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Salt water damage to azaleas
My yard was flooded by a stormsurge during the last hurricane. My
azaleas were under 3-4 feet of sal****er for most of one day. Now the leaves are turning brown. What care could I give them to salvage them, if any? |
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"sago" wrote: My yard was flooded by a stormsurge during the last hurricane. My azaleas were under 3-4 feet of sal****er for most of one day. Now the leaves are turning brown. What care could I give them to salvage them, if any? Wow!!!! I'd think about replacement with Rosa Rugosa (SP). Replace with new azaleas next . But first I'd try to clean up their root system with new soil. This is a major garden issue. 3 feet of ocean water Whew!! Look about and check with your neighbors on what survived . Bill -- Garden Shade Zone 5 in a Japanese Jungle manner. FAIR USE NOTICE: This may contain copyrighted (© ) material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. Such material is made available for educational purposes, to advance understanding of human rights, democracy, scientific, moral, ethical, and social justice issues, etc. It is believed that this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in Title 17 U.S.C. section 107 of the US Copyright Law. This material is distributed without profit. |
That's why you never find any Rhododendrons growing wild along the beaches.
Since they require acid soil in order to grow well, you must have known you were taking a serious gamble growing them at all from the very beginning. Try growing flowering shrubs tolerant of alkaline soil and salt instead. "William Wagner" wrote in message ... In article . com, "sago" wrote: My yard was flooded by a stormsurge during the last hurricane. My azaleas were under 3-4 feet of sal****er for most of one day. Now the leaves are turning brown. What care could I give them to salvage them, if any? Wow!!!! I'd think about replacement with Rosa Rugosa (SP). Replace with new azaleas next . But first I'd try to clean up their root system with new soil. This is a major garden issue. 3 feet of ocean water Whew!! Look about and check with your neighbors on what survived . Bill -- Garden Shade Zone 5 in a Japanese Jungle manner. FAIR USE NOTICE: This may contain copyrighted (© ) material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. Such material is made available for educational purposes, to advance understanding of human rights, democracy, scientific, moral, ethical, and social justice issues, etc. It is believed that this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in Title 17 U.S.C. section 107 of the US Copyright Law. This material is distributed without profit. |
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wrote: My yard was flooded by a stormsurge during the last hurricane. My azaleas were under 3-4 feet of sal****er for most of one day. Now the leaves are turning brown. What care could I give them to salvage them, if any? Rhododendrons/azaleas have low salt tolerance & it would've surprised me if they did well in reach of salt-air breezes even without being deluged in sal****er. You can try to "flush" the salt through the soil with deep watering, & mulch with a quality finished organic compost, then wait to see what survives. In the long run you may have to expect azaleas to be killed by even moderate salt exposure, & you'll have to over time replace dying shrubs with things that are salt tolerant, including for the South the yaupon holly, wax myrtle, flowering apricot, figs, cherry laurel, palms, Indian hawthorn, rosemary, jasmine, oleander, honeysuckles, many others. The azaleas that come closest to being salt tolerant are Satsuki, Gumpo, & Indica cultivars. But in general where salt exposure is likely, azaleas houldn't be planted. -paghat the ratgirl -- Get your Paghat the Ratgirl T-Shirt he http://www.paghat.com/giftshop.html "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot." -Thomas Jefferson |
These azealeas are decades old. They were here when I bought the house
5 years ago. The storm surge was very unusual for this area. They bloom profusely every year. It is sad to see them die. |
Thanks. I have flushed and mulched. Now I must just wait and see.
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"sago" wrote:
My yard was flooded by a stormsurge during the last hurricane. My azaleas were under 3-4 feet of sal****er for most of one day. Now the leaves are turning brown. What care could I give them to salvage them, Probably a funeral. Azaleas and most "acid loving plants" are sodium sensitive and salt usually kills them. I would think that totally removing all soil and replacing with good clean soil in an elevated bed might be the only hope of saving them, but not really much hope. If they are already dead, I would not use the salt water contaminated soil for azaleas. I would either use a raised bed with new soil or containers with new soil. -- Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to Visit my Rhododendron and Azalea web pages at: http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman/rhody.html Also visit the Rhododendron and Azalea Bookstore at: http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman/rhodybooks.html Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA USA Zone 6 |
It's possible to leach the salts from the water by flooding it with
fresh water often. If you can afford the water it's worth a try. We are talking laying down the equivalent of a foot of rain a few times with a few days drainage in between, But it's also likely that having waited this long that your plants are goners. Ericacious plants are not salt tolerant at all. Azaleas are in that group. Similar plants will lead you into the same kind of heartbreak. |
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azaleas were under 3-4 feet of sal****er for most of one day.
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Janet Baraclough wrote:
contains these words: Ericacious plants are not salt tolerant at all. Azaleas are in that group. Well, that just ain't so. Much of west Scotland is acid peaty soil, lashed by salty rain and salt-laden wind. Some of the commonest naturalised plants are ericaceous. Heather and rhododendron ponticum both thrive right down to the (salt)water edge here. Pieris, and deciduous and evergreen azaleas do very well, and it's common for very wind (and salt) swept gardens to have huge old deciduous azaleas as a windbreak on the sea side. West Scotland's salt-laden coast is famous for its rhododendron gardens . I spent most of the month of May visiting Scotland's famous rhododendron and azalea gardens and none grew rhododendrons nor azaleas near the open sea or near the beaches. The rhododendron and azalea gardens I visited we Royal Botanic Garden of Edinburgh (not near the sea) Glendoick Gardens, Perth (not near the sea) Branklyn Garden (NT), Perth (not near the sea) Inverewe Gardens (NT) (on Loch Ewe, a sal****er estuary, but the rhododendrons and azaleas are either grown in walled gardens or on high ground. In their official brochure they describe the "curse of the salt spray") Arduaine Gardens (NT), Inveraray (on a high slope overlooking the Sound of Jura.) Benmore Gardens (RBG), Benmore (a woodland setting not near the sea) Crarae Gardens (NT), Inveraray (on the Crarae Burn (a fresh water creek) not near the sea) Brodick Castle & Gardens, Isle of Arran (on an island on the Firth of Clyde, but it is situated high not near the sea) Not many Scots consider ponticum a garden plant. The Scots have done considerable research on the resistance of plants to the salt spray and to limestone. They have found plants which can tolerate these notorious enemies of rhododendrons and azaleas. However, there are many plants we can grow in the USA that they don't grow because of their conditions. You don't see many of our common plants over there. Surprisingly they do raise many of our "iron clads" which are fairly tolerant of many things. -- Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to Visit my Rhododendron and Azalea web pages at: http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman/rhody.html Also visit the Rhododendron and Azalea Bookstore at: http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman/rhodybooks.html Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA USA Zone 6 |
It's been in the 90's and no recent rain.
Not exactly the time to go digging and potting an allready stressed plant. YMMV |
Yeah and in 90 degree weather in the dog days of August it's not an
optimum time to dig and pot an allready stressed plant. |
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:06:06 GMT, "Cereus-validus......."
wrote: That's why you never find any Rhododendrons growing wild along the beaches. Take a trip to the Oregon coast sometime. Rhododentrons (R. macrophylum) grows to about 40 feet tall along the caost, in the sand with a lot of salt spray, and a lot of rain. |
I said Rhododendrons not Rhododentrons!!!!
Rhody breeders should try to incorporate such a species salt tolerance into the hybrids. http://www.fs.fed.us/database/feis/plants/shrub/rhomac/ http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...oog le+Search http://images.google.com/images?q=Rh...ff&sa=N&tab=wi "Charles" wrote in message ... On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:06:06 GMT, "Cereus-validus......." wrote: That's why you never find any Rhododendrons growing wild along the beaches. Take a trip to the Oregon coast sometime. Rhododentrons (R. macrophylum) grows to about 40 feet tall along the caost, in the sand with a lot of salt spray, and a lot of rain. |
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from Stephen Henning contains these words: Janet Baraclough wrote: contains these words: Ericacious plants are not salt tolerant at all. Azaleas are in that group. Well, that just ain't so. Much of west Scotland is acid peaty soil, lashed by salty rain and salt-laden wind. Some of the commonest naturalised plants are ericaceous. Heather and rhododendron ponticum both thrive right down to the (salt)water edge here. Pieris, and deciduous and evergreen azaleas do very well, and it's common for very wind (and salt) swept gardens to have huge old deciduous azaleas as a windbreak on the sea side. West Scotland's salt-laden coast is famous for its rhododendron gardens . I spent most of the month of May visiting Scotland's famous rhododendron and azalea gardens and none grew rhododendrons nor azaleas near the open sea or near the beaches. Garbage. If you were ever here, you never looked at a map. The rhododendron and azalea gardens I visited we Royal Botanic Garden of Edinburgh (not near the sea) I suggest you look at the atlas. Edinburgh is a SEAPORT. Inverewe Gardens (NT) (on Loch Ewe, a sal****er estuary, but the rhododendrons and azaleas are either grown in walled gardens or on high ground. In their official brochure they describe the "curse of the salt spray") Lochewe is a seabay, a fjiord. Open to the Atlantic Ocean. Look at that atlas again. Few if any of the rhodos there are in the sun-facing walled garden which was built for herbaceous and vegetable gardening. Arduaine Gardens (NT), Inveraray (on a high slope overlooking the Sound of Jura.) Arduaine is at sea level on the west coast, NOT at Inveraray. Benmore Gardens (RBG), Benmore (a woodland setting not near the sea) Where do you GET this garbage?????? Benmore is in a woodland setting at Dunoon on the Holy Loch; where the US Navy used to keep its submarines. Crarae Gardens (NT), Inveraray (on the Crarae Burn (a fresh water creek) not near the sea) Crarae (I work there too) is right on Loch Fyne, another sea inlet/fjiord. The freshwater burn through the garden runs into the sea. Brodick Castle & Gardens, Isle of Arran (on an island on the Firth of Clyde, but it is situated high not near the sea) This is hilarious. I live on Arran in Brodick, I work in Brodick Castle Gardens.The castle is 100 ft above SEAlevel, and less than 100 m from the water. The rhododendrons and azaleas are between the castle and the sea. As I type I am looking across the SEA bay to Brodick Castle and its gardens which run right down to the SEAwater. Many of the most important rhodos in the garden grow (and self-seed) in the section called "Plant hunter's walk", which is right down at sea level maybe 10 m from the water. Not many Scots consider ponticum a garden plant. Haven't said they do. Rp is a naturalised and highly invasive weed throughout west Scotland, right down to the sea edge. (The gardens you list grow far more than ponticum of course.). Yellow azalea is also a naturalised weed in many west coastal areas, which is why I mentioned it. The Scots have done considerable research on the resistance of plants to the salt spray and to limestone. They have found plants which can tolerate these notorious enemies of rhododendrons and azaleas. The rhododendron gardens of the west coast of Scotland are all on acid soils, not limestone. Rhododendrons, because of their resistance to salt, are often used as wind-shelter belts in the coastal gardens you mention. Janet Isle of Arran, west coast of Scotland. |
In article , Janet Baraclough
wrote: The message from Stephen Henning contains these words: Janet Baraclough wrote: contains these words: Ericacious plants are not salt tolerant at all. Azaleas are in that group. Well, that just ain't so. Much of west Scotland is acid peaty soil, lashed by salty rain and salt-laden wind. Some of the commonest naturalised plants are ericaceous. Heather and rhododendron ponticum both thrive right down to the (salt)water edge here. Pieris, and deciduous and evergreen azaleas do very well, and it's common for very wind (and salt) swept gardens to have huge old deciduous azaleas as a windbreak on the sea side. West Scotland's salt-laden coast is famous for its rhododendron gardens . I spent most of the month of May visiting Scotland's famous rhododendron and azalea gardens and none grew rhododendrons nor azaleas near the open sea or near the beaches. Garbage. If you were ever here, you never looked at a map. The rhododendron and azalea gardens I visited we Royal Botanic Garden of Edinburgh (not near the sea) I suggest you look at the atlas. Edinburgh is a SEAPORT. Inverewe Gardens (NT) (on Loch Ewe, a sal****er estuary, but the rhododendrons and azaleas are either grown in walled gardens or on high ground. In their official brochure they describe the "curse of the salt spray") Lochewe is a seabay, a fjiord. Open to the Atlantic Ocean. Look at that atlas again. Few if any of the rhodos there are in the sun-facing walled garden which was built for herbaceous and vegetable gardening. Arduaine Gardens (NT), Inveraray (on a high slope overlooking the Sound of Jura.) Arduaine is at sea level on the west coast, NOT at Inveraray. Benmore Gardens (RBG), Benmore (a woodland setting not near the sea) Where do you GET this garbage?????? Benmore is in a woodland setting at Dunoon on the Holy Loch; where the US Navy used to keep its submarines. Crarae Gardens (NT), Inveraray (on the Crarae Burn (a fresh water creek) not near the sea) Crarae (I work there too) is right on Loch Fyne, another sea inlet/fjiord. The freshwater burn through the garden runs into the sea. Brodick Castle & Gardens, Isle of Arran (on an island on the Firth of Clyde, but it is situated high not near the sea) This is hilarious. I live on Arran in Brodick, I work in Brodick Castle Gardens.The castle is 100 ft above SEAlevel, and less than 100 m from the water. The rhododendrons and azaleas are between the castle and the sea. As I type I am looking across the SEA bay to Brodick Castle and its gardens which run right down to the SEAwater. Many of the most important rhodos in the garden grow (and self-seed) in the section called "Plant hunter's walk", which is right down at sea level maybe 10 m from the water. Not many Scots consider ponticum a garden plant. Haven't said they do. Rp is a naturalised and highly invasive weed throughout west Scotland, right down to the sea edge. (The gardens you list grow far more than ponticum of course.). Yellow azalea is also a naturalised weed in many west coastal areas, which is why I mentioned it. The Scots have done considerable research on the resistance of plants to the salt spray and to limestone. They have found plants which can tolerate these notorious enemies of rhododendrons and azaleas. The rhododendron gardens of the west coast of Scotland are all on acid soils, not limestone. Rhododendrons, because of their resistance to salt, are often used as wind-shelter belts in the coastal gardens you mention. Janet Isle of Arran, west coast of Scotland. It seems a bit tawdry for a decent soul like yourself to be telling Stephen you doubt he's been to Scotland when he certainly has been or wouldn't've said he had -- he's well enough known in the rhody community that if he started telling whoppers like you're presuming, a whole lot of people would know. He is a good reporter on rhododendrons; I'd turn to him in an instant for any rhody puzzle or problem I was having; his knowledge is worthy of respect. The effect of salt on 95% of rhody & azalea varieties is not rare information from some loon pretending to have been to Scotland as you seem to be imagining. Whereas, if what you have posited were true, then all unlikely things are likewise true & the moon really is made of cheese. What Stephen asserts is that none of these gardens grow rhodies or azaleas near the open sea or on beaches. That's not the same as claiming the sea can't be seen from anywhere from any high hilltop, which seems to be your gambit for denying the reality that the genus rhododendron is simply & factually extremely salt sensitive. I'll assume you're mistaking hilltops in view of the sea for saltmarshes or beeches, as I refuse to believe you'd lie outright. Stephen's quote from the Inverewe Garden brochure about their troubles with the "curse of the salt spray" still stands as Inverewe's own testimony on that topic. In fact the methods by which Inverewe gardens protect rhodies from salt air are famous & imitated by large scale landscapers. Stephen never said Inverewe was not near sal****er; he said correctly that the garden admits to having problems due to this location, & his statements are not rendered incorrect by you misrepresenting what he said. Unless you're speaking of R. pontus exclusively, these shrubs cannot be used as windbreaks against salt winds as you posit, indeed the opposite of what you describe was done by Osgood Mackenzie at Inverewe. He built walled terraces to protect against sea winds, & planted Pinus scandinavius specifically as windbreaks to protect the Inverewe rhododendron collection from salt winds. And you can't possibly believe Benmore Botanical Gardens' woodland rhodies are growing in a salt environment. Their rhody collection occurs mainly in two parts of the park by their own descriptions as far from sal****er as they could be placed -- one is imbedded in the center of the park maximumly protected from salt breezes. The other is on a hillside protected from wind by both the hill & a forest. So rather than telling Stephen to get out his atlas, perhaps you should get out your Benmore Gardens map & look where the rhody gardens really have been placed. Likewise the Royal Botanic Garden of Edinburgh doesn't grow rhodies by the sea, & you noting Edinburg itself is a seaport doesn't mean that from the highest hill to the most distant corner it is one big saltmarsh beloved by rhodies, & Stephen's statements still stand while yours seem odd. I could as easily point out that in my port town -- with naval ships big enough to not scare Bagdad -- is in the heart of one of the world's great rhododendron capitals therefore rhodies love salt. But the reality is our famed rhodies aren't grown on sound-front properties without major sheltering mechanisms, or they die immediately. If you study those gardens at Benmore & Inverewe & the RBG more closely I'm sure you'll make out how the rhodies are protected -- at Benmore in particuolar the landscaping is designed to protect them from salt winds. It's not always successful alas. It may be too subtle for you to have realized at first glance how it's arranged, but once it's pointed out it'll be obvious. I'm not quite sure why you're so insistant rhodies will grow in salt. Go dump a bag of salt around the roots of your rhodies & see how long they last! About the only rhodies that ever establish in nearly saltmarsh or beach conditions are R. pontus & R. macrophyllum & even they have their limitations. Among azaleas the Satsuki, Gumpo, & Indica varieties are moderately salt tolerant, not strongly so, but if you honest-to-crap see an azalea thriving in sea wind, assess the variety before deciding all or most such shrubs would therefore do fine in a radically inappropriate location. My county, on a penninsula with scores of sal****er inlets & an enormous sal****er canal along the full length of one side of the county & the sound along the entire other side, would probably look like familiar country to you, very much like around Argyle or similar places you'd know well. A lighthouse near us is surrounded by an abandoned rugosa plantation dating to when the hips were still basic grocery store produce -- impenetrable jungle of rugosas flat at beech level where every year they are well-salted by autumn & winter storms. Not one rhody survives there -- not even the famously salt-tolerant wild coast rhody because there is no high ground for them to get above the salt. We are surrounded by sal****er, yet the county is famous for its azaleas. The rich folks who live right on the beaches, howevre, have to grow rugosa roses & suchlike, forgoing our famous rhodies. Nearby Seabeck Park right on the salt Canal is famous for its wild rhodies -- it'd probably look like Scotland to you & you'd probably be thinking all those rhodies are growing in the salt air. But once you leave the hilltop & get down to sea level, the rhodies disappear. They vastly prefer woodland edges with a forest between them & the beaches so they are packed one beside the other on the roadsides but not at the edges of the beech -- despite that they'd have a better chance of making it than just about any other species or cultivar. -paggers -- Get your Paghat the Ratgirl T-Shirt he http://www.paghat.com/giftshop.html "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot." -Thomas Jefferson |
Since the variety of azalea was never mentioned, there may be some hope.
Plants which are lime tolerant tend to be more salt tolerance. Southern Indica Azaleas such as Formosa, G.G. Gebring, and George Tabor are considered moderately salt tolerant. This means the plants tolerant of moderate levels of salt spray, such as that received in landscapes adjacent to the beach front, but which are sheltered by other plants, structures or natural dunes. However most azaleas and rhododendrons are not tolerant of salt. -- Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA USA http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman |
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In article , Janet Baraclough
wrote: If you study those gardens at Benmore & Inverewe & the RBG more closely I'm sure you'll make out how the rhodies are protected -- at Benmore in particuolar the landscaping is designed to protect them from salt winds. It's mainly designed, to protect them from high wind, which would wreak havoc with the large-leaved kinds. There's no escaping salt anywhere around the Scottish seabord, it lashes down in the very heavy winter rainfall blasting in from the Atlantic. That's not what Mackenzie himself claimed to have done; he landscaped to protect the rhodies from salt air, the opposite of your claim that the rhodies themselves were planted as barriers to salt air. Mackenzie was very clear that his design was to protect salt-sensitive plants like the rhody collection from the salt winds. Insisting he didn't do what he explicitly did do suggests a grave disrespect for those who brought world-famous gardens into existence. Save your patronage, Jessica. This is a small country, I've visited all those gardens countless times, I work in two of them for the body that owns and runs four of them. In leaping to the indefensible you have only exhibited your own ignorance of Scottish gardens, climate and topography. Well, that's understandable from someone in America who has never seen the gardens she speaks of. I only read about such distant gardens & their designers but I do tend to believe what the landscapers & growers say about their own work & intentions, which in this case are in conflict with much of what you've written in the weirdly extreme claims that rhodies in Scotland thrive in salty environments. Peter Cox who HAS been to every one of these gardens & also stood in rhody gardens in my neck of the woods as well as in new zealand & japan & elsewhere, so if there was a magical difference about rhodiesin Scotland thriving in conditions that kill them everywhere else, he'd know about it. I have only admiration for those who did or are doing the actual work, whether it is Scottish island specialists in miniature rhodies who stick to dwarf varieties because they have to protect them inside buildings, or major public gardens whose designers & caretakers themselves lament the threat salt air poses any part of their collection insufficiently protected from ocean or sea. You'd be surprised how tight the international rhody community is, & just about every time I am hanging out in some rhody garden with activists in our internationally famed Rhododendron Species Foundation or the nearby Poulsbo or Gig Harbor chapters of the Rhododendron Society, someone mentions some Scot who has provided seeds for something or developed some new dwarf cultivar. There is no magic difference between the rhodies grown around Puget Sound & those grown in Scotland. They fail in persistantly salty winds no matter which side of the world they're grown on. That fact has to be overcome & only then does the west coast of Britain & Scotland become second only to my region of the Pacific Northwest as ideal rhododendron country. Since my own penninsular Kitsap County riddled with salt inlets rather than lochs, & adjacent Island County, are in many ways very much like Scotland, what the Scottish rhody specialists & garden designers report sounds totally sane & familiar & more easily accepted as truth than your claim that in Scotland rhodies are planted as salt air barriers & all the rhodies there like all the windows of Edinburgh must be coated in salt. And you could be strapping on a dildo to fudgepack what you liken "owners" of public or National Trust gardens, that wouldn't make your bold assertion more likely, that in Scotland rhody hedges are planted to serve as salt air barriers. Stephen's been there & knows you're fibbing; but nobody needs to go there to know you're fibbing, no more than if I asserted Pacific Salamanders live in the Pacific Ocean needs to be believed until you come here & check it out for yourself. Not possible, doesn't happen, they'd be dead. My own home is a fifteen minute walk from uphill from Puget Sound & we have a gorgeous view of Sinclair Inslet & Mount Rainier beyond. And we have seasonal storms at hurricane speeds. And we have great luck with our rhodies. That's because the salt cannot & does not reach the hilltop where rhodies thrive, but down at the bottom of the slope those folks have to settle for buddleia butterfly bushes & salt tolerant roses because the seasonal dousing of salt spray does indeed kill rhodies. The nature of rhodies is not only the same here as in Scotland, often the seedstocks & the varieties are identical having been traded between our rhody societies & the Foundation & the equivalent organizations in Scotland. Less so from an American who claims to have visited them. You seem to be exhibiting Scottish Faery Logic. In your present state of mind you construct a world view wherein Stephen can't possibly know what the gardens are like because he HAS been to them, whereas I can't possibly know because I have only read about them & their designers & looked at pritty peektures. If nobody but you can know anything about these places whether or not they've been there, it's no wonder your impressions vary so much even from Mackenzie's -- as even those who laid 'em out can't possibly know a thing about what they succeeded at doing. Your repeat insistance that Stephen only "claims" to have been where he went suggests that you expect people on these topics to be liars even without basis for what sounds like an awfully malicious assumption on your part. It makes me question YOUR claims of having done everything but fudgepack the "owners" of public gardens, because people who expect everyone else to be lying their asses off tend to be assessing others by their own behavior, being immune to objective evidence. But even if you had fudgepacked the "owners" of National Trust gardens, that is not a basis of knowledge or accurate observation. I wish you could AT LEAST let go of the cheapness of telling a chap recently back from Scotland he's never been there, as I hate to think you really could be the sort of person so steeped in dishonesty that you expect the same sorts of lying from others. I know a great deal about rhodies but if Stephen asserted something new to me, I'd take it seriously, as he knows much more than I. Or you. Oso it's not "patronage" to stick up for him; he & I have mutual acquaintances but I don't know him personally from more than this ng & am not his friend or patron, I know & like him no more or less than I know or like you. I do know he knows what he's talking about, & it's curious to me you want to be remain blind to some pretty reasonable expertise. Btw, "beech" is a tree; the sandy place next to sea is spelled "beach". The rhododendron you refer to as "pontus", is "ponticum". And originally from the Pontus so also called Pontus Rhododendrons. But when you reduce yourself to a spell flamer that's just despurate. -paggers -- Get your Paghat the Ratgirl T-Shirt he http://www.paghat.com/giftshop.html "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot." -Thomas Jefferson |
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Janet Baraclough
wrote: The message from (paghat) contains these words: You seem to be exhibiting Scottish Faery Logic. In your present state of mind you construct a world view wherein Stephen can't possibly know what the gardens are like because he HAS been to them, Stephen has already demonstrated that he doesn't actually know the location of the gardens he says he visited. He went to great lengths to pretend they are not beside the sea. Anyone interested can look up those gardens, and their detailed location maps, and see for themselves.They can also re-read the thread and count the number of times you falsely imputed claims to me, which I did not make, and descended to your usual sexual vulgarities to discredit my simple statement of facts. Such tactics only discredit yourself Janet 1) You can *talk* to children and explain the problem to them. You cannot talk to a dog, and you cannot talk to most dog owners who would let their dog **** on your lawn. If they knew it was wrong, they'd put a stop to it without being asked. 2) In some locales, including mine, it is legal to terminate a dog that's damaging a food-producing garden. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
Janet Baraclough wrote:
paghat wrote: You seem to be exhibiting Scottish Faery Logic. In your present state of mind you construct a world view wherein Stephen can't possibly know what the gardens are like because he HAS been to them, Stephen has already demonstrated that he doesn't actually know the location of the gardens he says he visited. He went to great lengths to pretend they are not beside the sea. Anyone interested can look up those gardens, and their detailed location maps, and see for themselves.They can also re-read the thread and count the number of times you falsely imputed claims to me, which I did not make, and descended to your usual sexual vulgarities to discredit my simple statement of facts. Such tactics only discredit yourself Gosh. Who to believe? The rhody expert and the gardener who does her research, or the woman who insists they wrong about everything because she believes that anything within a half-hour drive of the sea is by the sea? Yes, anyone who has followed this thread does know who has discredited themselves. Give it a rest. -- Warren H. ========== Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife. Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants to go outside now. Have an outdoor project? Get a Black & Decker power tool:: http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blackanddecker/ |
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from "Warren" contains these words: Janet Baraclough wrote: paghat wrote: You seem to be exhibiting Scottish Faery Logic. In your present state of mind you construct a world view wherein Stephen can't possibly know what the gardens are like because he HAS been to them, Stephen has already demonstrated that he doesn't actually know the location of the gardens he says he visited. He went to great lengths to pretend they are not beside the sea. Anyone interested can look up those gardens, and their detailed location maps, and see for themselves.They can also re-read the thread and count the number of times you falsely imputed claims to me, which I did not make, and descended to your usual sexual vulgarities to discredit my simple statement of facts. Such tactics only discredit yourself Gosh. Who to believe? The rhody expert and the gardener who does her research, or the woman who insists they wrong about everything because she believes that anything within a half-hour drive of the sea is by the sea? Clearly you didn't bother to look up the maps. Janet. Janet |
On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 14:42:10 GMT, "Cereus-validus......."
wrote: I said Rhododendrons not Rhododentrons!!!! wonder why spell check didn't catch that. I grew up thinking they were roto-dendrons. they still represent, to me, what a Rhododendron should look like |
Janet Baraclough ranted:
Garbage. If you were ever here, you never looked at a map. Stephen has already demonstrated that he doesn't actually know the location of the gardens he says he visited. He went to great lengths to pretend they are not beside the sea. Anyone interested can look up those gardens, and their detailed location maps, and see for themselves. The Botanic Gardens is about 500 yards from the sea. You are very vague about what you call near the sea, and very inaccurate in your estimates. To be more precise: RBG of Edinburgh, 1.5 miles from the firth of Forth, not very close. Glendoick Gardens, 1.8 miles from the firth of Tay, even further. Branklyn Garden, 3 miles from the firth of Tay, much further. Invereww Gardens, 100 meters from Loch Ewe, close. Arduaine Gardens, borders the Sound of Jura at one point, but no rhodies there, very close. Younger Botanic Garden (Benmore), 2 miles from Holy Loch, not the least bit close. Crarae Gardens, 1000 feet from Loch Fyne, not very close. Brodick Castle & Gardens runs down to about 100 meters from the firth of Clyde, quite close. None of these gardens is "on a high hilltop", and I have not claimed they are. The opposite is the case. Inverewe, Arduaine, Edinburgh, Benmore and Brodick are all at sea level.Stephen repeatedly claimed they are "not beside the sea" and actually lied about the location of Arduaine which he claims is at Inverary. None are at sea level or they would disappear at the highest tides. Inverewe Gardens is the most exposed to the sea. Arduaine Gardens in on a 239 ft. high slope of An Cnap overlooking the Sound of Jura seimi-sheltered to the west by the 300 ft. tall Luing and Garvellachs. The RBGE has an elevation of 134 meters. Younter Botanic Garden at Benmore features a 450 foot high view point. Brodick Castle & Gardens is situated on a sheltered plateau above the firth of Clyde, but the gardens extend down near the highway along the shore. And Arduaine Gardens is not very near any place, but it is 16 mi. west of Inveraray (43 mi. by road) & 20 mi. south of Oban, so Inveraray is closest to Inveraray (not Inverary) if you look at a map. West Scotland's salt-laden coast is famous for its rhododendron gardens . How can areas with 60 to 90 inches of annual rainfall be salt laden?!?!?! Inverewe Gardens, main rainfall 64 in. Arduaine Gardens, mean rainfall 60 in. Younger Botanic Gardens at Benmore, mean rainfall 90 in. Crarae Gardens, mean rainfall 60 in. Brodick Castle & Gardens, mean rainfall 80 in. We're not talking "salt breezes". Scotland is a narrow patch of land beside 3000 miles of ocean; winds are ferocious here especially in the west. 70 mph is commonplace and 100 mph not exceptional. Every one of these gardens has some protection from the prevailing westerly winds: The RBGE is 1.5 miles inland and 134 m. high and nestled amongst large trees. Glendoick Gardens is 1.8 miles inland and nestled amongst large trees. Branklyn Garden is 3 miles inland and nestled amongst large trees. Inverewe Gardens (NT) the rhododendrons and azaleas are grown amongst large trees in areas naturally sheltered behind "wind- and salt-barriers" of Griselinia littoralis and other plants about 100 m from the Southern tip of Loch Ewe where it is nestled. Arduaine Gardens is nestled amongst large trees near the Sound of Jura but is elevated and slightly shelterd from the westerly winds by the 300 ft tall Luing and Garvellachs. Younger Botanic Gardens at Benmore is 2 miles from the sea and nestled amongst large trees. It is elevated and has much protection to the west. Crarae Gardens is protected from the westerly winds on the east side of a hillside nestled amongst large trees and is situated about 1000 feet from Loch Fyne. Brodick Castle & Gardens is protected from the westerly winds by the 3,866 foot tall Goatfell. Stephen repeatedly claimed they are "not beside the sea" and actually lied about the location of Arduaine which he claims is at Inverary. Wow, such an unfriendly accusation. PS It is Inveraray that is in Argyll. -- Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to Visit my Rhododendron and Azalea web pages at: http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman/rhody.html Also visit the Rhododendron and Azalea Bookstore at: http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman/rhodybooks.html Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA USA Zone 6 |
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from Stephen Henning contains these words: To be more precise: Here's an example of your "precision": Brodick Castle & Gardens runs down to about 100 meters from the firth of Clyde, quite close. Brodick Castle & Gardens is situated on a sheltered plateau above the firth of Clyde, but the gardens extend down near the highway along the shore. You don't seem to know which, do you? Here's a picture; the garden is below the castle and adjoins the sea http://www.arransites.co.uk/images/bro_castle2.jpg The "highway", is a narrow road, immediately adjoining the sea. It's just wide enough for two vehicles to pass each other.The oldest and most famous rhododendron area called the Planthunter's Walk, is at the bottom of the garden alongside the road from which it's separated by a metal rail. last year we spent weeks cutting year back rhododendrons overhanging that rail and obstructing the narrow road. On the other side of the narrow road, literally, is the sea. Salt water, tidal, with seals, the occasional whale, shark, submarine etc. And Arduaine Gardens is not very near any place, but it is 16 mi. west of Inveraray (43 mi. by road) & 20 mi. south of Oban, so Inveraray is closest to Inveraray (not Inverary) if you look at a map. Very precise; but unfortunately, meaningless. West Scotland's salt-laden coast is famous for its rhododendron gardens . How can areas with 60 to 90 inches of annual rainfall be salt laden?!?!?! The rain, and wind, come from 300 miles of Atlantic ocean and are heavily salt-laden. Brodick Castle & Gardens is protected from the westerly winds by the 3,866 foot tall Goatfell. Wrong. Goatfell is 2866 ft tall and lies directly north of the castle and gardens; so does not protect them from the prevailing wind, which is from the south-west. Because Brodick Castle is so exposed to the wind, it's the site of weather station for the Meteorological Office. Janet |
In article , Janet Baraclough
wrote: The rain, and wind, come from 300 miles of Atlantic ocean and are heavily salt-laden. Next you'll be asserting water can be lit on fire! Salt is NOT evaporated into clouds & precipitation NEVER salinizes soils. Scotland is almost as good as the Pacific Northwest for rhodies because they require acidic soils & areas of heavy rainfall wash salts OUT of the soil which results in acidity. In LOW-preciptation regions soils become saline. And rhododendrons will no longer grow. And also as in the Pacific Northwest rhodies can be grown just about anywhere in Scotland EXCEPT along salty shores or saltmarshes. Your insistance to the contrary only works if the fairies are busily trumping science with their lovely magic spells. So you really might as well be repeatedly posting personal testimonies on how you can too set fire to H20. In Scotland saline garden soils are caused by immediate proximity to shores or lochs, from irrigation gotten from brackish groundwater of the lochs, & from chemicalized agricultural methods. If you can cite something factual & scientific as evidence that the Atlantic ocean leaps up & jumps 300 miles inland, cite that wondrous evidence that rainfall occurs differently in Scotland than in any other place on Earth. But please, no more of these fairytales about your allegedly busy life spent in all the gardens of scotland where every raincloud brings an imaginary salty deluge that delights those fairy-rhododendrons magically grown as barriers against the sea. I'm beginning to suspect you never leave the house at all. The depth of your current devotion to a bunch of nonsense really should be beneath you. -paghat the ratgirl -- Get your Paghat the Ratgirl T-Shirt he http://www.paghat.com/giftshop.html "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot." -Thomas Jefferson |
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from Stephen Henning contains these words: RBG of Edinburgh, 1.5 miles from the firth of Forth, not very close. The RBGE has an elevation of 134 meters. Younter Botanic Garden at Benmore features a 450 foot high view point. And the YBG garden goes down to 15m above the sea. RBGE is on a raised beach a few hundred yards from the sea at Leith (an Edinburgh port). The elevation is 20 to 40 m, not 134 m as you claim. Figures from their own website below. www.rbge.org.uk/rbge/web/hort/four.jsp http://www.nts.org.uk/web/site/home/...056&NavId=5110 is a map showing the garden's true location at the edge of the water, NOT as you claim "Crarae Gardens, 1000 feet from Loch Fyne, not very close".. http://www.nts.org.uk/web/site/home/...053&NavId=5110 gives a map of Arduaine Garden, right on the coast and a maximum 100 ft above sealevel, NOT 239 ft as you claim. The websites quoted belong to the Royal Botanical gardens (owners of Benmore and Edinburgh Botanical Garden) and The National Trust for Scotland, owners of Arduaine, Inverewe and Crarae. http://www.nts.org.uk/web/site/home/...103&NavId=5122 for sea-location of Inverewe azaleas in flower by the sea at Inverewe. http://www.gardens-guide.com/gardenp...0_inverewe.jpg Janet. |
When you argue with fools bystanders can't tell you apart.
Azalea and every ericacious plant I have thusfar encountered will not grow submerged in seawater. 15M would not be under the sea in a storm surge, if it was it would have been washed out to sea. A little salt spray? perhaps with adequate rainfall to leach it out, otherwise no go. |
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from (paghat) contains these words: In article , Janet Baraclough wrote: The rain, and wind, come from 300 miles of Atlantic ocean and are heavily salt-laden. Next you'll be asserting water can be lit on fire! Salt is NOT evaporated into clouds & precipitation NEVER salinizes soils. Wrong. http://agspsrv34.agric.wa.gov.au/env...#salt%20source I haven't said Scottish soil is saline. It clearly isn't because it's fertile. However, plants (and everything else) are constantly salted-upon, because of weather conditions here. Because of the high rainfall, salt doesn't accumulate to a harmful degree as it does in dry climates like Australia's; but seasalt rain does contribute to our acid-rain problems. Scotland is almost as good as the Pacific Northwest for rhodies because they require acidic soils & areas of heavy rainfall wash salts OUT of the soil which results in acidity. In LOW-preciptation regions soils become saline. And rhododendrons will no longer grow. I haven't claimed the soil is saline. The original post to which I replied, said that ericaceous plants do not grow beside the sea. They do, here. And also as in the Pacific Northwest rhodies can be grown just about anywhere in Scotland EXCEPT along salty shores or saltmarshes. Wrong. There are many parts of Scotland where they can't grow. They do grow along the west coast shore. Perhaps your personal understanding of "shore" is limited; not all shores and seabords are sand beach or saltmarsh. In Scotland saline garden soils are caused by immediate proximity to shores or lochs, from irrigation gotten from brackish groundwater of the lochs, & from chemicalized agricultural methods. What saline soils? You clearly know nothing of gardening, irrigation or agriculture in Scotland. If you can cite something factual & scientific as evidence that the Atlantic ocean leaps up & jumps 300 miles inland, No part of Scotland is more than 40 miles from the sea. (There is no "300 miles inland", anywhere in Britain.). Salt blows in, on wind and rain, during storms. But please, no more of these fairytales about your allegedly busy life spent in all the gardens of scotland That fairy tale is your own. Look up the websites in my post to Stephen, he has misled you. Janet. |
Janet Baraclough wrote:
The rain, and wind, come from 300 miles of Atlantic ocean and are heavily salt-laden. Next you'll be asserting water can be lit on fire! Salt is NOT evaporated into clouds & precipitation NEVER salinizes soils. Wrong. http://agspsrv34.agric.wa.gov.au/env...#salt%20source If what you got out of that page is that salt can be evaporated into the clouds, and that rain in coastal areas contains salt, then we can clearly see how little you understand about even the most simple science. The bottom line is rhodies will not grow in a saline environment, no matter how much you want to argue with the experts. And the gardens you are using as proof that the experts are wrong all work hard to protect their rhodies from the saline that could otherwise easily create problems. You can stop trying to be right. You can stop trying to prove that accepted science is wrong. Every time you post, you demonstrate how little you know, and how difficult of a time you have dealing with being wrong. Save us all the pain of watching you dig yourself deeper and deeper into your pit of humiliation. Stop now, because you obviously don't have the temperament to deal with any further embarrassment. -- Warren H. ========== Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife. Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants to go outside now. Have an outdoor project? Get a Black & Decker power tool:: http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blackanddecker/ |
Warren, you're not as informed as you think you are.
http://landresources.montana.edu/LRE...stry_Web.pd f According to the site above, from University of Montana, the composition of rainfall is nearly identical to seawater with some additional molecules picked up in the atmosphere. Furthermore, rainfall is NEVER simple H20 - because it also picks up many gases that are present in the atmosphere and transports them. However, more pertinent to the ongoing argument is the fact that strong winds (as in hurricane or near-hurricane force winds) which Scotland is subject to every year,send salt spray MILES inland - not a few feet, or even a few hundred feet. This can be verified in any google search. I think that the issue has been clouded by all this talk about what hits the leaves of the plants. It is clear that the initial post had to do with what happened at the ROOTS of the plants in question. It is VERY evident that rhododendrons cannot have their roots soaked in salt water that sits on them. Constant movement of water through the root zone will wash the salts through them or out of them - but it has to be water that is relatively low in salts, and the plants have to have excellent drainage. A plant sitting in a low spot with salt water swirling around its base is a goner - no question. A plant on a hillside hit with a strong blast of very salty water but subsequently flushed with plenty of water that moves through and out of the root zone will probably be fine. Janet is not claiming that Scottish rhododendrons are living in salt marshes. What she IS claiming is that they live in rather close proximity to the sea in rather salty environments in Scotland - albeit in regions of very high rainfall. "Warren" wrote in message ... Janet Baraclough wrote: The rain, and wind, come from 300 miles of Atlantic ocean and are heavily salt-laden. Next you'll be asserting water can be lit on fire! Salt is NOT evaporated into clouds & precipitation NEVER salinizes soils. Wrong. http://agspsrv34.agric.wa.gov.au/env...#salt%20source If what you got out of that page is that salt can be evaporated into the clouds, and that rain in coastal areas contains salt, then we can clearly see how little you understand about even the most simple science. The bottom line is rhodies will not grow in a saline environment, no matter how much you want to argue with the experts. And the gardens you are using as proof that the experts are wrong all work hard to protect their rhodies from the saline that could otherwise easily create problems. You can stop trying to be right. You can stop trying to prove that accepted science is wrong. Every time you post, you demonstrate how little you know, and how difficult of a time you have dealing with being wrong. Save us all the pain of watching you dig yourself deeper and deeper into your pit of humiliation. Stop now, because you obviously don't have the temperament to deal with any further embarrassment. -- Warren H. ========== Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife. Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants to go outside now. Have an outdoor project? Get a Black & Decker power tool:: http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blackanddecker/ |
A further elaboration of the theme of the chemical composition of rainfall:
"What is a chemical salt recipe for 'typical' rainwater? Rainwater gets its compositions largely by dissolving particulate materials in the atmosphere (upper troposhere) when droplets of water nucleate on atmospheric particulates, and secondarily by dissolving gasses from the atmosphere. Rainwater compositions vary geographically. In open ocean and coastal areas they have a salt content essentially like that of sea water (same ionic proportions but much more dilute) plus CO2 as bicarbonate anion (acidic pH). Terrestrial rain compositions vary siginificantly from place to place because the regional geology can greatly affect the types of particulates that get added to the atmosphere. Likewise, sources of gaesous acids (SO3, NO2) and bases (NH3) vary as a function of biome factors and anthopogenic land use practices. Each of these gasses can be added in varying proportions from natural and non natural input sources (non-natural sources of SO3 and NO2 far outweigh natural ones). Particulate load to the atmosphere can also be greatly affected by human activities. Finally, local climate (especially the amount of precipitation in one area compared to another) will affect the solute concentrations in terrestrial rainwaters. The result is highly variable compositions, so there isn't one simple formula. If you want to read up a bit on this and see data for rainwater from many different locales globally, I suggest the book "Global Environment: water air and geochemical cycles" by Berner and Berner (Prentice-Hall, 1996) or a similar text " "presley" wrote in message ... Warren, you're not as informed as you think you are. http://landresources.montana.edu/LRE...stry_Web.pd f According to the site above, from University of Montana, the composition of rainfall is nearly identical to seawater with some additional molecules picked up in the atmosphere. Furthermore, rainfall is NEVER simple H20 - because it also picks up many gases that are present in the atmosphere and transports them. However, more pertinent to the ongoing argument is the fact that strong winds (as in hurricane or near-hurricane force winds) which Scotland is subject to every year,send salt spray MILES inland - not a few feet, or even a few hundred feet. This can be verified in any google search. I think that the issue has been clouded by all this talk about what hits the leaves of the plants. It is clear that the initial post had to do with what happened at the ROOTS of the plants in question. It is VERY evident that rhododendrons cannot have their roots soaked in salt water that sits on them. Constant movement of water through the root zone will wash the salts through them or out of them - but it has to be water that is relatively low in salts, and the plants have to have excellent drainage. A plant sitting in a low spot with salt water swirling around its base is a goner - no question. A plant on a hillside hit with a strong blast of very salty water but subsequently flushed with plenty of water that moves through and out of the root zone will probably be fine. Janet is not claiming that Scottish rhododendrons are living in salt marshes. What she IS claiming is that they live in rather close proximity to the sea in rather salty environments in Scotland - albeit in regions of very high rainfall. "Warren" wrote in message ... Janet Baraclough wrote: The rain, and wind, come from 300 miles of Atlantic ocean and are heavily salt-laden. Next you'll be asserting water can be lit on fire! Salt is NOT evaporated into clouds & precipitation NEVER salinizes soils. Wrong. http://agspsrv34.agric.wa.gov.au/env...#salt%20source If what you got out of that page is that salt can be evaporated into the clouds, and that rain in coastal areas contains salt, then we can clearly see how little you understand about even the most simple science. The bottom line is rhodies will not grow in a saline environment, no matter how much you want to argue with the experts. And the gardens you are using as proof that the experts are wrong all work hard to protect their rhodies from the saline that could otherwise easily create problems. You can stop trying to be right. You can stop trying to prove that accepted science is wrong. Every time you post, you demonstrate how little you know, and how difficult of a time you have dealing with being wrong. Save us all the pain of watching you dig yourself deeper and deeper into your pit of humiliation. Stop now, because you obviously don't have the temperament to deal with any further embarrassment. -- Warren H. ========== Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife. Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants to go outside now. Have an outdoor project? Get a Black & Decker power tool:: http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blackanddecker/ |
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from "Warren" contains these words: Janet Baraclough wrote: The rain, and wind, come from 300 miles of Atlantic ocean and are heavily salt-laden. Next you'll be asserting water can be lit on fire! Salt is NOT evaporated into clouds & precipitation NEVER salinizes soils. Wrong. http://agspsrv34.agric.wa.gov.au/env...#salt%20source If what you got out of that page is that salt can be evaporated into the clouds, and that rain in coastal areas contains salt, then we can clearly see how little you understand about even the most simple science. You're incompetent. That page makes it perfectly clear; quote *"Where does the salt come from? *Soil salt can come from three main sources: * 1. From the breakdown of parent rock: A very slow process. * 2. From geological inundation by the oceans: Only on discrete parts of Australia. * 3. From wind blown salt, usually in rain water from the ocean. *Salt in rainfall can range from about 20 kg/ha/per annum (usually inland with low rainfall) to more *than 200 kg/ha/per annum (usually coastal with high rainfall). In most of Australia, this is the source *of stored salts. " end quote. Presley has given another cite telling you the same thing. You can stop trying to be right. You can stop trying to prove that accepted science is wrong. Every time you post, you demonstrate how little you know, and how difficult of a time you have dealing with being wrong. Save us all the pain of watching you dig yourself deeper and deeper into your pit of humiliation. Stop now, because you obviously don't have the temperament to deal with any further embarrassment. I suggest you apply that to yourself, Stephen and Paghat. You jumped on the wrong bandwagon, Warren; your heroes are not the experts they pretend and now you've been hoist on their own petard of lies and deliberate misrepresentations. Janet. |
Janet Baraclough wrote:
I suggest you apply that to yourself, Stephen and Paghat. You jumped on the wrong bandwagon, Warren; your heroes are not the experts they pretend and now you've been hoist on their own petard of lies and deliberate misrepresentations. Okay. You win. Azaleas will thrive in salty conditions. I'm ready to go out and pour salt water on all my azaleas based on your convincing arguments. But just in case you're wrong, I'll wait until you put your money where your mouth is, and agree to pay for replacements if you turn out to be wrong. Thank goodness you pointed out how everyone else lies so much, otherwise I'd never realize that you're the only generous who really knows how to grow azaleas! -- Warren H. ========== Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife. Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants to go outside now. Have an outdoor project? Get a Black & Decker power tool:: http://www.holzemville.com/mall/blackanddecker/ |
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from "Warren" contains these words: Thank goodness you pointed out how everyone else lies so much, otherwise I'd never realize that you're the only generous who really knows how to grow azaleas! There's another of your lies, Warren. I haven't said *everyone* else lies. You do, clearly. I don't, and neither did Soo, Charles, and Presley in this thread. Janet |
"presley" wrote:
Warren, you're not as informed as you think you are. http://landresources.montana.edu/LRE...pic%20B2_Part1 _Solution_Chemistry_Web.pdf According to the site above, from University of Montana, the composition of rainfall is nearly identical to seawater with some additional molecules picked up in the atmosphere. Let's see now: 1) People drink rain water, especially on ocean islands where there is no other fresh water, are very healthy. 2) People who drink sea water die. and you claim that they are the same. I hope you don't try to drink sea water. -- Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA USA http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman |
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