped going to one of the local shops because he started selling these things. He got all excited when I walked in one day and couldn't wait to show me these new Betta "tanks". I did one of these faces...= O I said..I can't believe you are selling such cruel things and walked out. He knew better too. He's a local shop trying to compete with the chains around him and I'm sorry, but he could have done better than that. There's many 1g set ups with even a light that he could have sold for less money than he was selling these torture chambers for. I will say some of these things are getting a little better. Some have gotten to be a gallon or more and have these mini power filters and some even have mini fluorescent lights above them. Those are ok in a constantly warm house or for somebody in a warm climate. (when talking Bettas that is) But a couple/few ounces of water? Horrible. |
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"Tynk" wrote in message oups.com... How do you make sure everyone who buys your bettas provides them with live plants and gravel? ======== Sorry, I forgot you had asked this question..I was so excited about your boy's larger housing that I totally forgot you asked about this. When I gave to people, they were either neighbors, friends, etc andf I hardly ever charged them. However, word of mouth people that came to buy I charged a very nomimal fee and it was usually less than what the current price at the shops were. I would ask them about what size tank they would be going into, as well as explain the proper care if they didn't already know. When I was breeding with regularity (yrs ago), it wasn't like it is now. Bettas were given proper care and kept in tanks with common community fish. I was raising them in NYC (60s/70s). At that time they were kept in small glass ivy bowls that held about 8oz of water. It was very cruel but the stores said they had no choice. Space was at a premium there and still is. Those who knew better had them in larger bowls with some gravel and at least one small plant of some kind. The bowls were actually either used food jars, cookie jars or regulation GF bowls, cheap then. People hardly ever kept them in small bowls. Of course some did. However, it really wasn't the norm, nor were they even near as popular. Not even close! NetMax probably remembers this, as well as other old time hobbyists who have been in the hobby as long or longer than I have. ( since the 1970's). There may be regional differences in their care. Here in TN they still keep them in ivy bowls and sell people these small bowls to keep them in. Most bettas don't survive very long. I know this because of what people I meet say. I always hear something like this, "Oh I had a betta once. It lived about 2 months [or some other time-period less than a year]." If somebody were to tell me that they wanted to keep it in a little bowl I would simply deny them the fish. Plain and simple. Folks who didn't already know the proper care were educated. Heck..back then I the smallest tank I can remember there being were the AllGlass 2 1/2 gallon ones. Not sure on if they were out in the 70's, as I used 5g's back then for tiny tanks. I always remember there being 2g tanks. My mother bought us a 2g Metaframe tank in 1952. It had a SS light and a plastic bubble-up filter, gray gravel and a few real plants. She bought us guppies. I barely remember the GF bowl and the 2 GF that died in days prior to that. I must have been very young. Someone clued her in that fish can't live in bowls. I remember she would change the Angelhair fiberglass filter material, carefully feed them. That little tank hooked me for a lifetime. :-) I can't remember exactly when they switched from SS framed tanks to all glass tanks. How about anyone else...I can't remember. Back then people didn't have these tiny tanks to choose from or those horrible contaptions they're selling for Bettas these days. Those clear plastic things that have an area that's almost a V shape in the middle for the Betta to be housed in. It holds like a couple/few ounces of water. These things are horribly cruel. The stores here have all kinds of tiny over priced plastic bowls for Bettas. :-( The place I got mine said they were around 1/2 gallon each. They weren't, and I never gave it a thought because the fish did so well in them. I even stopped going to one of the local shops because he started selling these things. He got all excited when I walked in one day and couldn't wait to show me these new Betta "tanks". I did one of these faces...= O I said..I can't believe you are selling such cruel things and walked out. He knew better too. He's a local shop trying to compete with the chains around him and I'm sorry, but he could have done better than that. There's many 1g set ups with even a light that he could have sold for less money than he was selling these torture chambers for. I don't see any of those here. They used to sell the 1and 2g hex ones you see on my windowsill, but those are hard to find now. They came with an UGF, airpump, hood and even a light for $20! What happened to them? They were excellent for bettas or other small fish. Now all I see are small bowls and it then jumps to the 10g tank. The 2 and 5g tanks can only be found in aquarium stores now and they aren't cheap. :-( The all glass 2s (with glass dividers), the 5 and a few of my 10s were left to me by a housemate who moved out of state back in 1988. I will say some of these things are getting a little better. Some have gotten to be a gallon or more and have these mini power filters and some even have mini fluorescent lights above them. Those are ok in a constantly warm house or for somebody in a warm climate. (when talking Bettas that is) But a couple/few ounces of water? Horrible. Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy Troll Information: http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Koi-lo wrote: "Tynk" wrote in message oups.com... How do you make sure everyone who buys your bettas provides them with live plants and gravel? ======== Sorry, I forgot you had asked this question..I was so excited about your boy's larger housing that I totally forgot you asked about this. When I gave to people, they were either neighbors, friends, etc andf I hardly ever charged them. However, word of mouth people that came to buy I charged a very nomimal fee and it was usually less than what the current price at the shops were. I would ask them about what size tank they would be going into, as well as explain the proper care if they didn't already know. When I was breeding with regularity (yrs ago), it wasn't like it is now. Bettas were given proper care and kept in tanks with common community fish. I was raising them in NYC (60s/70s). At that time they were kept in small glass ivy bowls that held about 8oz of water. It was very cruel but the stores said they had no choice. Space was at a premium there and still is. Those who knew better had them in larger bowls with some gravel and at least one small plant of some kind. The bowls were actually either used food jars, cookie jars or regulation GF bowls, cheap then. People hardly ever kept them in small bowls. Of course some did. However, it really wasn't the norm, nor were they even near as popular. Not even close! NetMax probably remembers this, as well as other old time hobbyists who have been in the hobby as long or longer than I have. ( since the 1970's). There may be regional differences in their care. Here in TN they still keep them in ivy bowls and sell people these small bowls to keep them in. Most bettas don't survive very long. I know this because of what people I meet say. I always hear something like this, "Oh I had a betta once. It lived about 2 months [or some other time-period less than a year]." If somebody were to tell me that they wanted to keep it in a little bowl I would simply deny them the fish. Plain and simple. Folks who didn't already know the proper care were educated. Heck..back then I the smallest tank I can remember there being were the AllGlass 2 1/2 gallon ones. Not sure on if they were out in the 70's, as I used 5g's back then for tiny tanks. I always remember there being 2g tanks. My mother bought us a 2g Metaframe tank in 1952. It had a SS light and a plastic bubble-up filter, gray gravel and a few real plants. She bought us guppies. I barely remember the GF bowl and the 2 GF that died in days prior to that. I must have been very young. Someone clued her in that fish can't live in bowls. I remember she would change the Angelhair fiberglass filter material, carefully feed them. That little tank hooked me for a lifetime. :-) I can't remember exactly when they switched from SS framed tanks to all glass tanks. How about anyone else...I can't remember. Back then people didn't have these tiny tanks to choose from or those horrible contaptions they're selling for Bettas these days. Those clear plastic things that have an area that's almost a V shape in the middle for the Betta to be housed in. It holds like a couple/few ounces of water. These things are horribly cruel. The stores here have all kinds of tiny over priced plastic bowls for Bettas. :-( The place I got mine said they were around 1/2 gallon each. They weren't, and I never gave it a thought because the fish did so well in them. I even stopped going to one of the local shops because he started selling these things. He got all excited when I walked in one day and couldn't wait to show me these new Betta "tanks". I did one of these faces...= O I said..I can't believe you are selling such cruel things and walked out. He knew better too. He's a local shop trying to compete with the chains around him and I'm sorry, but he could have done better than that. There's many 1g set ups with even a light that he could have sold for less money than he was selling these torture chambers for. I don't see any of those here. They used to sell the 1and 2g hex ones you see on my windowsill, but those are hard to find now. They came with an UGF, airpump, hood and even a light for $20! What happened to them? They were excellent for bettas or other small fish. Now all I see are small bowls and it then jumps to the 10g tank. The 2 and 5g tanks can only be found in aquarium stores now and they aren't cheap. :-( The all glass 2s (with glass dividers), the 5 and a few of my 10s were left to me by a housemate who moved out of state back in 1988. I will say some of these things are getting a little better. Some have gotten to be a gallon or more and have these mini power filters and some even have mini fluorescent lights above them. Those are ok in a constantly warm house or for somebody in a warm climate. (when talking Bettas that is) But a couple/few ounces of water? Horrible. Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy Troll Information: http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o I even stopped going to one of the local shops because he started selling these things. He got all excited when I walked in one day and couldn't wait to show me these new Betta "tanks". I did one of these faces...= O I said..I can't believe you are selling such cruel things and walked out. He knew better too. He's a local shop trying to compete with the chains around him and I'm sorry, but he could have done better than that. There's many 1g set ups with even a light that he could have sold for less money than he was selling these torture chambers for. I don't see any of those here. Oh my..you've never seen these little plastic things with about 2-3 ounces of water to them.. Hold on I am off to look for a link for you. You won't believe your eyes. Azoo is the comany that makes them. PenPlax alsomakes similar ones. They do get small than what is in this picture, but without anything to compare size to you really aren't going to see how very small these things can get. I've seen them smaller than what's in this link. Azoo.com isn't up and running right now, I've been trying for half an hour and still it's down. PetCo likes to carry these things, but doesn't offer them on their website. It depends on the individual stores who carries these. Some are only going to hold a couple to a few ounces of water. They are very thin (front to back) too. It's sick. http://cgi.ebay.com/Azoo-Betta-Fish-...QQcmdZViewItem |
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"Tynk" wrote in message oups.com... Koi-lo wrote: "Tynk" wrote in message oups.com... How do you make sure everyone who buys your bettas provides them with live plants and gravel? you are selling such cruel things and walked out. He knew better too. He's a local shop trying to compete with the chains around him and I'm sorry, but he could have done better than that. There's many 1g set ups with even a light that he could have sold for less money than he was selling these torture chambers for. I don't see any of those here. Oh my..you've never seen these little plastic things with about 2-3 ounces of water to them.. No. I see the small ones that hold 8oz. That the smallest so far. Hold on I am off to look for a link for you. You won't believe your eyes. Geeze, smaller than 8 oz???? :-( Azoo is the comany that makes them. PenPlax alsomakes similar ones. They do get small than what is in this picture, but without anything to compare size to you really aren't going to see how very small these things can get. I've seen them smaller than what's in this link. I just checked your link. No, I haven't seen them here. The smallest are the tiny ivy bowls that hold about 8oz of water. Also some plastic tacky trashy looking stuff that holds 8 to 10 oz. for bettas. Azoo.com isn't up and running right now, I've been trying for half an hour and still it's down. PetCo likes to carry these things, but doesn't offer them on their website. Hummm....... ok I seldom go there because the PH is too low there and I lose too many fish. Also, it's far. It depends on the individual stores who carries these. Some are only going to hold a couple to a few ounces of water. They are very thin (front to back) too. It's sick. That's why I'm saying SOMEONE should do something, start something to change the laws like they did with hookbill birds in some states.!!! I'm serious about that. It kills my soul to see GF sold with those small 1 gallon bowls. They have no chance at all...... NONE! http://cgi.ebay.com/Azoo-Betta-Fish-...QQcmdZViewItem Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy Troll Information: http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm Reading Headers: http://www.technomom.com/writing/headers.shtml ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Koi-lo wrote: "Tynk" wrote in message oups.com... Koi-lo wrote: "Tynk" wrote in message oups.com... How do you make sure everyone who buys your bettas provides them with live plants and gravel? you are selling such cruel things and walked out. He knew better too. He's a local shop trying to compete with the chains around him and I'm sorry, but he could have done better than that. There's many 1g set ups with even a light that he could have sold for less money than he was selling these torture chambers for. I don't see any of those here. Oh my..you've never seen these little plastic things with about 2-3 ounces of water to them.. No. I see the small ones that hold 8oz. That the smallest so far. Hold on I am off to look for a link for you. You won't believe your eyes. Geeze, smaller than 8 oz???? :-( Azoo is the comany that makes them. PenPlax alsomakes similar ones. They do get small than what is in this picture, but without anything to compare size to you really aren't going to see how very small these things can get. I've seen them smaller than what's in this link. I just checked your link. No, I haven't seen them here. The smallest are the tiny ivy bowls that hold about 8oz of water. Also some plastic tacky trashy looking stuff that holds 8 to 10 oz. for bettas. Azoo.com isn't up and running right now, I've been trying for half an hour and still it's down. PetCo likes to carry these things, but doesn't offer them on their website. Hummm....... ok I seldom go there because the PH is too low there and I lose too many fish. Also, it's far. It depends on the individual stores who carries these. Some are only going to hold a couple to a few ounces of water. They are very thin (front to back) too. It's sick. That's why I'm saying SOMEONE should do something, start something to change the laws like they did with hookbill birds in some states.!!! I'm serious about that. It kills my soul to see GF sold with those small 1 gallon bowls. They have no chance at all...... NONE! http://cgi.ebay.com/Azoo-Betta-Fish-...QQcmdZViewItem Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy Troll Information: http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm Reading Headers: http://www.technomom.com/writing/headers.shtml ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o Pardon my confusion, but you recently attacked me on the Goldfish Question thread about this very thing. Now having laws is a good thing and somebody should do something? Can you see my confusion about your comment. Here somebody SHOULD do something about making laws, and on another thread you used that against somebody. As for the 8 oz ones...that isn't what I'm talking about. They get much smaller than that. I not kidding either, they couldn't hold more than 3 oz of water. They're also about as wide as a grown male's body, and probably 1 1/2" -2" deep. These things are so abusive it boggles my mind at how they could be legal. But without any control or laws ifyou will, in the hobby it's like anything goes...even if it kills the fish. They show some of these things with fish in them that don't have labyrinth organs, so you know they'll be dead very soon of suffocation. I've seen these other things that are just as bad too. They look like a bowl, but are like 3/4 - 1" deep (front to back). A Betta would have to curl up on it's own body just to turn around. While looking for a good link about those other death traps I told you about I saw one of these and they had hooked up so it swings back and forth!! Can you imagine the poor fish in this thing? I can't, but they're out there and people are buying them. It's sick. I contacted the Meijer company (USA, and no not Fred Meyer, different store), about their store brand 1g tank boxes showing like 8 Goldies in the 1g tank and how bad that was becuase 1...they can't live in a 1g tank like they are advertising and 2...people that don't know better would use the picture as an example of what can be housed in that tank. They have since changed the picture but sadly, it's still wrong. = ( I'm going there today and I'll have to see if they have any in stock because I've forgotten what they used. I've also asked them several times to stop having the buy one get one free sale on male Bettas, as there are people do not know they cannot be housed together. They still have the sales. = ( It's all about the all mighty dollar. That seems to always win. You see Carol, I don't just sit here and not do anything about the poor care, poor conditions, poor treatment, etc of the fish in this hobby, (which you are under the impression I do). I do a lot. I just don't always say so. |
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"Tynk" wrote in message oups.com... Koi-lo wrote: That's why I'm saying SOMEONE should do something, start something to change the laws like they did with hookbill birds in some states.!!! I'm serious about that. It kills my soul to see GF sold with those small 1 gallon bowls. They have no chance at all...... NONE! ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o Pardon my confusion, but you recently attacked me on the Goldfish Question thread about this very thing. ??? I am all for laws being passed to protect fish. One should force the stores to hand out pamphlets with each fish giving information on the nitrogen cycle and more..... so the fish have a better chance to survive. Now having laws is a good thing and somebody should do something? Can you see my confusion about your comment. Here somebody SHOULD do something about making laws, and on another thread you used that against somebody. Huh? I have always believed laws should be passed to protect fish, small animals such as hamsters etc. If the store can't get more for the fish then they will go out of business. Without laws we have no way to force our beliefs and humane views on them. Is it fair to them? I'm not sure actually, since some are making it on a shoestring,... little profit. And it would also force people to either spend more or bypass the fish hobby. Many get hooked because of a fishbowl and GF... and move on up the ladder to real tanks and more exotic fish. Those people may be lost to the hobby. So what's fair then? As for the 8 oz ones...that isn't what I'm talking about. They get much smaller than that. I not kidding either, they couldn't hold more than 3 oz of water. They're also about as wide as a grown male's body, and probably 1 1/2" -2" deep. These things are so abusive it boggles my mind at how they could be legal. I have not seen them here, or have seen them and didn't realize they were for bettas. But without any control or laws ifyou will, in the hobby it's like anything goes...even if it kills the fish. They show some of these things with fish in them that don't have labyrinth organs, so you know they'll be dead very soon of suffocation. Which stores have you seen them in? I haven't been in Petco in awhile. The chains I frequent most are SuperPets, PetSupermarket and PetsMart. Pettown went out of business here last fall. The next time I hit these stores I am going to LOOK for these tiny betta bowls. I've seen these other things that are just as bad too. They look like a bowl, but are like 3/4 - 1" deep (front to back). A Betta would have to curl up on it's own body just to turn around. What you're describing are really over the top....... :-( You would think common sense would tell the person they're cruel. While looking for a good link about those other death traps I told you about I saw one of these and they had hooked up so it swings back and forth!! Can you imagine the poor fish in this thing? I can't, but they're out there and people are buying them. It's sick. Have you seen the small betta globes that are desk LAMPS???? You actually screw the betta bowl into the socket holder somehow. I couldn't believe my eyes! And there the fish hangs being cooked by the light and being blinded at the same time. I contacted the Meijer company (USA, and no not Fred Meyer, different store), about their store brand 1g tank boxes showing like 8 Goldies in the 1g tank and how bad that was becuase 1...they can't live in a 1g tank like they are advertising and 2...people that don't know better would use the picture as an example of what can be housed in that tank. They have since changed the picture but sadly, it's still wrong. = ( I know the feeling. It's like beating your head against a brick wall. I'm going there today and I'll have to see if they have any in stock because I've forgotten what they used. I've also asked them several times to stop having the buy one get one free sale on male Bettas, as there are people do not know they cannot be housed together. Do you know that some clerks (in NYC) are selling people a PAIR of bettas for those little bowls? Yes, a PAIR to put in one bowl. I just heard about it last week. Think shredded fins, fungus, bacterial infections and certain death if not for both, surely one. They still have the sales. = ( It's all about the all mighty dollar. That seems to always win. You see Carol, I don't just sit here and not do anything about the poor care, poor conditions, poor treatment, etc of the fish in this hobby, (which you are under the impression I do). I do a lot. I just don't always say so. Well SHARE as it encourages others to at least try to do the same........ BTW the managers in the local Wal*Mart stores cringe when they see me heading for their pet depts. But there have been vast improvements. ;-) -- Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995... Aquariums since 1952 My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy Troll Information: http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm Reading Headers: http://www.technomom.com/writing/headers.shtml ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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