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Is it OK to put dog poop on a garden?
I am trying to settle an argument with someone that says you can and
even thinks it stupid if people don't. Any opinions either way? |
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Is it OK to put dog poop on a garden?
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On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:11:43 GMT, Big Daddy wrote: I am trying to settle an argument with someone that says you can and even thinks it stupid if people don't. Any opinions either way? Carnivorous animal feces should not be added to a garden nor compost. It could contain harmful pathogens. I know someone who added dog feces to an area that grew spearmint, but they did not use the spearmint for consumption. Rather than adding to a compost pile, you could probably safely add it to a "digester," which can take oils, meat, and other things not normally suited for a compost pile. |
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Is it OK to put dog poop on a garden?
No fresh poop is good because it will burn the plants. Manure needs to be
aged so the ammonia is gone. Jane "Big Daddy" wrote in message ... I am trying to settle an argument with someone that says you can and even thinks it stupid if people don't. Any opinions either way? |
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Is it OK to put dog poop on a garden?
Xref: news7 rec.gardens:214262
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:11:43 GMT, Big Daddy wrote: I am trying to settle an argument with someone that says you can and even thinks it stupid if people don't. Any opinions either way? Carnivorous animal feces should not be added to a garden nor compost. It could contain harmful pathogens. I know someone who added dog feces to an area that grew spearmint, but they did not use the spearmint for consumption. Rather than adding to a compost pile, you could probably safely add it to a "digester," which can take oils, meat, and other things not normally suited for a compost pile. |
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Is it OK to put dog poop on a garden?
No fresh poop is good because it will burn the plants. Manure needs to be
aged so the ammonia is gone. Jane "Big Daddy" wrote in message ... I am trying to settle an argument with someone that says you can and even thinks it stupid if people don't. Any opinions either way? |
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Is it OK to put dog poop on a garden?
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Daddy wrote: I am trying to settle an argument with someone that says you can and even thinks it stupid if people don't. Any opinions either way? Controled experiments have found dog poo heats rapidly, composts completely, leaves no potentially harmful pathogens behind. As for putting it fresh & yucky right in the garden, there are indeed many potential pathogens one might be exposed to, the more harmful if if one doesn't follow normal hygienic practices after gardening. But at worst, it's no more dangerous than living with an animal that poops in the yard & scrapes its bum across the living room carpet & licks peanut butter sandwich particles right into the kids' mouths. The hysterics one occasionally hears about composted poo of carniverous beasties isn't 100% baseless, but certainly exaggerated to the point of superstition -- for what risk does exist will always be considerably less than just petting the dog.There are in fact so many illnesses that dogs spread to humans it's a wonder the worry-warts ever have a pet, & they should also stop gardening & wrap themselves up in sterilized bubblewrap, since every year quite a few people, generally elderly with no tetanus shots in 20 years, get blood poisoning & die just from gardening in wholesome soil. If people wanna worry about stuff that'll make 'em sick up to & including dropping dead, they should start with their fat & sugar intake, not with the possibility that their habit of juggling rubber dog doodies might cause them to accidentally grab a couple fistfuls of actual dogshit. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
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Is it OK to put dog poop on a garden?
In article , Big
Daddy wrote: I am trying to settle an argument with someone that says you can and even thinks it stupid if people don't. Any opinions either way? Controled experiments have found dog poo heats rapidly, composts completely, leaves no potentially harmful pathogens behind. As for putting it fresh & yucky right in the garden, there are indeed many potential pathogens one might be exposed to, the more harmful if if one doesn't follow normal hygienic practices after gardening. But at worst, it's no more dangerous than living with an animal that poops in the yard & scrapes its bum across the living room carpet & licks peanut butter sandwich particles right into the kids' mouths. The hysterics one occasionally hears about composted poo of carniverous beasties isn't 100% baseless, but certainly exaggerated to the point of superstition -- for what risk does exist will always be considerably less than just petting the dog.There are in fact so many illnesses that dogs spread to humans it's a wonder the worry-warts ever have a pet, & they should also stop gardening & wrap themselves up in sterilized bubblewrap, since every year quite a few people, generally elderly with no tetanus shots in 20 years, get blood poisoning & die just from gardening in wholesome soil. If people wanna worry about stuff that'll make 'em sick up to & including dropping dead, they should start with their fat & sugar intake, not with the possibility that their habit of juggling rubber dog doodies might cause them to accidentally grab a couple fistfuls of actual dogshit. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
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Carnivore and omnivore feces contain heavy metals. (mercury etc.) The metals
will transfer from your soil to your plants. When you eat these plants the metals will collect in your brain tissue and eventually cause damage. Laura B. I am trying to settle an argument with someone that says you can and even thinks it stupid if people don't. Any opinions either way? |
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Is it OK to put dog poop on a garden?
The rule of thumb that I learned about composting manure is that any animal
that is a carnivore (meat eating), do NOT use their waste on gardens or in compost. Any animal that is herbivore (plant eating), DO use in compost and gardens. I guess that's why chicken, cow, horse, etc. seems to be the poop of choice for fertilizers. Don't worry, I had a stupid neighbor argue with me that her cat poop in her gardens were fertilizing her plants. It didn't take long to see flies, maggots and dead plants. HA! Do a search on composting and manure and I bet you'll find some info on why certain animal waste is not used. Penny Zone 7b - North Carolina "Big Daddy" wrote in message ... I am trying to settle an argument with someone that says you can and even thinks it stupid if people don't. Any opinions either way? |
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Is it OK to put dog poop on a garden?
In article m, "Penny
Morgan" wrote: The rule of thumb that I learned about composting manure is that any animal that is a carnivore (meat eating), do NOT use their waste on gardens or in compost. Any animal that is herbivore (plant eating), DO use in compost and gardens. I guess that's why chicken, cow, horse, etc. seems to be the poop of choice for fertilizers. The problem of e-coli in herbivore poo & salmonella from chickenshit means it's JUST AS DANGEROUS as dog & cat poo with its potential to carry toxocara to people. Which is to say, it's not terribly dangerous if you're not sticking poo-encrusted fingers in your mouth or up your nose. These superstitions against dog & cat poo are hard to weed out of the gardening community! The distinction commonly made between carnivore poo "bad" herbivore poo "good" is completely baseless. One of the riskiest exposures is e-coli in cowpies, & salmonella in chickenshit. Well-composted shit is safe, regardless of the animal it plopped out of. Don't worry, I had a stupid neighbor argue with me that her cat poop in her gardens were fertilizing her plants. It didn't take long to see flies, maggots and dead plants. HA! Do a search on composting and manure and I bet you'll find some info on why certain animal waste is not used. Do a search on the web & you can find that black people have lower IQs than white people, that guns don't kill people, & flying saucer kidnappings are real. Most of what can be read throughout the Web on this topic is, err, crap. But this page is pretty good: http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/ga...omposting.html It notes that thermophilic activity at 130 degrees is sufficient to kill ALL pathogens in dog & cat poo, with five turns at three day intervals. This is based on actual tests at the University of Oregon. Several other univeristy websites have contrary information -- none of them did tests so just posted opinions without checking the actual studies. And of course the generic garden sites are just the lamest information imaginable, mostly rumors & myths & no facts whatsoever. The University of Oregon study showed that temperatures ROUTINELY reach a high enough temperature in any well-mixed pile, it is not the least bit difficult to do safely. Penny The credible reason to avoid fresh dog & cat feces is it carries diseases (as does herbivore poo). Yet the worries are the same as one would have from picking up your dog's poops while walking the dog (as laws require), or cleaning the catbox, which are if anything RISKIER activities. The number of POSSIBLE diseases humans can get from touching the animals themselves is so long & scary that a full accounting would probably cause some people to get rid of all their pets immediately. People who practice good family hygiene are not at much at risk. I'll repost a commentary on composting dog poo: ------- ------- MANY people compost their own dog's poo. Some people have thought there is a risk to doing this, though a much smaller risk than having a dog at all since pathogens are much more likely to be passed living animal to animal (& the dog is equally likely to get something from its human). Some have said it is best to let the turds sun-dry to kill any possible pathogenic microbes, THEN toss into the compost. Actually, as it turns out, all worries are pretty much groundless. Good composting methods DO kill pathogens in dogshit contrary to superstition. There wouldn't be a big Zoo Doo project in so many American zoos if pathogens survived the composting process for manure composts. It is not quite exactly the "heat" per se that breaks down matter in a compost, the heat is a natural by-product of the endeavorings of the bacteria, funguses & actinomycetes, the one-celled little critters & primitive plantlifes that cause the fermentation of carboyhydrates as they yum-yum-eatem-up their way through any kind of rotting matter turning it from a pile of Zoo Doo or Dog Turds into rich sweet-smelling earth. A fairly major study of this was undertaken in Alaska largely for the benifit of dog mushers, whose kennels & training farms accumulate huge dogshit piles, & wanted to know DEFINITIVELY if an almost pure dog-manure compost would be a safe, healthy, high-nutrient garden soil enrichment. Ann Rippy's Alaska study with scientific method set out to determine how great a ratio of dogshit (nitrogen source) to woodchips or shredded straw (carbon source) was most effective. The wrong mix was not necessarily any less likely to be effective, but the right ratio speeded the process along most handily. Ann Rippy found that two-thirds dogshit to one-third carbon source is best. The heat-range in the compost was somewhere around 150 degrees (130 to 170) Fahrenheit. When temperatures fell lower, "turning" or otherwise introducing oxygen to the mix got the temperature back up. This temperature is more than sufficient to kill Toxicara canis (ringworm) which is the most heat-tolerant of all pathogens ever likely to be in dogshit. It took a scant three weeks, and only two turns to keep oxygen level up, before the manure pile smelled like a perfectly sweet compost pile, I wish I could make the same claim for my compost pile which doesn't even have any shit in it. Hence Ann Rippy's study concluded: Compost from dogshit is good, safe, & healthy to use for enriching garden soil. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
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Is it OK to put dog poop on a garden?
Thalocean2 wrote:
Carnivore and omnivore feces contain heavy metals. (mercury etc.)... I don't feed my pets heavy metals, so they must be transmuting their organic food into heavy metals. Think of that! the ancient alchemists must have been looking in the wrong place if they failed to create valuable metals from dross. (PS: I'm an omnivore, so I should check my output also). On the other hand, maybe they're chewing on my car when I'm not looking. |
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Is it OK to put dog poop on a garden?
Big Daddy wrote in message ...
I am trying to settle an argument with someone that says you can and even thinks it stupid if people don't. Any opinions either way? I have been trying to convince my dogs that their feces does not belong in the garden but they just cock their heads to the side and give me dumb looks. Periodically I remove it. |
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Is it OK to put dog poop on a garden?
Everyone acts as if dog crap, or any other type of crap is toxic. Its
not. Just compost it and use it all the same. |
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