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I was reading up on that last night. They say they are very
effective on algae, but it of course needs to be in the water. UV would probably be very good at preventing expansion of the BBA by killing the spores and gammets traveling in the water. It would probably kill those outright which in theory would stop the spread of BBA. But of course it would not do anything for the stuff already on surfaces in the tank. UV might be a good way to go for someone who wants to mechanically get rid of what they can themselves, and then use the UV to kill the spread through the water. I'm going with Chlorine. The possibility of getting rid of BBA permanently is just too attractive to pass up. Chris. Good luck, and take pics, document and keep us posted... your endeavors will save someone from giving up the hobby in years or days to come... -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) 1987 TRX250R (sold) 1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold) 1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold) 1995 TRX300ex (sold) 2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff* '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum). |
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"RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... Good luck, and take pics, document and keep us posted... your endeavors will save someone from giving up the hobby in years or days to come... -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! and therein my friend is the key. Many people have dumped this hobby because of serious algae problems. You can literally feel the frustration in Chris's posts and from reading his responses he has been in the hobby for years. Man since this thread started I've found myself examining every tank very closely. I have noticed some tufts on my driftwood and one rock in my big planted tank. They hit the bleach today. Rick |
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"RedForeman ©®" wrote in message
Good luck, and take pics, document and keep us posted... your endeavors will save someone from giving up the hobby in years or days to come... and therein my friend is the key. Many people have dumped this hobby because of serious algae problems. You can literally feel the frustration in Chris's posts and from reading his responses he has been in the hobby for years. Man since this thread started I've found myself examining every tank very closely. I have noticed some tufts on my driftwood and one rock in my big planted tank. They hit the bleach today. Rick Yeah, my 29g that Ive been battling now for 3 months, may just get the big nuke... I've been leaning away from it... (lazy, too much work, etc) and I really was hoping someone would chime in with more info, but it seems as though Chris has done his homework and educated us all... When I went looking for the info, it wasnt' there, or as much as it is now... which is nice... I'm like you, I'll be looking a bit more tonite... -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) 1987 TRX250R (sold) 1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold) 1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold) 1995 TRX300ex (sold) 2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff* '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum). |
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I agree with happy camper on this one. You can nuke the tank but if
you don't fix the cause it will all come back. H2O2 is great to get rid of algae in your tank without having to remove any plants or fish, it just takes a long time as you can only treat a small section at a time. I used up to 1ml per gallon without any problems, I used a siringe to squirt the BBA directly on items that could not be pulled out of the tank, then waited an hour and did a large water change. I kept doing this before each weekly water change until everything was gone. Obviously however, I had already fixed the cause of this algae which was low CO2 levels in my case. Anything you can remove from the tank, just dip it in a more concentrated H2O2 solution, it's a nice product to use because you don't have to worry about rinsing everything very well, just a quick rinse and put it back in the tank. I even dipped anubias covered driftwood in a bucket with 5ml H2O2 per gallon of water without any problems, just a little burned edges around the leaves. Bleach is more agressive, more effective, but requires you to remove everything including fish and plants, you'll also probably loose your cycle if you're not careful, plus all that rinsing and redoing the entire tank..... no thanks. But definetly attack the cause first, once you have stopped it from spreading and all that is left is removing what's already there, use whichever method you prefer, bleach or H2O2, they both work. Hope that helps Giancarlo Podio "Happy'Cam'per" wrote in message ... It has real results. That is the conclusion I have come to as well. On the contrary my dear Watson ;) It has Immediate visual results, but certainly not real. This is as artificial as they come, you're cheating ;) where's the fun in that? Go ahead and bleach your plants and equipment, give it a month and write back and let us know if it has returned. This will be interesting to know. You're still not dealing with the root cause. Patience is a game that has more rewarding outcomes! Especially with planted tanks :) Good luck. |
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"Chris_S" wrote in message news:OpU5c.59066
It doesn't seem like you've really tried focusing on plant health/growth before. Really. Well I don't seem to have much problem growing plants. Just can't stop the BBA from growing along with it. I'm sorry, but I don't think you've really understood what I've been saying all along. You can grow plants very well with less than optimal conditions. In my algae days, I've had great plant growth, but the algae was still overwhelming to say the least. It wasn't until I started to provide *everything* my plants needed that I got my break with algae. If there's anything I learned, it's that the more you fight algae, the more "aggressive" it becomes. That's why "water control" methods don't work if the only goal you have in mind is stopping algae. But judging from your other posts in this thread, you're not really interested in getting specific help. You're just seeking approval for your bleaching method. I highly doubt that your tank has some algae species that's non-existent in almost every other algae-free tank. There is no quick cure for algae, IMO. __ Alex R |
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"Chris_S" wrote in message
... against the wall wasting my time. If you have weeds in your lawn, do you think you can get rid of them by controlling how much grass fertilizer you put on? No, you spray them and kill them. I'm pretty sure spraying is not the proper way to take care of weeds. I believe it's saturating your lawn with desired grass by properly feeding it, etc., so that weeds don't have any space to grow. Very similar principle to planted tanks regarding plants/algae. When your fish get sick do you give them medicine? No. The proper way is to correct the stressful conditions in your aquarium. If they weren't stressful in the first place, your fish wouldn't get sick. Again, similarity to plants/algae. If they get parasites do you kill them with chemicals? Parasites shouldn't be there in the first place. They can't be compared to algae because algae is a natural part of any aquarium ecosystem. What's the difference? The difference is taking the newbie approach or taking the more experienced approch. __ Alex pcalex (at) hotpop.com |
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:52:05 GMT, "Chris_S" wrote:
Perhaps I have had success has to do with my limited plant selection. My lights are under 2 wpg and I finally bought only plants that accept that condition. If those not getting a fix are using high light and/or co2 maybe that has something to do with the failures. Hey, count yourself lucky. There are around 200 species of fresh water Red Algae so you may not have the same stuff others have. If you have any doubt about how nasty and tenacious this stuff can be, just do a search for BBA ALGAE or look at the following link: http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/bleach.html Chris. I was not lucky for 3 or 4 months. I did a lot of reading and experimenting. I am grateful that my tank survived. I may not be able to pin down the exact cure, but I do not I got rid of a nasty problem. I am just doing my best to share. I don't need to read another article to know that BBA is hard to get rid of. I lived the problem long enough. |
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:52:05 GMT, "Chris_S" wrote:
Perhaps I have had success has to do with my limited plant selection. My lights are under 2 wpg and I finally bought only plants that accept that condition. If those not getting a fix are using high light and/or co2 maybe that has something to do with the failures. Hey, count yourself lucky. There are around 200 species of fresh water Red Algae so you may not have the same stuff others have. If you have any doubt about how nasty and tenacious this stuff can be, just do a search for BBA ALGAE or look at the following link: http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/bleach.html Chris. I was not lucky for 3 or 4 months. I did a lot of reading and experimenting. I am grateful that my tank survived. I may not be able to pin down the exact cure, but I do not I got rid of a nasty problem. I am just doing my best to share. I don't need to read another article to know that BBA is hard to get rid of. I lived the problem long enough. |
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:52:05 GMT, "Chris_S" wrote:
Perhaps I have had success has to do with my limited plant selection. My lights are under 2 wpg and I finally bought only plants that accept that condition. If those not getting a fix are using high light and/or co2 maybe that has something to do with the failures. Hey, count yourself lucky. There are around 200 species of fresh water Red Algae so you may not have the same stuff others have. If you have any doubt about how nasty and tenacious this stuff can be, just do a search for BBA ALGAE or look at the following link: http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/bleach.html Chris. I was not lucky for 3 or 4 months. I did a lot of reading and experimenting. I am grateful that my tank survived. I may not be able to pin down the exact cure, but I do not I got rid of a nasty problem. I am just doing my best to share. I don't need to read another article to know that BBA is hard to get rid of. I lived the problem long enough. |
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"RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... "RedForeman ©®" wrote in message Good luck, and take pics, document and keep us posted... your endeavors will save someone from giving up the hobby in years or days to come... and therein my friend is the key. Many people have dumped this hobby because of serious algae problems. You can literally feel the frustration in Chris's posts and from reading his responses he has been in the hobby for years. Man since this thread started I've found myself examining every tank very closely. I have noticed some tufts on my driftwood and one rock in my big planted tank. They hit the bleach today. Rick Yeah, my 29g that Ive been battling now for 3 months, may just get the big nuke... I've been leaning away from it... (lazy, too much work, etc) and I really was hoping someone would chime in with more info, but it seems as though Chris has done his homework and educated us all... When I went looking for the info, it wasnt' there, or as much as it is now... which is nice... I'm like you, I'll be looking a bit more tonite... -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! it's been an interesting thread with lots of good information. If I was just noticing the start of an outbreak then I would manually trim off the affected leaves, check water parameters, make sure I was getting lots of CO2 saturation and try to deal with it without the big nuke but once it gets rampant in the tank then why fool around. Get rid of it and start over. In my case I always have lots of filters running and tanks with seasoned gravel so I don't have to worry about cycling the tank all over again. Chris, looking back over your posts you gave water conditions with a GH of 6 degrees and CO2 at 25 PPM . I assume if you measured GH that you measured KH also? Rick |
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But judging from your other posts in this thread, you're not really
interested in getting specific help. You're just seeking approval for your bleaching method. I highly doubt that your tank has some algae species that's non-existent in almost every other algae-free tank. There is no quick cure for algae, IMO. __ Alex R I was thinking the same thing, until I did a simple search on 'red algae' and after several pages of reading, it became clean, Neil Frank determined that there wasn't a limit, or overabundance of anything, except this red algae.. It won't starve, because it creates it's own food, you can't kill it, simply... I know, I'm back tracking a bit... but only because I did a bit MORE research and learned that even good ideas are sometimes aimed at the wrong target... Nutrients won't kill/starve/rid yourself of red, RED algae.. I'm not trying to sway your thoughts, here's what I read. it's all about the Rhodophyta (red algae) http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/brush-algae.html http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/red-algae.html http://www.netpets.com/fish/referenc...obacteria.html I have seen that black brush algae, is in fact red algae.... In older stages of it, it does have a red hue to it, and when old, it becomes grayish, white and then becomes nearly impossible to pull off plants, and devices... Hey, aren't we all learning a bit from this?? I know I am.... I learned that I'm going to buy a couple gallons of bleach this weekend.... ^?^ -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) 1987 TRX250R (sold) 1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold) 1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold) 1995 TRX300ex (sold) 2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff* '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum). |
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But judging from your other posts in this thread, you're not really
interested in getting specific help. You're just seeking approval for your bleaching method. I highly doubt that your tank has some algae species that's non-existent in almost every other algae-free tank. There is no quick cure for algae, IMO. __ Alex R I was thinking the same thing, until I did a simple search on 'red algae' and after several pages of reading, it became clean, Neil Frank determined that there wasn't a limit, or overabundance of anything, except this red algae.. It won't starve, because it creates it's own food, you can't kill it, simply... I know, I'm back tracking a bit... but only because I did a bit MORE research and learned that even good ideas are sometimes aimed at the wrong target... Nutrients won't kill/starve/rid yourself of red, RED algae.. I'm not trying to sway your thoughts, here's what I read. it's all about the Rhodophyta (red algae) http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/brush-algae.html http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/red-algae.html http://www.netpets.com/fish/referenc...obacteria.html I have seen that black brush algae, is in fact red algae.... In older stages of it, it does have a red hue to it, and when old, it becomes grayish, white and then becomes nearly impossible to pull off plants, and devices... Hey, aren't we all learning a bit from this?? I know I am.... I learned that I'm going to buy a couple gallons of bleach this weekend.... ^?^ -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) 1987 TRX250R (sold) 1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold) 1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold) 1995 TRX300ex (sold) 2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff* '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum). |
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No Red NOooooooooo....Don't do it, come back to the light side ;) Don't let
these heathens suck you down. LOL :) -- **So long, and thanks for all the fish!** "RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... But judging from your other posts in this thread, you're not really interested in getting specific help. You're just seeking approval for your bleaching method. I highly doubt that your tank has some algae species that's non-existent in almost every other algae-free tank. There is no quick cure for algae, IMO. __ Alex R I was thinking the same thing, until I did a simple search on 'red algae' and after several pages of reading, it became clean, Neil Frank determined that there wasn't a limit, or overabundance of anything, except this red algae.. It won't starve, because it creates it's own food, you can't kill it, simply... I know, I'm back tracking a bit... but only because I did a bit MORE research and learned that even good ideas are sometimes aimed at the wrong target... Nutrients won't kill/starve/rid yourself of red, RED algae.. I'm not trying to sway your thoughts, here's what I read. it's all about the Rhodophyta (red algae) http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/brush-algae.html http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/red-algae.html http://www.netpets.com/fish/referenc...obacteria.html I have seen that black brush algae, is in fact red algae.... In older stages of it, it does have a red hue to it, and when old, it becomes grayish, white and then becomes nearly impossible to pull off plants, and devices... Hey, aren't we all learning a bit from this?? I know I am.... I learned that I'm going to buy a couple gallons of bleach this weekend.... ^?^ -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) 1987 TRX250R (sold) 1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold) 1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold) 1995 TRX300ex (sold) 2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff* '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum). |
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No Red NOooooooooo....Don't do it, come back to the light side ;) Don't let
these heathens suck you down. LOL :) -- **So long, and thanks for all the fish!** "RedForeman ©®" wrote in message ... But judging from your other posts in this thread, you're not really interested in getting specific help. You're just seeking approval for your bleaching method. I highly doubt that your tank has some algae species that's non-existent in almost every other algae-free tank. There is no quick cure for algae, IMO. __ Alex R I was thinking the same thing, until I did a simple search on 'red algae' and after several pages of reading, it became clean, Neil Frank determined that there wasn't a limit, or overabundance of anything, except this red algae.. It won't starve, because it creates it's own food, you can't kill it, simply... I know, I'm back tracking a bit... but only because I did a bit MORE research and learned that even good ideas are sometimes aimed at the wrong target... Nutrients won't kill/starve/rid yourself of red, RED algae.. I'm not trying to sway your thoughts, here's what I read. it's all about the Rhodophyta (red algae) http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/brush-algae.html http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Algae/red-algae.html http://www.netpets.com/fish/referenc...obacteria.html I have seen that black brush algae, is in fact red algae.... In older stages of it, it does have a red hue to it, and when old, it becomes grayish, white and then becomes nearly impossible to pull off plants, and devices... Hey, aren't we all learning a bit from this?? I know I am.... I learned that I'm going to buy a couple gallons of bleach this weekend.... ^?^ -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) 1987 TRX250R (sold) 1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold) 1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold) 1995 TRX300ex (sold) 2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff* '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum). |
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No Red NOooooooooo....Don't do it, come back to the light side ;)
Don't let these heathens suck you down. LOL :) HA-HA!!! I'm not particularly looking forward to it, I'm trying the CO2, ferts idea for a while first... but after some reading... eeehh??? -- RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike streetfighter!!! ========================== 2003 TRX450ES 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale) 1987 TRX250R (sold) 1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold) 1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold) 1995 TRX300ex (sold) 2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff* '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted.... ========================== ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum). |
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