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CO2 bubbles collecting in Nutrafin diffuser
If one wanted to get a better idea as to the contents of the stabilizer,
couldn't you measure out the same amounts of it and of baking soda and put them in two identical sized containers of water that have been tested for KH before, then check the KH after adding? At least then you might have a better idea wouldn't you? Ron "Tzeentch" wrote in message ... Some people speculated that it's probably baking soda (Sodium Bicarbonate), probaly since it can be used as a pretty good buffer. That's just speculation though and I haven't seen anybody being positive on whatever is in that packet. "Ronaldo Jeremiah" wrote in message om... I've got one of these two. I think it's great, and I'm totally satisfied with it. As other have noted, the bubbles will begin to travel properly on their own after a while. My question is this: What is the stabilizer? I know that the activator is yeast, and I suspect that the stabilizer works by somehow regulating the pH in the yeast/sugar/water mix, but even if I am right about that I don't know what it is. If I knew what it was, I could probably buy it much cheaper in bulk, since a three-pack of activator and stabilizer is about $8! I know the yeast should cost next to nothing. Anyone know what the stabilizer is, or want to take an educated guess? -RJ |
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Incredible that they get away selling that stuff at that price.
Anyway, as I said earlier, I wanna keep the diffuser and build a DIY CO2 system for the rest. With CO2 check valves (if I can find those around here, no luck yet), 2 yeast generator bottle, a gas separator and silicone or better tubing. BTW, anybody tried to use non-refined brown sugar like cane sugar in the mix instead of what the instructions says: "Add white table sugar (no other substitute)"? "Zach987987987" wrote in message ... simple baking soda, I have the system as well but it was so hard to find refill packages of the powder I went to just the old yeast and sugar with a little baking soda to regualte the reaction, just mix it as the instructions said with their mix and your off |
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 01:42:45 -0600, "Ron Nelson" wrote:
If one wanted to get a better idea as to the contents of the stabilizer, couldn't you measure out the same amounts of it and of baking soda and put them in two identical sized containers of water that have been tested for KH before, then check the KH after adding? At least then you might have a better idea wouldn't you? Of course, someone could just taste it and see. |
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Andrey Tarasevich wrote in message ...
Hello I notice that instead of going all the way up CO2 bubbles are collecting in my new Hagen Nutrafin diffuser forming larger bubbles that just sit there all the time. I tried forcing them out of there but eventually they reappear. Meanwhile, I saw a working setup in my LFS and it didn't have any bubbles stuck in it. I also read somewhere on Google that this is normal for freshly installed diffusers and eventually this issue will go away. Did anyone experience this problem with their Nutrafin diffusers? Will the diffuser eventually clear up? And if it will, what's the physics of this process? I.e. what exactly is going to change so that the diffuser will no longer trap and hold CO2 bubbles? I've got one of these two. I think it's great, and I'm totally satisfied with it. As other have noted, the bubbles will begin to travel properly on their own after a while. My question is this: What is the stabilizer? I know that the activator is yeast, and I suspect that the stabilizer works by somehow regulating the pH in the yeast/sugar/water mix, but even if I am right about that I don't know what it is. If I knew what it was, I could probably buy it much cheaper in bulk, since a three-pack of activator and stabilizer is about $8! I know the yeast should cost next to nothing. Anyone know what the stabilizer is, or want to take an educated guess? -RJ |
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simple baking soda,
I have the system as well but it was so hard to find refill packages of the powder I went to just the old yeast and sugar with a little baking soda to regualte the reaction, just mix it as the instructions said with their mix and your off My question is this: What is the stabilizer? I know that the activator is yeast, and I suspect that the stabilizer works by somehow regulating the pH in the yeast/sugar/water mix, but even if I am right about that I don't know what it is. If I knew what it was, I could probably buy it much cheaper in bulk, since a three-pack of activator and stabilizer is about $8! I know the yeast should cost next to nothing. Anyone know what the stabilizer is, or want to take an educated guess? -RJ |
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Some people speculated that it's probably baking soda (Sodium Bicarbonate),
probaly since it can be used as a pretty good buffer. That's just speculation though and I haven't seen anybody being positive on whatever is in that packet. "Ronaldo Jeremiah" wrote in message om... I've got one of these two. I think it's great, and I'm totally satisfied with it. As other have noted, the bubbles will begin to travel properly on their own after a while. My question is this: What is the stabilizer? I know that the activator is yeast, and I suspect that the stabilizer works by somehow regulating the pH in the yeast/sugar/water mix, but even if I am right about that I don't know what it is. If I knew what it was, I could probably buy it much cheaper in bulk, since a three-pack of activator and stabilizer is about $8! I know the yeast should cost next to nothing. Anyone know what the stabilizer is, or want to take an educated guess? -RJ |
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CO2 bubbles collecting in Nutrafin diffuser
If one wanted to get a better idea as to the contents of the stabilizer,
couldn't you measure out the same amounts of it and of baking soda and put them in two identical sized containers of water that have been tested for KH before, then check the KH after adding? At least then you might have a better idea wouldn't you? Ron "Tzeentch" wrote in message ... Some people speculated that it's probably baking soda (Sodium Bicarbonate), probaly since it can be used as a pretty good buffer. That's just speculation though and I haven't seen anybody being positive on whatever is in that packet. "Ronaldo Jeremiah" wrote in message om... I've got one of these two. I think it's great, and I'm totally satisfied with it. As other have noted, the bubbles will begin to travel properly on their own after a while. My question is this: What is the stabilizer? I know that the activator is yeast, and I suspect that the stabilizer works by somehow regulating the pH in the yeast/sugar/water mix, but even if I am right about that I don't know what it is. If I knew what it was, I could probably buy it much cheaper in bulk, since a three-pack of activator and stabilizer is about $8! I know the yeast should cost next to nothing. Anyone know what the stabilizer is, or want to take an educated guess? -RJ |
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Incredible that they get away selling that stuff at that price.
Anyway, as I said earlier, I wanna keep the diffuser and build a DIY CO2 system for the rest. With CO2 check valves (if I can find those around here, no luck yet), 2 yeast generator bottle, a gas separator and silicone or better tubing. BTW, anybody tried to use non-refined brown sugar like cane sugar in the mix instead of what the instructions says: "Add white table sugar (no other substitute)"? "Zach987987987" wrote in message ... simple baking soda, I have the system as well but it was so hard to find refill packages of the powder I went to just the old yeast and sugar with a little baking soda to regualte the reaction, just mix it as the instructions said with their mix and your off |
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CO2 bubbles collecting in Nutrafin diffuser
On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 01:42:45 -0600, "Ron Nelson" wrote:
If one wanted to get a better idea as to the contents of the stabilizer, couldn't you measure out the same amounts of it and of baking soda and put them in two identical sized containers of water that have been tested for KH before, then check the KH after adding? At least then you might have a better idea wouldn't you? Of course, someone could just taste it and see. |
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CO2 bubbles collecting in Nutrafin diffuser
Call me a chicken but I try to avoid submitting myself to unknown
chemicals... :-) Ron "Jak Crow" wrote in message ... On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 01:42:45 -0600, "Ron Nelson" wrote: If one wanted to get a better idea as to the contents of the stabilizer, couldn't you measure out the same amounts of it and of baking soda and put them in two identical sized containers of water that have been tested for KH before, then check the KH after adding? At least then you might have a better idea wouldn't you? Of course, someone could just taste it and see. |
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Just as a matter of interest, what did you do during your college years...?
"Ron Nelson" wrote in message ... Call me a chicken but I try to avoid submitting myself to unknown chemicals... :-) |
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"Duncan A. McRae" wrote in message
. rogers.com... Just as a matter of interest, what did you do during your college years...? I don't really remember college, but I researched every single one of those chemicals before I tried them. :-) Ron |
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CO2 bubbles collecting in Nutrafin diffuser
The stabilizer is baking soda
"Ronaldo Jeremiah" wrote in message om... Andrey Tarasevich wrote in message ... Hello I notice that instead of going all the way up CO2 bubbles are collecting in my new Hagen Nutrafin diffuser forming larger bubbles that just sit there all the time. I tried forcing them out of there but eventually they reappear. Meanwhile, I saw a working setup in my LFS and it didn't have any bubbles stuck in it. I also read somewhere on Google that this is normal for freshly installed diffusers and eventually this issue will go away. Did anyone experience this problem with their Nutrafin diffusers? Will the diffuser eventually clear up? And if it will, what's the physics of this process? I.e. what exactly is going to change so that the diffuser will no longer trap and hold CO2 bubbles? I've got one of these two. I think it's great, and I'm totally satisfied with it. As other have noted, the bubbles will begin to travel properly on their own after a while. My question is this: What is the stabilizer? I know that the activator is yeast, and I suspect that the stabilizer works by somehow regulating the pH in the yeast/sugar/water mix, but even if I am right about that I don't know what it is. If I knew what it was, I could probably buy it much cheaper in bulk, since a three-pack of activator and stabilizer is about $8! I know the yeast should cost next to nothing. Anyone know what the stabilizer is, or want to take an educated guess? -RJ |
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CO2 bubbles collecting in Nutrafin diffuser
ROFL!!
I don't really remember college, but I researched every single one of those chemicals before I tried them. :-) Ron |
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CO2 bubbles collecting in Nutrafin diffuser
My diffuser had a cracked rung, so make sure your's isn't similar.
Hagen replaced mine for free. Also make sure your unwanted snail population isn't causing the bubble to jam. And also make sure that the blue-green algea accumulated on the rungs is kept in order. If it gets too plentiful it'll make the bubbles stick... |
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