Sj
"Sj" wrote in message


But the other thought on this yEnc thing is this:
If you post, I am going to assume you post to
share ... if you then yEnc & create problems for
those who don't/won't/can't see your stuff,
you're defeating the reason you're posting ...


When you say trouble what do you mean? Not indicating so in the subject line
so that people wont spend time unnecessarily?

Mariana

"Sj" wrote
It's a problem for those who don't wish to be bothered
w/ yEnc, for whatever reason ... if the proper software
is used, the posting software automatically puts yEnc
in the header ... if not, the poster is using broken
software ... maybe people should let them know,
though some posters won't care ...

http://www.techsono.com/faq/yenc.html

Ah! So perhaps that's why I still can't see some yEnc posts despite buying
the necessary software to decode it automatically in OE.
Most annoying (or words to that effect!). :-)
--
Regards
Bob Hobden
17mls W. of London.UK

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...

"Sj" wrote
It's a problem for those who don't wish to be bothered
w/ yEnc, for whatever reason ... if the proper software
is used, the posting software automatically puts yEnc
in the header ... if not, the poster is using broken
software ... maybe people should let them know,
though some posters won't care ...

http://www.techsono.com/faq/yenc.html

Ah! So perhaps that's why I still can't see some yEnc posts despite
buying the necessary software to decode it automatically in OE.
Most annoying (or words to that effect!). :-)

Software to decode yEnc is free.

--
Travis in Shoreline Washington

T r a v i s wrote:
"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...

"Sj" wrote
It's a problem for those who don't wish to be bothered
w/ yEnc, for whatever reason ... if the proper software
is used, the posting software automatically puts yEnc
in the header ... if not, the poster is using broken
software ... maybe people should let them know,
though some posters won't care ...

http://www.techsono.com/faq/yenc.html

Ah! So perhaps that's why I still can't see some yEnc posts despite
buying the necessary software to decode it automatically in OE.
Most annoying (or words to that effect!). :-)

Software to decode yEnc is free.


But why should anyone have to get additional software, free or not, just
to decode a message posted in a non-standard format?

--
Wolf
'Just because it's true doesn't mean it's the right answer.'

"Wolf" wrote in message
...
T r a v i s wrote:
"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...

"Sj" wrote
It's a problem for those who don't wish to be bothered
w/ yEnc, for whatever reason ... if the proper software
is used, the posting software automatically puts yEnc
in the header ... if not, the poster is using broken
software ... maybe people should let them know,
though some posters won't care ...

http://www.techsono.com/faq/yenc.html

Ah! So perhaps that's why I still can't see some yEnc posts despite
buying the necessary software to decode it automatically in OE.
Most annoying (or words to that effect!). :-)

Software to decode yEnc is free.


But why should anyone have to get additional software, free or not,
just to decode a message posted in a non-standard format?


No one has to get it.

Haven't you ever used additional software to perform some function that
isn't included with Windows or OS X? For instance .pdf files need a
..pdf reader and neither Windows or Apple make one.



--
Travis in Shoreline Washington

"T r a v i s" wrote after "Bob Hobden" and "Sj" wrote
It's a problem for those who don't wish to be bothered
w/ yEnc, for whatever reason ... if the proper software
is used, the posting software automatically puts yEnc
in the header ... if not, the poster is using broken
software ... maybe people should let them know,
though some posters won't care ...

http://www.techsono.com/faq/yenc.html

Ah! So perhaps that's why I still can't see some yEnc posts despite
buying the necessary software to decode it automatically in OE.
Most annoying (or words to that effect!). :-)

Software to decode yEnc is free.

Yes there is free software but when I tried it you had to save the photo to
your PC and then do through a procedure to decode it, save it again and then
it might be viewable depending on the version of yEnc that had been used. I
do not save photos to my PC, even most of my own are put straight to DVD
unless I delete them first.
I paid for software that is supposed to work seamlessly with OE....we shall
see IDC!
--
Regards
Bob Hobden
17mls W. of London.UK

Bob Hobden wrote:
"T r a v i s" wrote after "Bob Hobden" and "Sj" wrote
It's a problem for those who don't wish to be bothered
w/ yEnc, for whatever reason ... if the proper software
is used, the posting software automatically puts yEnc
in the header ... if not, the poster is using broken
software ... maybe people should let them know,
though some posters won't care ...

http://www.techsono.com/faq/yenc.html

Ah! So perhaps that's why I still can't see some yEnc posts despite
buying the necessary software to decode it automatically in OE.
Most annoying (or words to that effect!). :-)
Software to decode yEnc is free.

Yes there is free software but when I tried it you had to save the photo to
your PC and then do through a procedure to decode it, save it again and then
it might be viewable depending on the version of yEnc that had been used. I
do not save photos to my PC, even most of my own are put straight to DVD
unless I delete them first.
I paid for software that is supposed to work seamlessly with OE....we shall
see IDC!


I just tried a nother news reader, offered by a site that _promotes_
yEnc. Very enthusiastic, these people are. Think yEnc is the bees knees.

The program is called NewzTools, and is one of the worst I've ever seen.
Can't specify how many headers to download, doesn't fetch the ISP's
newshost's news group list, doesn't sort headers, and - oh, I don't know
what else. I gave up after trying it on alt.binaries.multimedia.rail. It
supposedly d/l 300 headers, but less than 100 showed on the screen. "Get
Older Posts" behaved erratically, sometimes adding just one header,
sometimes added a dozen or so.

Well, it was free, so I guess it was worth what I paid for it. ;-)

--
Wolf
'Just because it's true doesn't mean it's the right answer.'

"Wolf" wrote in message
m...
Bob Hobden wrote:
"T r a v i s" wrote after "Bob Hobden" and "Sj" wrote
It's a problem for those who don't wish to be bothered
w/ yEnc, for whatever reason ... if the proper software
is used, the posting software automatically puts yEnc
in the header ... if not, the poster is using broken
software ... maybe people should let them know,
though some posters won't care ...

http://www.techsono.com/faq/yenc.html

Ah! So perhaps that's why I still can't see some yEnc posts despite
buying the necessary software to decode it automatically in OE.
Most annoying (or words to that effect!). :-)
Software to decode yEnc is free.

Yes there is free software but when I tried it you had to save the
photo to your PC and then do through a procedure to decode it, save
it again and then it might be viewable depending on the version of
yEnc that had been used. I do not save photos to my PC, even most of
my own are put straight to DVD unless I delete them first.
I paid for software that is supposed to work seamlessly with OE....we
shall see IDC!


I just tried a nother news reader, offered by a site that _promotes_
yEnc. Very enthusiastic, these people are. Think yEnc is the bees
knees.

The program is called NewzTools, and is one of the worst I've ever
seen. Can't specify how many headers to download, doesn't fetch the
ISP's newshost's news group list, doesn't sort headers, and - oh, I
don't know what else. I gave up after trying it on
alt.binaries.multimedia.rail. It supposedly d/l 300 headers, but less
than 100 showed on the screen. "Get Older Posts" behaved erratically,
sometimes adding just one header, sometimes added a dozen or so.

Well, it was free, so I guess it was worth what I paid for it. ;-)

I use Pan http://pan.rebelbase.com/ for multipart binaries and it is
free.

--
Travis in Shoreline Washington

T r a v i s wrote:
"Wolf" wrote in message
[...]
I just tried a nother news reader, offered by a site that _promotes_
yEnc. Very enthusiastic, these people are. Think yEnc is the bees knees.

The program is called NewzTools, and is one of the worst I've ever
seen. Can't specify how many headers to download, doesn't fetch the
ISP's newshost's news group list, doesn't sort headers, and - oh, I
don't know what else. I gave up after trying it on
alt.binaries.multimedia.rail. It supposedly d/l 300 headers, but less
than 100 showed on the screen. "Get Older Posts" behaved erratically,
sometimes adding just one header, sometimes added a dozen or so.

Well, it was free, so I guess it was worth what I paid for it. ;-)

I use Pan http://pan.rebelbase.com/ for multipart binaries and it is free.



I checked the website, and see it's still a 0.xx release. Thanks for
then info. I might try it when it's gotten to 1.xx.

PS: did you catch the irony in "bees knees"?

--
Wolf
'Just because it's true doesn't mean it's the right answer.'

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...

"T r a v i s" wrote after "Bob Hobden" and "Sj" wrote
It's a problem for those who don't wish to be bothered
w/ yEnc, for whatever reason ... if the proper software
is used, the posting software automatically puts yEnc
in the header ... if not, the poster is using broken
software ... maybe people should let them know,
though some posters won't care ...

http://www.techsono.com/faq/yenc.html

Ah! So perhaps that's why I still can't see some yEnc posts despite
buying the necessary software to decode it automatically in OE.
Most annoying (or words to that effect!). :-)

Software to decode yEnc is free.

Yes there is free software but when I tried it you had to save the
photo to your PC and then do through a procedure to decode it, save it
again and then it might be viewable depending on the version of yEnc
that had been used. I do not save photos to my PC, even most of my own
are put straight to DVD unless I delete them first.
I paid for software that is supposed to work seamlessly with OE....we
shall see IDC!


yProxy is free, sits in the background and decodes yEncoded articles and
nothing needs to be saved before viewing. The pictures just appear like
they do when they are UU encoded.

Here is a link to yProxy. http://www.yproxy.com/45fa82be/ I use
yProxy13.exe.

--
Travis in Shoreline Washington

I don't think the poster is broken, but rather the recipient. yEnc has been around for so
many years that even slow MS should have been able to include it in a new version of OE.
If they choose not to, they are missing the boat. Are they self-serving or serving their
users? Pssst, I know the answer to that question...

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:11:40 -0500, Sj wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 23:36:28 GMT, "Jane Doe"
wrote:

Sj
"Sj" wrote in message


But the other thought on this yEnc thing is this:
If you post, I am going to assume you post to
share ... if you then yEnc & create problems for
those who don't/won't/can't see your stuff,
you're defeating the reason you're posting ...


When you say trouble what do you mean? Not indicating so in the subject line
so that people wont spend time unnecessarily?

Mariana

It's a problem for those who don't wish to be bothered
w/ yEnc, for whatever reason ... if the proper software
is used, the posting software automatically puts yEnc
in the header ... if not, the poster is using broken
software ... maybe people should let them know,
though some posters won't care ...

http://www.techsono.com/faq/yenc.html

Sj

Gerry Danen
http://www.lilyregister.com

Gerry D (Canada) wrote:
I don't think the poster is broken, but rather the recipient. yEnc has been around for so
many years that even slow MS should have been able to include it in a new version of OE.
If they choose not to, they are missing the boat. Are they self-serving or serving their
users? Pssst, I know the answer to that question...

Yeah, well, MS does conform to applicable international\web standards:
OE is built to receive and decode both MIME and uuencode (IIRC, it uses
MIME to send.) It so happens that newsreaders and e-mail clients on all
other platforms also conform to these standards. That's why you can read
an e-mail sent from somebody using a Mac or running on Linux, for
example. While there are lots of reasons to despise MS, this isn't one
of them.

YEnc is proprietary. MS can't simply include it in OE - they have to
make a deal with its owner, who appears to be a 1st class prat. Among
other things he has "improved" it several times in the worst way
possible: newer versions aren't backward compatible with older ones,
and/or he hasn't shared sufficient detail with the writers of
newsreaders. That's why T'bird, for example, will read some yEnc posts,
but not others. I've never bothered looking at the headers to figure out
what the difference/reason is. He's also refused to co-operate with the
international body that regulates web standards such as packet formats,
MIME, etc, without which the web wouldn't work at all. Last time I
looked at his website, he whinged about those nasty standards people who
expected him to pay out of his own pocket for the submissions etc needed
for that body to even consider adopting yEnc as another encoding
standard. IOW, he's the reason it's not a standard, not the fact that
the majority of plain ordinary computer users don't use it.

If you want the widest possible audience for his or her posts, don't use
yEnc. MIME or uuencode works with _all_ newsreaders. Most people
nowadays buy a computer as an appliance - a machine that's ready to go,
doing all the things they want it to do. Why should they get additional
software to read a post in a non-standard format?

--
Wolf
'Just because it's true doesn't mean it's the right answer.'

Wolf expounded:

If you want the widest possible audience for his or her posts, don't use
yEnc. MIME or uuencode works with _all_ newsreaders. Most people
nowadays buy a computer as an appliance - a machine that's ready to go,
doing all the things they want it to do. Why should they get additional
software to read a post in a non-standard format?

You keep saying how non-standard yEnc is, and yet there are plenty of
newsreaders out there that handle it seamlessly. Defend M$ all you
want. They are the ones who choose to not handle *all* formats, no
matter what the reason. Agent is the best $29 you'll ever spend for
reading news.
--
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
e-mail address is not checked
******************************

Ann wrote:
Wolf expounded:

If you want the widest possible audience for his or her posts, don't use
yEnc. MIME or uuencode works with _all_ newsreaders. Most people
nowadays buy a computer as an appliance - a machine that's ready to go,
doing all the things they want it to do. Why should they get additional
software to read a post in a non-standard format?

You keep saying how non-standard yEnc is, and yet there are plenty of
newsreaders out there that handle it seamlessly. Defend M$ all you
want.

Er, I don't defend MS. How did you infer that?

They are the ones who choose to not handle *all* formats, no
matter what the reason. Agent is the best $29 you'll ever spend for
reading news.

Er, I tried the freeware version of Agent, didn't like it. Can't recall
why, I don't keep notes about software I don't like. Something about
insufficient control over downloads, IIRC. Which happens to be what I
didn't like about a half dozen other newsreaders I tried. So I'm using
T'bird for want of a better (the only newsreader that did everything I
wanted it to do was PMNews, written for OS/2, and never ported, more's
the pity.)

OE is worth exactly what you pay for it.

The only MS software I use is IE, and that only for Updates, since MS's
update site won't work with any other browsers. Which is Restraint of
Trade, and illegal, but I guess Willy Wallholes is exempt.

--
Wolf
'Just because it's true doesn't mean it's the right answer.'

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 06:51:33 -0400, Ann wrote:

Wolf expounded:

If you want the widest possible audience for his or her posts, don't use
yEnc. MIME or uuencode works with _all_ newsreaders. Most people
nowadays buy a computer as an appliance - a machine that's ready to go,
doing all the things they want it to do. Why should they get additional
software to read a post in a non-standard format?

You keep saying how non-standard yEnc is, and yet there are plenty of
newsreaders out there that handle it seamlessly. Defend M$ all you
want. They are the ones who choose to not handle *all* formats, no
matter what the reason. Agent is the best $29 you'll ever spend for
reading news.

I agree, Ann. Just because somebody says it is non-standard, will not prevent people from
posting yEnc encoded material. Just by sticking to what is "proper standard" material, you
are excluding yourself from many posts.

But then again, you and I are not missing out...

Gerry Danen
http://www.lilyregister.com