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Eradicating BBA
"Chris_S" wrote in message
... WOW! Now that's real news. I found the manfs product info: http://www.azoo.com.tw/azoo_en/modul...eview&bkid=309 It's AZOO product number AZ17086. I found another user post somewhere and they said it got rid of their BBA in 14 days. If true, that is very good news indeed. The only fish stores that seem to have it are outside the US. Have not found it yet in any of the US websites. It's certainly worth a try if I can get some. Thanks for the info!!! Well, I've never tried it, so I'm looking for people with first-hand experience *before* I get all excited :-) I've heard anecdotes at my LFS that the stuff works. But I don't know anything else about it. For example, is it safe for crustaceans? (Azoo Algae Treater is *not*.) Anyway, if anyone has tried the stuff, I'd be keen to hear how well it worked. Cheers, Michi. -- Michi Henning Ph: +61 4 1118-2700 ZeroC, Inc. http://www.zeroc.com |
Eradicating BBA
It worked like a charm for me 10 months ago in my 3' tank. It takes 2 weeks
treatment(1 drop/`15G) although it seems to take about 8 days to actually kick in and then you'll notice the reduction very very quickly. 30% water changes every 3 days if I remember correctly as it totally decimates your biological filter bacteria (words to that effect on the fine print box, hehe). I still occasionally get it in my planted low light 3' tank if I overdose iron or neglect water changes for a month. I've had minor traces of it in my high light/CO2 4' tank if you look hard enough for a few minutes amost since it was set up a year ago but have never had to add any azoo treatment to this tank. "Michi Henning" wrote in message ... "Chris_S" wrote in message ... WOW! Now that's real news. I found the manfs product info: http://www.azoo.com.tw/azoo_en/modul...eview&bkid=309 It's AZOO product number AZ17086. I found another user post somewhere and they said it got rid of their BBA in 14 days. If true, that is very good news indeed. The only fish stores that seem to have it are outside the US. Have not found it yet in any of the US websites. It's certainly worth a try if I can get some. Thanks for the info!!! Well, I've never tried it, so I'm looking for people with first-hand experience *before* I get all excited :-) I've heard anecdotes at my LFS that the stuff works. But I don't know anything else about it. For example, is it safe for crustaceans? (Azoo Algae Treater is *not*.) Anyway, if anyone has tried the stuff, I'd be keen to hear how well it worked. Cheers, Michi. -- Michi Henning Ph: +61 4 1118-2700 ZeroC, Inc. http://www.zeroc.com |
Eradicating BBA
It worked like a charm for me 10 months ago in my 3' tank. It takes 2 weeks
treatment(1 drop/`15G) although it seems to take about 8 days to actually kick in and then you'll notice the reduction very very quickly. 30% water changes every 3 days if I remember correctly as it totally decimates your biological filter bacteria (words to that effect on the fine print box, hehe). I still occasionally get it in my planted low light 3' tank if I overdose iron or neglect water changes for a month. I've had minor traces of it in my high light/CO2 4' tank if you look hard enough for a few minutes amost since it was set up a year ago but have never had to add any azoo treatment to this tank. "Michi Henning" wrote in message ... "Chris_S" wrote in message ... WOW! Now that's real news. I found the manfs product info: http://www.azoo.com.tw/azoo_en/modul...eview&bkid=309 It's AZOO product number AZ17086. I found another user post somewhere and they said it got rid of their BBA in 14 days. If true, that is very good news indeed. The only fish stores that seem to have it are outside the US. Have not found it yet in any of the US websites. It's certainly worth a try if I can get some. Thanks for the info!!! Well, I've never tried it, so I'm looking for people with first-hand experience *before* I get all excited :-) I've heard anecdotes at my LFS that the stuff works. But I don't know anything else about it. For example, is it safe for crustaceans? (Azoo Algae Treater is *not*.) Anyway, if anyone has tried the stuff, I'd be keen to hear how well it worked. Cheers, Michi. -- Michi Henning Ph: +61 4 1118-2700 ZeroC, Inc. http://www.zeroc.com |
Eradicating BBA
"Chris_S" wrote in message ... Hi: I've tried running the CO2 from 5PPM to 30PPM. You're right having it higher and more plant growth helps, but the BBA still does not go away. It just slows down. I have no problem with any other kind of algae. Just BBA. Blackout will have no effect. The doc in the Krib and elsewhere says same thing. BBA will just go dormant. People have taken out rocks with BBA on them, let them dry in air 6 months, then put them back in water, and the BBA starts right back where it left off. This stuff is HARD to kill. The only thing that kills it is Chlorine or Copper Sulphate. Even Copper takes 3-5 days to kill it. Chlorine only takes minutes. Water control can help or make things worse, but it will never get rid of it. You could put a rock with BBA in distilled water and the BBA will not die. Probably just go into hibernation and come back when there are nutrients around. The only way I see to kill BBA without killing the plants is Chlorine or Copper. I've tried everything else. It's time to sterilize the tank. I'm just kicking myself that I did not sterilize the plants and rocks in Chlorine when I set this new tank up 2 months ago. I had the perfect opportunity then to start off with a clean tank. That would have been the perfect time to get rid of this BBA. Now I see no choice but the hard way. Thanks, Chris. Up your nutrients cut back on the length of light. I had plants with better growths than my own beard. Cutting out the light doesn't do the trick.... but increasing my light level to @ 2 watts/gallon, upping the CO2, cutting back 10 hrs a day of light, and the Tom Barr method of dosing nutrients ....... slowly did the trick. along with manually trimming the worst of it. A hydrogen peroxide works well if you want to clean up a more delicate plants. Now everything is fine, till I forget something .....;-) or go on vacation. bob |
Eradicating BBA
"Chris_S" wrote in message ... Hi: I've tried running the CO2 from 5PPM to 30PPM. You're right having it higher and more plant growth helps, but the BBA still does not go away. It just slows down. I have no problem with any other kind of algae. Just BBA. Blackout will have no effect. The doc in the Krib and elsewhere says same thing. BBA will just go dormant. People have taken out rocks with BBA on them, let them dry in air 6 months, then put them back in water, and the BBA starts right back where it left off. This stuff is HARD to kill. The only thing that kills it is Chlorine or Copper Sulphate. Even Copper takes 3-5 days to kill it. Chlorine only takes minutes. Water control can help or make things worse, but it will never get rid of it. You could put a rock with BBA in distilled water and the BBA will not die. Probably just go into hibernation and come back when there are nutrients around. The only way I see to kill BBA without killing the plants is Chlorine or Copper. I've tried everything else. It's time to sterilize the tank. I'm just kicking myself that I did not sterilize the plants and rocks in Chlorine when I set this new tank up 2 months ago. I had the perfect opportunity then to start off with a clean tank. That would have been the perfect time to get rid of this BBA. Now I see no choice but the hard way. Thanks, Chris. Up your nutrients cut back on the length of light. I had plants with better growths than my own beard. Cutting out the light doesn't do the trick.... but increasing my light level to @ 2 watts/gallon, upping the CO2, cutting back 10 hrs a day of light, and the Tom Barr method of dosing nutrients ....... slowly did the trick. along with manually trimming the worst of it. A hydrogen peroxide works well if you want to clean up a more delicate plants. Now everything is fine, till I forget something .....;-) or go on vacation. bob |
Eradicating BBA
It worked like a charm for me 10 months ago in my 3' tank. It takes 2 weeks
treatment(1 drop/`15G) although it seems to take about 8 days to actually kick in and then you'll notice the reduction very very quickly. 30% water changes every 3 days if I remember correctly as it totally decimates your biological filter bacteria (words to that effect on the fine print box, hehe). I still occasionally get it in my planted low light 3' tank if I overdose iron or neglect water changes for a month. I've had minor traces of it in my high light/CO2 4' tank if you look hard enough for a few minutes amost since it was set up a year ago but have never had to add any azoo treatment to this tank. "Michi Henning" wrote in message ... "Chris_S" wrote in message ... WOW! Now that's real news. I found the manfs product info: http://www.azoo.com.tw/azoo_en/modul...eview&bkid=309 It's AZOO product number AZ17086. I found another user post somewhere and they said it got rid of their BBA in 14 days. If true, that is very good news indeed. The only fish stores that seem to have it are outside the US. Have not found it yet in any of the US websites. It's certainly worth a try if I can get some. Thanks for the info!!! Well, I've never tried it, so I'm looking for people with first-hand experience *before* I get all excited :-) I've heard anecdotes at my LFS that the stuff works. But I don't know anything else about it. For example, is it safe for crustaceans? (Azoo Algae Treater is *not*.) Anyway, if anyone has tried the stuff, I'd be keen to hear how well it worked. Cheers, Michi. -- Michi Henning Ph: +61 4 1118-2700 ZeroC, Inc. http://www.zeroc.com |
Eradicating BBA
"Chris_S" wrote in message ... Hi: I've tried running the CO2 from 5PPM to 30PPM. You're right having it higher and more plant growth helps, but the BBA still does not go away. It just slows down. I have no problem with any other kind of algae. Just BBA. Blackout will have no effect. The doc in the Krib and elsewhere says same thing. BBA will just go dormant. People have taken out rocks with BBA on them, let them dry in air 6 months, then put them back in water, and the BBA starts right back where it left off. This stuff is HARD to kill. The only thing that kills it is Chlorine or Copper Sulphate. Even Copper takes 3-5 days to kill it. Chlorine only takes minutes. Water control can help or make things worse, but it will never get rid of it. You could put a rock with BBA in distilled water and the BBA will not die. Probably just go into hibernation and come back when there are nutrients around. The only way I see to kill BBA without killing the plants is Chlorine or Copper. I've tried everything else. It's time to sterilize the tank. I'm just kicking myself that I did not sterilize the plants and rocks in Chlorine when I set this new tank up 2 months ago. I had the perfect opportunity then to start off with a clean tank. That would have been the perfect time to get rid of this BBA. Now I see no choice but the hard way. Thanks, Chris. Up your nutrients cut back on the length of light. I had plants with better growths than my own beard. Cutting out the light doesn't do the trick.... but increasing my light level to @ 2 watts/gallon, upping the CO2, cutting back 10 hrs a day of light, and the Tom Barr method of dosing nutrients ....... slowly did the trick. along with manually trimming the worst of it. A hydrogen peroxide works well if you want to clean up a more delicate plants. Now everything is fine, till I forget something .....;-) or go on vacation. bob |
Eradicating BBA
That's very encouraging news.
Where did you buy it? I can't find anywhere in the USA that has it. Thanks, Chris. "Tasslehoff Burfoot" wrote in message ... It worked like a charm for me 10 months ago in my 3' tank. It takes 2 weeks treatment(1 drop/`15G) although it seems to take about 8 days to actually kick in and then you'll notice the reduction very very quickly. 30% water changes every 3 days if I remember correctly as it totally decimates your biological filter bacteria (words to that effect on the fine print box, hehe). I still occasionally get it in my planted low light 3' tank if I overdose iron or neglect water changes for a month. I've had minor traces of it in my high light/CO2 4' tank if you look hard enough for a few minutes amost since it was set up a year ago but have never had to add any azoo treatment to this tank. "Michi Henning" wrote in message ... "Chris_S" wrote in message ... WOW! Now that's real news. I found the manfs product info: http://www.azoo.com.tw/azoo_en/modul...eview&bkid=309 It's AZOO product number AZ17086. I found another user post somewhere and they said it got rid of their BBA in 14 days. If true, that is very good news indeed. The only fish stores that seem to have it are outside the US. Have not found it yet in any of the US websites. It's certainly worth a try if I can get some. Thanks for the info!!! Well, I've never tried it, so I'm looking for people with first-hand experience *before* I get all excited :-) I've heard anecdotes at my LFS that the stuff works. But I don't know anything else about it. For example, is it safe for crustaceans? (Azoo Algae Treater is *not*.) Anyway, if anyone has tried the stuff, I'd be keen to hear how well it worked. Cheers, Michi. -- Michi Henning Ph: +61 4 1118-2700 ZeroC, Inc. http://www.zeroc.com |
Eradicating BBA
"Chris_S" wrote in message
... Hi: There was no phosphate in the water at all. Well, there's your problem. Or at least one of them. There's a very simple and frequently mentioned principle to getting rid of algae. FOCUS ON THE PLANTS. Give them abundant nutrients, including NO3, PO4, & K, but most importantly CO2. Forget about the algae for a while. When the plants are at their *optimal* health, the algae will go away automatically. If you still have algae, then your plants not at their peak health. Don't ask me how this works, but it works for sure. It might have something to do with O2 levels, I don't know. As you probably found out, it's impossible to kill BBA by trying to starve it. Here are the nutrient levels you need to keep: CO2: 25-35 ppm (at all times) NO3: 5-15 ppm PO4: at least 0.5 ppm K: ~20 ppm estimated For traces, you need to watch for iron deficiency and add as much of your trace supplement as necessary to keep it from occuring. You have to obtain some KNO3, K2SO4, KH2PO4, and either Seachem Flourish or Tropica MasterGrow, if you don't have these already. Check the archive of this newsgroup for sources of these. You'd probably have to add around 3/4 tsp of each KNO3 and K2SO4, and a few pinches of KH2PO4 per week, but search the archive for more thorough instructions. Yet the BBA on the plants which were put in the tank still grew. From what else I read, and from my experience, any water that will grow plants will grow BBA. Not true. How is it that so many planted tanks have flourishing plants, no algae eaters, and no visible BBA? It's not because algae cells simply don't exist in those tanks. So, I have come to the decision that killing it all in the entire tank system is the only real solution. From what I read either Chlorine or Copper will do it. Chlorine seems to work much faster. What I plan to do is: Any other suggestions or advice? Yes, don't even consider it. As far as I'm concerned, your method is short-sighted and the complete OPPOSITE of what you should be doing. It does nothing beneficial for plants. It may kill your fish, and more likely than not will lead you to more frustration because of this or other algae issues. Support for methods like this makes me kind of angry, because they completely disregard the proper way of controlling algae, by caring for the plants. It's been established and is discussed frequently on this newsgroup and on the Aquatic Plants Digest by Tom Barr and others. First try feeding your plants adequately, and *then* use poisonous substances to try to kill algae if you want. But the only thing that will work for you is keeping the nutrient levels high, if you ask me. __ Alex pcalex (at) hotpop.com |
Eradicating BBA
"Chris_S" wrote in message
... It's AZOO product number AZ17086. I found another user post somewhere and they said it got rid of their BBA in 14 days. If true, that is very good news indeed. The only fish stores that seem to have it are outside the US. Have not found it yet in any of the US websites. There are products available in the US that achieve the same result and probably cost much less. They are called plant nutrients, i.e. Potassium Nitrate, Potassium Sulphate, etc. The only side effect is that they make your plants grow. __ Alex pcalex (at) hotpop.com |
Eradicating BBA
Go Alex, very sound advice IMO !!! -- **So long, and thanks for all the fish!** "Alex R" wrote in message news:m2z5c.23159$J05.163678@attbi_s01... "Chris_S" wrote in message ... Hi: There was no phosphate in the water at all. Well, there's your problem. Or at least one of them. There's a very simple and frequently mentioned principle to getting rid of algae. FOCUS ON THE PLANTS. Give them abundant nutrients, including NO3, PO4, & K, but most importantly CO2. Forget about the algae for a while. When the plants are at their *optimal* health, the algae will go away automatically. If you still have algae, then your plants not at their peak health. Don't ask me how this works, but it works for sure. It might have something to do with O2 levels, I don't know. As you probably found out, it's impossible to kill BBA by trying to starve it. Here are the nutrient levels you need to keep: CO2: 25-35 ppm (at all times) NO3: 5-15 ppm PO4: at least 0.5 ppm K: ~20 ppm estimated For traces, you need to watch for iron deficiency and add as much of your trace supplement as necessary to keep it from occuring. You have to obtain some KNO3, K2SO4, KH2PO4, and either Seachem Flourish or Tropica MasterGrow, if you don't have these already. Check the archive of this newsgroup for sources of these. You'd probably have to add around 3/4 tsp of each KNO3 and K2SO4, and a few pinches of KH2PO4 per week, but search the archive for more thorough instructions. Yet the BBA on the plants which were put in the tank still grew. From what else I read, and from my experience, any water that will grow plants will grow BBA. Not true. How is it that so many planted tanks have flourishing plants, no algae eaters, and no visible BBA? It's not because algae cells simply don't exist in those tanks. So, I have come to the decision that killing it all in the entire tank system is the only real solution. From what I read either Chlorine or Copper will do it. Chlorine seems to work much faster. What I plan to do is: Any other suggestions or advice? Yes, don't even consider it. As far as I'm concerned, your method is short-sighted and the complete OPPOSITE of what you should be doing. It does nothing beneficial for plants. It may kill your fish, and more likely than not will lead you to more frustration because of this or other algae issues. Support for methods like this makes me kind of angry, because they completely disregard the proper way of controlling algae, by caring for the plants. It's been established and is discussed frequently on this newsgroup and on the Aquatic Plants Digest by Tom Barr and others. First try feeding your plants adequately, and *then* use poisonous substances to try to kill algae if you want. But the only thing that will work for you is keeping the nutrient levels high, if you ask me. __ Alex pcalex (at) hotpop.com |
Eradicating BBA
There was no phosphate in the water at all.
Well, there's your problem. Gee, for years other people told me that the cause of BBA was too much phosphate. Now you say having no phosphate causes it. This is typical of the conflicting information I often here about BBA problems. Obviously you are of the camp that believes you can control BBA with the water. I bought into that mentality for years, and fought the BBA using that method. The BBA won. Maybe for some people, their water, their plants, and their type of BBA, that method can have some success. But it is very clear from everything else I have read that more and more 'water treatment' people are becoming convinced that BBA is a different kind of problem entirely. I have seen really nice show aquariums with tons of plant growth and no BBA. When I ask the aqua person how they did it, they tell me: "I rinse every plant in Chlorine before I put it in the tank - I don't let BBA in the tank". That is how they handle it, they prevent it. Once it gets in it's like cancer. Some may go into remission, some may go away, some may respond to therapy, but in most cases it will keep growing. I've had plant growth through the top of the tank. Swords with 24 inch leaves, and so much plant growth I had to prune plants every week. Yet the BBA never went away. I've read articles from other people who believed that water control could combat BBA as well, yet they were left scratching their heads when they lost the fight and the BBA kept growing. I do not know if you have any BBA in your tank(s) right now, but if you would really like to test your theories in practice, I would be happy to send you some of mine. I can send you a rock or plant with the BBA species I have. Just let me know. Regards, Chris. |
Eradicating BBA
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Up your nutrients cut back on the length of light. I had plants with better growths than my own beard. Cutting out the light doesn't do the trick.... but increasing my light level to @ 2 watts/gallon, upping the CO2, cutting back 10 hrs a day of light, and the Tom Barr method of dosing nutrients ...... slowly did the trick. along with manually trimming the worst of it. A hydrogen peroxide works well if you want to clean up a more delicate plants. Now everything is fine, till I forget something .....;-) or go on vacation. bob Is there a website that elaborates on the Tom Barr method of dosing? Thanks, Harry -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Eradicating BBA
There was no phosphate in the water at all.
Well, there's your problem. Gee, for years other people told me that the cause of BBA was too much phosphate. Now you say having no phosphate causes it. This is typical of the conflicting information I often here about BBA problems. Obviously you are of the camp that believes you can control BBA with the water. I bought into that mentality for years, and fought the BBA using that method. The BBA won. Maybe for some people, their water, their plants, and their type of BBA, that method can have some success. But it is very clear from everything else I have read that more and more 'water treatment' people are becoming convinced that BBA is a different kind of problem entirely. I have seen really nice show aquariums with tons of plant growth and no BBA. When I ask the aqua person how they did it, they tell me: "I rinse every plant in Chlorine before I put it in the tank - I don't let BBA in the tank". That is how they handle it, they prevent it. Once it gets in it's like cancer. Some may go into remission, some may go away, some may respond to therapy, but in most cases it will keep growing. I've had plant growth through the top of the tank. Swords with 24 inch leaves, and so much plant growth I had to prune plants every week. Yet the BBA never went away. I've read articles from other people who believed that water control could combat BBA as well, yet they were left scratching their heads when they lost the fight and the BBA kept growing. I do not know if you have any BBA in your tank(s) right now, but if you would really like to test your theories in practice, I would be happy to send you some of mine. I can send you a rock or plant with the BBA species I have. Just let me know. Regards, Chris. I see that your situation has set your mind already.... it's easy to give up, easier than fixing the problem and I admit, I have been battling BBA for 4 months and what caused mine, is a three fold effect. 1, ran out of CO2, 2 days... only 2 days and it started. 2, PMDD ran out... 3, water changes were neglected for an extra 2 weeks.... In a period of 2 weeks, my tank went haywire... 2 swords that were beautiful, covered, my anubias, trashed, sunset hygro, wadded up with BBA... The only way I know to fix it, was to clean what algae I could, manually... Soak whatever equipment in Chlorine bleach, and startup the CO2 and ferts again... 2 weeks later, it's not growing, but its' a daily manual removal routine that I get into, and it's getting better every day.... There is hope, but only if youre not in denial, that you MUST do something, it isn't such an easy fix that it'll just hit you one day... it's a serious method of nutrients, and CO2... you can deny all you want... Tom Barr knows his stuff... -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) 1987 TRX250R (sold) 1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold) 1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold) 1995 TRX300ex (sold) 2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff* '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum). |
Eradicating BBA
I guess I no longer believe that there are any water conditions under which
BBA will not survive. Sure you can make it grow faster or slower, but the point is it keeps growing once it is in your tank. That is not true with Green algae. That you can control and essentially make it disappear. I've never had any significant problem with Green algae. BBA is Red algae (Rhodophytes) and is NOT at all related to Green algae (Chlorophytes). There are over 5000 species of Red algae of which about 200 are freshwater. Most are sal****er. This is seaweed. BBA is really nothing more than freshwater seaweed, and is of a completely different nature than Green algae. It is probably unfortunate that the common term "algae" is use for both because they are totally different. I hear a lot of people describing water treatment methods that certainly have a big affect when dealing with Green algae. But I no longer believe that these methods are relavant or anywhere near as useful for Red algae. Red algae does not respond in the same way at all - it is tenacious. Nick Franks wrote a good article about Red Algae in 1996. As he says, Red Algae is designed to survive on low nutrients. You cannot starve it out of existence. It can survive a long time without photosynthesis. Your plants will die long before it does. The whole point of his article was that once you get it in your tank, you're in for a battle. There's no winning in this game, just minimizing your defeat. His #1 recommendation was to eliminate it before it gets in your tank. Once you have it in your tank, well I guess you could say it's probably like having Herpes. You just have to learn how to live with it. I am fed up living with it and I want it out. Regards, Chris. |
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